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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#61 » by the_process » Tue Jul 30, 2024 2:52 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:I think Embiid got psyched out a little bit. He just looked a little lost & had a bunch of clumsy moments. The crowd booing him, the online convo about him recently, and the Jokic matchup was probably a lot to handle.


i hope kerr and company give most of Embiid's minutes to AD and Bam so he can sit on the bench with Tatum. Then Tatum can tell him all about his championship run and let Embiid look at his championship ring. i'm all about the tough love here.


I agree with this. Tough love all the way. Jo has to unlearn the foul baiting and the moping and focus primarily on defense and rebounding.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#62 » by Mik317 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 3:31 am

Biid was sick and is already in his early season ramp up mode and playing in a role that doesn't require him to be the whole system for the first time in forever.

him looking bad is to be expected imo. I just hope he learns from the experience at this stage and doesn't completely **** the bed. This is the first time his failure is ALL on him without a Tobias or Ben to do take the brunt of it.

He has to evolve ASPECTS of his game at this stage of his career. I want more off ball quick decisive shot taking. There have been a few sets where he cuts to the FT line and takes a quick jumper...missed it but I want to see more of that than the catch the ball, jab step into a contested jumper or dribble into a double team stuff. His vision isn't good enough to do that on a team where he doesn't have chemistry yet imo....and he doesn't need to do so with the other guys on the roster.

As for the Tatum thing....yeah Kerr is on his Doc **** lol. I troll Tatum (mostly due to salt reasons) but he should play. I'd start Steph/Jrue/Tatum/Bron/Biid...have KD eat on that second unit.
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Post#63 » by TYO23 » Tue Jul 30, 2024 8:48 pm

Just get out of this healthy that’s all I want from him. Carmelo has a podcast and PG was the guest today and Melo mentioned he hopes Jo gets in shape and locks in because he won’t keep getting chances like this in regards to our team this year.
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Post#64 » by MikRay » Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:55 am

Joel isn’t a serious professional. He thinks he is, but he has no idea what it takes to win. I don’t think he understands how hard people work that win championships. Hopefully he sees that this summer.
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Post#65 » by Eyeamok » Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:46 am

MikRay wrote:Joel isn’t a serious professional. He thinks he is, but he has no idea what it takes to win. I don’t think he understands how hard people work that win championships. Hopefully he sees that this summer.


I believe he is a serious professional. But there are levels to this chit and he needs to raise his level. I think you are right that he does not realize how hard people work that win championships, mentally and physically, especially when they are the #1 option. But hopefully he will come back with a new respect for what it takes.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#66 » by MikRay » Wed Jul 31, 2024 2:51 am

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MikRay wrote:Joel isn’t a serious professional. He thinks he is, but he has no idea what it takes to win. I don’t think he understands how hard people work that win championships. Hopefully he sees that this summer.


I believe he is a serious professional. But there are levels to this chit and he needs to raise his level. I think you are right that he does not realize how hard people work that win championships, mentally and physically, especially when they are the #1 option. But hopefully he will come back with a new respect for what it takes.


I hope you’re right, but I don’t think so. There’s already an article in the Philadelphia paper saying he expects to learn nothing from his Olympic experience. Some guys just never get it unfortunately.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#67 » by 76ciology » Wed Jul 31, 2024 4:51 am

In my view, Joel Embiid is a product of today's player development-focused environment. His transformation from a project to an MVP under Drew Hanlen's guidance is remarkable. However, to become a true winner, you need to play many real 5-on-5 cerebral games to experience various schemes. This is how Doncic developed into a savant at a young age. The same can be said for Giannis and Jokic, who play a lot of international games in the offseason. What does Embiid do? He plays 1-on-1 against small trainers, emulating moves from YouTube.

Zach LaVine is a prime example of this issue. He is a very talented player, but he didn't develop his basketball IQ. He knows different ways to get 50pts from various moves taught by Drew Hanlen but he doesn't know how to win.

With Embiid, he doesn't know how to pace himself. He always goes hard against weak teams and in early games. Embiid also knows how to operate when the scheme is vanilla. When the refs stop calling fouls, he still tries to foul bait in crunch time. You can say he should stop doing so, but what makes you think he knows how to be an elite scorer without foul baiting?

What if the main reason he's hard to defend is that defenders are trying not to foul him? This could explain why he gets most of his scoring early in the game.

Look at Jokic—he's okay with looking foolish in the regular season. He understands that you can have all the spotlight you want, but the real prize is in the playoffs, and that's what he's saving himself for. Jokic also has much more in-game experience, which is why he is often a step ahead of his opponents. He can punish the defense if they play physical, if the refs arent blowing their whistle, if the spacing is bad or if the defense is throwing multiple defenders. And you get all these conditions with these FIBA tournaments.

What's worse is that Embiid misses a lot of regular season games, further limiting his already very vanilla regular season on-court experience compared to other top players.

In that Drew Hanlen podcast with Joel Embiid, you can get a glimpse into his mindset. He focuses heavily on 1v1 play and the development of his game. He takes an entire year to see what needs changing, but this could be achieved way earlier if he’s playing in the pro league like Doncic as a teenager of he’s playing in international games every offseason like Jokic.

As a result, every year we face a problem that surprises us in the playoffs, which we then try to address in the offseason, like rebounding last year. These issues could have been identified much earlier if Embiid's game experience was like that of other professional athletes his age, with hundreds or even thousands more high-intensity games played.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#68 » by mjkvol » Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:07 pm

76ciology wrote:In my view, Joel Embiid is a product of today's player development-focused environment. His transformation from a project to an MVP under Drew Hanlen's guidance is remarkable. However, to become a true winner, you need to play many real 5-on-5 cerebral games to experience various schemes. This is how Doncic developed into a savant at a young age. The same can be said for Giannis and Jokic, who play a lot of international games in the offseason. What does Embiid do? He plays 1-on-1 against small trainers, emulating moves from YouTube.

Zach LaVine is a prime example of this issue. He is a very talented player, but he didn't develop his basketball IQ. He knows different ways to get 50pts from various moves taught by Drew Hanlen but he doesn't know how to win.

With Embiid, he doesn't know how to pace himself. He always goes hard against weak teams and in early games. Embiid also knows how to operate when the scheme is vanilla. When the refs stop calling fouls, he still tries to foul bait in crunch time. You can say he should stop doing so, but what makes you think he knows how to be an elite scorer without foul baiting?

What if the main reason he's hard to defend is that defenders are trying not to foul him? This could explain why he gets most of his scoring early in the game.

Look at Jokic—he's okay with looking foolish in the regular season. He understands that you can have all the spotlight you want, but the real prize is in the playoffs, and that's what he's saving himself for. Jokic also has much more in-game experience, which is why he is often a step ahead of his opponents. He can punish the defense if they play physical, if the refs arent blowing their whistle, if the spacing is bad or if the defense is throwing multiple defenders. And you get all these conditions with these FIBA tournaments.

What's worse is that Embiid misses a lot of regular season games, further limiting his already very vanilla regular season on-court experience compared to other top players.

In that Drew Hanlen podcast with Joel Embiid, you can get a glimpse into his mindset. He focuses heavily on 1v1 play and the development of his game. He takes an entire year to see what needs changing, but this could be achieved way earlier if he’s playing in the pro league like Doncic as a teenager of he’s playing in international games every offseason like Jokic.

As a result, every year we face a problem that surprises us in the playoffs, which we then try to address in the offseason, like rebounding last year. These issues could have been identified much earlier if Embiid's game experience was like that of other professional athletes his age, with hundreds or even thousands more high-intensity games played.


It's beyond wishful thinking to believe that Embiid is going to change with regard to how he approaches the game at this stage. If that was going to happen, it would have several years ago after one of the playoff disappointments. We will perhaps see a new offensive move wrinkle he worked on with Hanlon, but all the other 5v5 flaws will remain. It's kind of foolish to believe otherwise.

That video spoke volumes, moaning about lack of support over the years and ripping a guy who just won a championship, as if it's all about 1v1, as you say. Embiid surrounds himself with sycophants who only reinforce this mentality, which is a huge part of the problem. If a strong coaching hire had been made to replace Brown it might have made a difference, perhaps if a guy like Nurse had gotten Embiid a few years younger, but instead it was three years of Glenn catering to this Embiid mindset.

It will be very interesting to see the team dynamic with a legit scoring option in George added, whether Embiid intelligently uses this as a chance to pace himself offensively during games and focus on the defensive end or if he feels slighted that he might not be option 1 or 2 in big spots.

I would be thrilled to be wrong and see him as an improved passer and end of clock safety valve offensively who hammers the offensive boards, and a DPOY type player on the other end. I'm not holding my breath.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#69 » by rzzzzz » Wed Jul 31, 2024 1:40 pm

76ciology wrote:His transformation from a project to an MVP under Drew Hanlen's guidance is remarkable. However, to become a true winner, you need to play many real 5-on-5 cerebral games to experience various schemes.


True, that. But I remember how Biid looked at Kansas, playing under Bill Self. Moving without the ball, readily sharing it without pounding the air out of it. And he was still close with the Kansas staff that first season, when that hatchet article came out, hacking him to shreds at the same time he lost his younger brother. (Didn’t seem like Brett was giving him that much then. Though Sam shepherded him most attentively until Silver leaned on Harris to get rid of him.) Years ago I had a fantasy of Self taking the job at Philly, though I imagine he and his family are well tended where they are.) Anyway, Jo must still have that simple, freshmen efficiency still sitting somewhere in his memory bank.
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Post#70 » by ivysixer2000 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 3:08 pm

mjkvol wrote:
76ciology wrote:In my view, Joel Embiid is a product of today's player development-focused environment. His transformation from a project to an MVP under Drew Hanlen's guidance is remarkable. However, to become a true winner, you need to play many real 5-on-5 cerebral games to experience various schemes. This is how Doncic developed into a savant at a young age. The same can be said for Giannis and Jokic, who play a lot of international games in the offseason. What does Embiid do? He plays 1-on-1 against small trainers, emulating moves from YouTube.

Zach LaVine is a prime example of this issue. He is a very talented player, but he didn't develop his basketball IQ. He knows different ways to get 50pts from various moves taught by Drew Hanlen but he doesn't know how to win.

With Embiid, he doesn't know how to pace himself. He always goes hard against weak teams and in early games. Embiid also knows how to operate when the scheme is vanilla. When the refs stop calling fouls, he still tries to foul bait in crunch time. You can say he should stop doing so, but what makes you think he knows how to be an elite scorer without foul baiting?

What if the main reason he's hard to defend is that defenders are trying not to foul him? This could explain why he gets most of his scoring early in the game.

Look at Jokic—he's okay with looking foolish in the regular season. He understands that you can have all the spotlight you want, but the real prize is in the playoffs, and that's what he's saving himself for. Jokic also has much more in-game experience, which is why he is often a step ahead of his opponents. He can punish the defense if they play physical, if the refs arent blowing their whistle, if the spacing is bad or if the defense is throwing multiple defenders. And you get all these conditions with these FIBA tournaments.

What's worse is that Embiid misses a lot of regular season games, further limiting his already very vanilla regular season on-court experience compared to other top players.

In that Drew Hanlen podcast with Joel Embiid, you can get a glimpse into his mindset. He focuses heavily on 1v1 play and the development of his game. He takes an entire year to see what needs changing, but this could be achieved way earlier if he’s playing in the pro league like Doncic as a teenager of he’s playing in international games every offseason like Jokic.

As a result, every year we face a problem that surprises us in the playoffs, which we then try to address in the offseason, like rebounding last year. These issues could have been identified much earlier if Embiid's game experience was like that of other professional athletes his age, with hundreds or even thousands more high-intensity games played.


It's beyond wishful thinking to believe that Embiid is going to change with regard to how he approaches the game at this stage. If that was going to happen, it would have several years ago after one of the playoff disappointments. But we will perhaps see a new offensive move wrinkle he worked on with Hanlon, but all the other 5v5 flaws will remain. It's kind of foolish to believe otherwise.

That video spoke volumes, moaning about lack of support over the years and ripping a guy who just won a championship, as if it's all about 1v1, as you say. Embiid surrounds himself with sycophants who only reinforce this mentality, which is a huge part of the problem. If a strong coaching hire had been made to replace Brown it might have made a difference, perhaps if a guy like Nurse had gotten Embiid a few years younger, but instead it was three years of Glenn catering to this Embiid mindset.

It will be very interesting to see the team dynamic with a legit scoring option in George added, whether Embiid intelligently uses this as a chance to pace himself offensively during games and focus on the defensive end or if he feels slighted that he might not be option 1 or 2 in big spots.

I would be thrilled to be wrong and see him as an impro.ved passer and end of clock safety valve offensively who hammers the offensive boards, and a DPOY type player on the other end. I'm not holding my breath.


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Jojo and PG will not change, although I have hope that Jojo will concentrate on D and rebounding. Jojo does put himself in harm's way by the nature of him playing that much D. My true hope is in Maxey improving once again as he has done, we can win a chip.
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Re: 2024 Olympics/Embiid Watch Thread 

Post#71 » by ankle420breaker » Wed Jul 31, 2024 5:42 pm

I'm fine with Oubre starting, but I'm also intrigued with the idea of throwing Gordon in the starting lineup and letting Oubre eat with the 2nd unit.

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Post#72 » by sodmoraes » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:34 pm

Embiid probably will be Tatum'd this game and be glued to the bench lol.

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Post#73 » by eyeatoma » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:34 pm

So Embiid not playing at all this game? WTF, he hurt? Sick?
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Post#74 » by TYO23 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:39 pm

I would take the over on Embiid points when we play the Warriors. They can thank Kerr and Kuminga for that.
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Post#75 » by FireMorey » Wed Jul 31, 2024 7:44 pm

He still leads the team in plus minus too.
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Post#76 » by Iverson Armband » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:00 pm

I love the idea of players earning their minutes.
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Post#77 » by Mik317 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:23 pm

Good. He needs to realize that his way isn’t always the best way

Although I do think it’s for matchup purposes mostly lol. South Sudan bombs threes
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Post#78 » by Sixersftw » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:23 pm

Just took a look at the box, Embiid hurt?
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Post#79 » by Negrodamus » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:26 pm

Aw damn, he didn’t play in a game where he can potentially injure himself.
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Post#80 » by Mik317 » Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:28 pm

As long as we win I don’t give a **** lol

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