2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft - Volume III

[Covi_Marsh]

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Pretty good defensive potential. He can be a defensive playmaker. Since he´s already good CS from 3, seems like a safe pick, with potential to be way more than that, if he develops other parts of his game. And the man has a killer mid range jumper, which is super important in the playoffs, just look what Siakam is doing in the playoffs.

Impressive plays. I can definitely see him hitting his Herb Jones ceiling if he can consistently do that in the NBA.

Herb Jones ? Herb Jones with an elite midrange shot and 40% catch & shoot is an all star. Herb Jones is also 26 with one season shooting above 40%

[Covi_Marsh]

Could VJ be Marcus Smart with a jumpshot but less efficiency at the rim?

[zaz102]

1. Trade for Harper.
2. Trade back #5 at worst for more picks and draft Ace, VJ, or Tre.
3. Draft Ace, VJ, or Tre at #3.
4. Trade back to #6 for a haul and draft Kon.

[Stanford]

Herb Jones at three crying laughing emoji. Dead.

[Mik317]

not gonna lie the Harper news smokescreen now has gotten my hopes up lol

[Arsenal]

Herb Jones at three crying laughing emoji. Dead.

Herb Jones on defense + Rashard Lewis on offense = SUPERSTAR

[FireMorey]

I don't think trade up stuff is a smokescreen. There would be no benefit of it to the Sixers to leak that. There could be to the Spurs to try to drum up interest from other teams trying to move up, but local reporters got info from Sixers sources. I think they legitimately have interest in doing so, the question is how much interest do the Spurs have of moving out.

[Arsenal]

Am I off base here? I’m frustrated reading a lot of these posts because people mention “upside” or “ceiling” without a proper understanding of what that means. I think that our fans don’t really think about the difference between “theoretical max upside”, and “likely good case outcome”. They are two separate concepts.

With theoretical max upside, you’re basically thinking that if basically everything goes perfectly with their development, how good could they conceivably be? This is fun to think about with prospects, but basically never happens. Even somebody like Giannis who had a nearly perfect development for a raw athlete never added a shot for example. Athleticism and size/length are big components here as they’re pretty hard to add.


With likely good case outcome, you’re basically taking an optimistic view of the prospect not being a bust, and thinking about where they’ll be with a pretty typical development curve where over the course of their first 5-6 years or so where they have the best chance to get better: they improve their body a bit (add NBA weight/strength), develop maybe 1 skill they’re lacking to some degree, and refine 1 or 2 skills they already have a bit. IMO, with this, attributes like work ethic, coachability, and basketball-iq matter a lot for picking up new concepts.

How does this relate to some of the main prospects that Sixers fans are locked in on around the 3-7 range?

Ace Bailey: His theoretical max upside is arguably the best here due to his length and natural ability to make tough shots. However, his seemingly low overall basketball-iq and fixation on taking tough shots might give him the worst likely good case outcome. He has to add a lot of skills and break a lot of his mentalities to maybe get there. And even then, I’m not sure if he’s smart enough to ever get it. (I hope I’m wrong)

Tre Johnson: His theoretical max upside is great: maybe like a James Harden-ish offensive engine. But his getting to the rim and finishing at the basket was bad in college. (Not to mention the defense). He won’t take the star leap without fixing at least his driving and finishing.

Kon Kneuppel: His limited athleticism and height gives him by far the lowest theoretical max upside here because he’s never going to consistently beat guys with a first step or explode over people to dunk on them or block their shots in their face. But I think he has one of the better likely good case outcomes. By all accounts he’s very mature, a hard worker, and has a high basketball-iq. IMO, with very modest refinement in existing skills (slightly tighter handle, a pull up shot and floater game, and I’d add finishing with the left hand too if we’re going very nuanced) he has a bit of potential as a creator despite his physical limitations.

VJ Edgecombe: His athleticism gives him super upside if his development goes absolutely perfectly, and by all accounts people praise his work ethic, though the recent posts about him maybe not being his listed age make me a tad nervous. But he’s got a lot of improvement to do in multiple big skills as a shooter, handler, passer, and team defender. The odds of him being useful seem high, but the odds of him fixing all of his weak points seems pretty low.

I think you overvalue Kon. He's a better 3 pt shooting Joe Ingles.

Except Joe Ingles was 6'9" with a 6'10" wingspan. Those extra 4 inches of length are important in getting shots off and being able to defend forwards. He is a .409 career 3PT shooter, which is outstanding.

Overall Ingles was a very good player. That would be a very high level outcome for Kon.

[zaz102]

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[Arsenal]

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Way too much for Trey. He barely put up half a season of great numbers and then tore his rotator cuff. In fact his numbers were very similar to Grimes' full year numbers, and Grimes as a Sixer was even better.

Plus it's tough to match salaries for him. PG would have to go out along with #3 and we'd need to take back CJ + Murphy + #7.

[Black Mage]

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I'm out.

[elchengue20]

They want to move up to draft Ace with the 3rd pick

7th + Trey Murphy for 3rd + Grimes

[ProcessDoctor]

NOP is taking George for Murphy for a move from 3 to 7. Otherwise, they can stand pat and enjoy Kon at #7.

[ProcessDoctor]

Noa Essengue measurements:

6'10" (no shoes), 7'0.75" wingspan, 9'1.75" standing reach.

[Black Mage]

Noa Essengue measurements:

6'10" (no shoes), 7'0.75" wingspan, 9'1.75" standing reach.

Damn, surprised by that underwhelming wingspan.

[sodmoraes]

Underwhelming indeed. Ace has the same wingspan, if i´m not mistaken, but he was measured at 6.75.

[OleSchool]

I doubt we get VJ Ibaka, not a Morey´s pick at all. In my opinion, it will be Ace, Tre or trade up to get Harper. Edgecombe is just bait so we get something of Charlote.

Agreed. He’s being talked about so heavily right now because it was leaked we worked him out, which was such an obvious smokescreen that it’s almost not a smokescreen at all.

Is it really though? Maxey flew in specifically to meet him

[Arsenal]

Noa Essengue measurements:

6'10" (no shoes), 7'0.75" wingspan, 9'1.75" standing reach.

About what was expected. He was 6'9" with a 6'11" wingspan and 9'3" standing reach a year ago. These measurements make more sense.

Considering how young he is, he'll probably add another inch or so to end up 7'2" wingspan and 9'3" reach.

[Arsenal]

Here's the tweet on Noa. He's the guy if we trade down with the Pels or Nets.

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[sodmoraes]

No agility and jumping tests for the europe guys?