Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

[Jay555]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

[Murray_17]

Clippers deal is all smoke. Harden is staying .. Chicago tho for Tobias is possible

lol no

[Murray_17]

Nobody is upset about Pat Bev because of the money. I think many just expect this to be one of Daryl's few moves. I'd wager Pat Bev isn't even sniffing 20mpg by January.

Does it really matter? It's probably an insurance move because you can wave him around the deadline or trade him and stay below the tax.

It's something i would do? no, but also better for him to get waived than to see another guy get cut or traded just because Josh Harris is a selfish idiot.

[Jay555]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

[sixers hoops]

Powell, Mann, Covington and two 1sts? That's a great return for an expiring Harden, assuming one of those 1sts is unprotected. Mann and the picks are assets for future deals as well, which the Sixers currently have practically none of.

I don't think the Clippers are offering that, though. I'm also sure that Morey is asking for Kawhi or Paul George.

I was assuming we can get two unprotected picks. They doing have much to offer without the picks. Powell has a long term commitment so taking him is neutral to negative value. Cov is cap filler at this point. Mann is a nice player, but that’s about it. Without the firsts, they don’t have much to offer. I would assume Morey would let James’s reps know that he is not going to the Clips because they don’t have a competitive trade package. That would be between him and the Clips, but Morey doesn’t seem like us will be forced into anything.

There's no way they get two UNP 1sts for an expiring contract whom the acquiring team cannot even extend. I don't think the Clippers even get full Bird rights, only Early Bird.

Let's also not pretend that Harden is not the biggest loser energy choker in the league (possibly seconded by Embiid, but that's a whole other story).

I realize Morey waited and turned Simmons into Harden. Simmons had 4 years left on his deal. Waiting again this time, however, means Harden expires and leaves for nothing. Which I kinda think is what the Sixers really want. Or at least, they wouldn't be upset if that's what happened.

I just don't think very many teams are going to be interested even if Morey opened up league wide bidding and Harden said "I'll go anywhere".

I fully expect the deal to be the three Clipper expiring contracts (Morris, Covington, Batum) plus those 2 1sts, the latter of which will be heavily protected, for Harden and Tucker. This sets up their 2024 FA plan perfectly and triples their barren asset stockpile.

Unless Morey can get in on Dame. That would completely change the calculus, obviously.

I see your perspective. I think they will get a few teams involved, or put James in a situation where he plays here. I would look to keep him on a one year deal, before taking on any contracts we don’t want. I think Dame would have to go first to see if Miami gets involved. I could see Heat, Clippers, Knicks, maybe the Kings, the Suns don’t have anything, and I think Jake Fischer or somebody mentioned the Bulls.

If Miami drops out, we don’t have to take Powell’s contract, and James is adamant about not being here, maybe Morey caves. However, I think he pushes Harden to stay here to improve our chances this year, before caving for some late firsts.

[sixers hoops]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

Suns have picks?

[ProcessDoctor]

**** fam we really do have to blow it up huh

[Jay555]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

Suns have picks?

Via a third team.

[Jay555]

**** fam we really do have to blow it up huh

FO is just waiting for the phone call from Embiid lol.

[mjkvol]

My guess is that Powell & Roco are definitely in the deal but the sticking point is Mann & the number of picks. Clippers would rather include Batum but we’ll insist on Mann. We’ll want both picks & Clippers only want to give up one.

We’d probably prefer to avoid Powell’s long-term money but I think you need him in the deal to sell it to Embiid & get his sign off.

Powell/Roco/Mann/1st for Harden feels like the logical conclusion to these negotiations. And that’s a great result that makes us a better team than last year imo.

I dont feel as though a Clippers deal is happening. I think that one could/should have happened quickly before the new league year when matching became much more difficult.

We know Morey only likes to make big splash name moves. LA didnt want to include their stars, or young players. Morey is not going to settle for a bunch of washed players, and a bad contract. It seems as though the teams are far apart and a deal only became more difficult as of midnight last night.

I think the most likely deal now is with Chicago who is reportedly open to moving LaVine and/or DeRozan.
They have the name value Morey is constantly in search of. Being willing to trade those guys gives them a better start in negotiations right off the bat as compared to LA.

Even if LA says they'll include Mann and a FRP, that's not going to tickle Morey's nuts the way names like LaVine or DeRozan would.

If it's DeRozan, fine, he's an expiring and I like him as a player. If it's Levine, shut the door on the Sixers. They'll be best selling the farm next summer and starting the rebuild early.

Newsflash: We aren't winning anything in '23-'24, and if Morey is stupid enough to believe that anyone aside from a miraculously healthy (and demented for wanting to come here) Kawhi gives us a prayer of a chance, he should be run out of here on a rail right now.

[FireMorey]

Morey informed the team today that he would plan to pursue Dame, but the Sixers rate limit has been exceeded.

[SixthStreet]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I think even if we can't find a good Tobias trade I'd still run it back. This team was not far off this past year, and I think I'd bet on Maxey's progression and Harden's regression to be a net positive.

Add Reed being a full time rotation player and maybe Springer gives you a bonus and the losses so far are not bad. McDaniels market seems tepid so maybe we get him back on a good deal.

Maybe the ego of Harden and maybe Harris can't stomach running it back but I think we can win it all if it can be pieced back together.

And we all get some cookies.

[Skates]

In fairness Morey had to sign Beverly to complete the matched set of former Rockets (nobody remind him about Westbrook), so he’s done that now and is free to make actual moves since he collected all of those XP in the Who Was Once A Rocket video game (it’s very niche).

[Kobblehead]

Dame sucks anyway. Also, he discluded the Sixers as a team he wants to get traded to. It's only Miami and Brooklyn.

[Ben]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I hated the Tobi signing when it first happened, and have advocated for a trade every year since then. But at this point, in the last year of his contract, there's no longer any reason to trade him (unless it's as part of a deal for a real star). He's a pretty good player who got paid as if he were a great one. Next summer if he can be re-signed for Harrison Barnes kind of money, maybe a little more, he'd be very desirable to have.

Also, what team is going to give up two decent 3 & D players for Tobias Harris, who himself is a better version of a 3 & D guy? Find the players you think would fit that description and make a proposal for how it could work. If it could-- if he could bring back two solid guys in that mold, good 3P shooters who play good defense-- I'd be interested. But those guys don't grow on trees.

Unless you mean 3&D players who really can't score unless it's a bunny, dunk, or an open 3-- think Tucker and Thybulle-- would you want two of them in exchange for Tobi? Cause I sure don't.

[Jay555]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I think even if we can't find a good Tobias trade I'd still run it back. This team was not far off this past year, and I think I'd bet on Maxey's progression and Harden's regression to be a net positive.

Add Reed being a full time rotation player and maybe Springer gives you a bonus and the losses so far are not bad. McDaniels market seems tepid so maybe we get him back on a good deal.

Maybe the ego of Harden and maybe Harris can't stomach running it back but I think we can win it all if it can be pieced back together.

And we all get some cookies.

True. We are not far off.

What Denver showed us is that patience is a virtue. Guys know each other and chemistry matters more than talent.

The East is still wide open. We do need to add a good 3 Pt shooter tho.

[Murray_17]

Welp, as i said before. We're not trading Harden or Tobias until this Lillard stuff get solved.

Lillard **** the Blazers hard anyway, got his contract, made Portland give Grant an extension and then wants out

[Jay555]

Dame sucks anyway. Also, he discluded the Sixers as a team he wants to get traded to. It's only Miami and Brooklyn.

I would argue Miami would not be as good with Dame. The depth that carried them to the final is completely gone. Good luck getting the bunch of 3 pt shooters they had. Big 3 + fillers is not an ideal way of building your roster. It almost always fails.

[Ben]

Here is what’s gonna happen.

Dame gets his wishes and gets traded to his preferred destination - Miami Heat.

Harden gets traded to Clips for fillers and picks.

Tobi gets traded to Suns for fillers and picks

Sixers trades Embiid for ton of picks and rebuilds around Maxey.

To be fair, I think running it back might actually work provided Tobi gets traded for a couple of 3&D guys.

I think even if we can't find a good Tobias trade I'd still run it back. This team was not far off this past year, and I think I'd bet on Maxey's progression and Harden's regression to be a net positive.

Add Reed being a full time rotation player and maybe Springer gives you a bonus and the losses so far are not bad. McDaniels market seems tepid so maybe we get him back on a good deal.

Maybe the ego of Harden and maybe Harris can't stomach running it back but I think we can win it all if it can be pieced back together.

And we all get some cookies.

Let me just point out that Boston added Porzingis and Miami may be adding Dame. Cleveland added shooting with Strus and Niang. If Miami doesn't get Dame and stands completely pat, which seems unlikely to me, maybe we don't lose ground to them. Otherwise, just look at the Sixers' competition and ask yourself whether running it back without any meaningful additions (and with the loss of Niang and Milton, although I'm less concerned with Shake) seems so attractive.

[GoSixersBro]

Nobody is upset about Pat Bev because of the money. I think many just expect this to be one of Daryl's few moves. I'd wager Pat Bev isn't even sniffing 20mpg by January.

Does it really matter? It's probably an insurance move because you can wave him around the deadline or trade him and stay below the tax.

It's something i would do? no, but also better for him to get waived than to see another guy get cut or traded just because Josh Harris is a selfish idiot.

I think you're missing my point. Of course it doesn't matter when looking at the deal/salary cap, etc. But my point is if DM signing another washed Rocket ends up being our second biggest move come the start of training camp then yes, this severely matters.