Sixers Offseason Thread Part 2

[the_process]

If the Knicks get Zion for scrubs and picks, and the Heat get Lillard for scrubs and picks... will that change Morey's mind about a rebuild? Whether or not Harden has already re-signed.

[Negrodamus]

I really can’t believe the Suns traded for Beal. They are the biggest paper dragons in NBA history I think. They really need to move Ayton and find some pieces to commit to defense.

[Skates]

Neither the Heat or Knicks have a player near Embiid’s level and still would not with those moves. You don’t do a full rebuild with the MVP in his prime and the more fluidity you see with high to mid salary guys moving this offseason all the better chance you can make a really helpful Tobi deal.

[Arsenal]

It should be noted that last season Maxey missed 26 games, Harden missed 24, and Embiid missed 16. We still finished with the 3rd best record in the NBA. Were we in the Finals last season if those guys missed fewer games and we were #2 instead of #3? I don't know the answer to that and I'm not pretending to, but my point is the league is wide open right now and you can't let top-25 (20?) talent walk for nothing.

Every contending team needs to catch breaks (i.e. Denver was healthy for the first time in a long time, Miami played against an injured Giannis, Lakers made a helluva deadline trade). Retaining Harden keeps us in that conversation. The rest is improving on the margins with a Tobais trade, Nurse coaching, and catching other non-predictable breaks.

I don’t think they are acquiring a star finisher, so the roster improvements have to happen around the edges. I ignore all of the Beal, Lillard, Zion, etc talk, because I think we are moving forward with Embiid, Harden, and Maxey as our big three. Morey pushed our remaining chips in for Harden, and trading Maxey will prob next us less value than I would want.

Unfortunately, the last ten years or so I watched primarily Sixers games so I’m not really knowledgeable in regards to undervalued gems on other teams rosters. I like McDaniels and Melton pickups, but Morey needs to find more players with a cheap price tag that can have more of an impact come playoff time.

One player I hope we've been eyeing is Kyle Anderson. He provides defense, playmaking, and rebounding that would allow him to serve as the perfect piece in our 2nd unit. It's tough to envision how to acquire him though, especially if only Tobias is involved.

We should have signed him instead of Tucker last summer. He's a perfect fit if Harden walks or is traded later as a guy who can share ballhandling duties with Maxey. Kind of a poor man's pre-meltdown Ben Simmons but willing to shoot if open.

[GutUNC]

Zion has played more games than Joel at this point in their careers. Zion is someone you take the risk on. He is a potential mvp guy.

That's a pretty silly justification to make. Because one guy persevered through massive injury issues to be fairly durable means that a guy who's had massive injury issues (mainly due to weight) is likely to do the same. JE is an exception.

[Monix]

would have eyes on Washington's Delon Wright as a big guard who can help with ballhandling

[mjkvol]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Totally disagree. They'll certainly explode through the super apron, but they have no future beyond the next couple of years, and no assets aside from Ayton to bring in some defense and any quality depth. They have three scorers, all of whom have had availability issues, and without anyone to run the offense. They'll win a lot of regular season games, but when they get into playoff series against good defensive teams they'll get smoked.

[Skates]

would have eyes on Washington's Delon Wright as a big guard who can help with ballhandling

I was a big fan of his a few years ago, seemed to be a bit of a dropoff lately. But a big defensive pg when at his best.

[Kobblehead]

I don't care, I would get mad hype if we landed Zion.

[Arsenal]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Totally disagree. They'll certainly explode through the super apron, but they have no future beyond the next couple of years, and no assets aside from Ayton to bring in some defense and any quality depth. They have three scorers, all of whom have had availability issues, and without anyone to run the offense. They'll win a lot of regular season games, but when they get into playoff series against good defensive teams they'll get smoked.

Like it or not, being able to spend $20-30M+ more than other teams on payroll is a major strategic advantage. They'll resign as many of their current players as possible to retain asset value, then make trades and get vet mins and buyout guys to fill out the roster.

And they don't care about the future. They're all-in the next couple of years where they have an excellent chance.

[FireMorey]

I don't get where the Zion stuff is coming from. I can't believe his trade value has plummeted to the degree where he can be had for Tobias Harris. Otherwise, it isn't happening with the Sixers.

[Arsenal]

I don't get where the Zion stuff is coming from. I can't believe his trade value has plummeted to the degree where he can be had for Tobias Harris. Otherwise, it isn't happening with the Sixers.

Agree we'll be outbid easily. That said even though I love Maxey I'd have to do the deal if offered. Zion has MVP talent and I don't think Maxey does.

[Arsenal]

If we hold the line at a 2-year deal, I bet Harden demands a 1+1 instead. Gives him a chance to opt-out next summer when tons of teams should have cap room. I prefer straight 2 years but would accept 1+1 if push comes to shove.

[Negrodamus]

Read on Twitter

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Wow, really? Is Scoot seen as that valuable?

[NBD23]

If we hold the line at a 2-year deal, I bet Harden demands a 1+1 instead. Gives him a chance to opt-out next summer when tons of teams should have cap room. I prefer straight 2 years but would accept 1+1 if push comes to shove.

Weirdly my biggest hope was / is that he would come back on a 1+1 team option. One more year to try stability which Joel pretty much has not had in his career and then back out if Harden is inconsistent or doesn't work in Nick Nurse world. Next year is the better FA year anyway so it gives us a shot and doesn't lock us into the declining asset that Harden will be if the we have another second round exit. Seems like a win win situation.

[Stanford]

I don't get where the Zion stuff is coming from. I can't believe his trade value has plummeted to the degree where he can be had for Tobias Harris. Otherwise, it isn't happening with the Sixers.

You're being a little disingenuous. Maxey would be involved.

[FireMorey]

I don't get where the Zion stuff is coming from. I can't believe his trade value has plummeted to the degree where he can be had for Tobias Harris. Otherwise, it isn't happening with the Sixers.

You're being a little disingenuous. Maxey would be involved.

I'm not. Heard on the radio earlier talking about "Would you trade Tobias Harris for Zion?" and I assumed that's the rumor going around and that's the basis for the discussions.

Frankly, I don't even know where the Zion stuff even started. I didn't see anyone connect him to the Sixers.

[Negrodamus]

My prediction is we get Harden back, trade Harris and Melton for Collins and Bogdonovic, then try to get back into the draft. That’s your off-season.

[mjkvol]

Here's an owner who's truly committed to winning. Ready to EXPLODE right through the Super Apron. Can we say the same for that little rat that owns the Sixers? Doubtful. He's never cared about winning, just lining his pockets like the greedy bastard he is.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/271984/Suns-Believe-They-Have-Edge-To-Explode-Right-Through-Second-Luxury-Tax-Apron

Totally disagree. They'll certainly explode through the super apron, but they have no future beyond the next couple of years, and no assets aside from Ayton to bring in some defense and any quality depth. They have three scorers, all of whom have had availability issues, and without anyone to run the offense. They'll win a lot of regular season games, but when they get into playoff series against good defensive teams they'll get smoked.

Like it or not, being able to spend $20-30M+ more than other teams on payroll is a major strategic advantage. They'll resign as many of their current players as possible to retain asset value, then make trades and get vet mins and buyout guys to fill out the roster.

And they don't care about the future. They're all-in the next couple of years where they have an excellent chance.

You might be right, but if they were a stock I'd be shorting them.

[rocketsfan100]

Tobias for Tim hardaway junior and Josh green would be a good get. Hardaway fits better spot up shooter who can get hot and Green is a really athletic defensive wing