The Legend of Joel Embiid

MambaJuice · Post #601 » by **MambaJuice** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:07 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:Zach Lowe on his podcast said he thinks best case scenario for Embiid is he's the best player in the NBA. Worst case Greg Oden.

That's a floor of the Mariana Trench and a ceiling of Mt Everest.

kanga · Post #602 » by **kanga** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:25 pm

MambaJuice wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Zach Lowe on his podcast said he thinks best case scenario for Embiid is he's the best player in the NBA. Worst case Greg Oden.

That's a floor of the Mariana Trench and a ceiling of Mt Everest.

Hah. Agreed. That could literally be said of almost any player.

"Best case scenario, he's the best. Worst case scenario, he's the worst."

phiphan · Post #603 » by **phiphan** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:33 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah Eskin was right but the real question is does it change your opinion about Embiid? He basically had a mini NFL holdout...actually it might not be mini at all. It seems like a regular old holdout.

Doesn't change mine. Both sides handled the holdout well. I guess it was in neither side's best interest to make this a public thing.

Ericb5 · Post #604 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 8:58 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Yeah Eskin was right but the real question is does it change your opinion about Embiid? He basically had a mini NFL holdout...actually it might not be mini at all. It seems like a regular old holdout.

If he did in fact do that then I don't hold it against him.

Ericb5 · Post #605 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:01 pm

kanga wrote:
MambaJuice wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Zach Lowe on his podcast said he thinks best case scenario for Embiid is he's the best player in the NBA. Worst case Greg Oden.

That's a floor of the Mariana Trench and a ceiling of Mt Everest.

Hah. Agreed. That could literally be said of almost any player.

"Best case scenario, he's the best. Worst case scenario, he's the worst."

Well it isn't true that every player has the potential to be the best player in the league. VERY few players have that level of talent, and physical ability.

He is one of the few players in the league that has legitimate potential to be the best player in the nba. He also happens to have a scary injury history.

Unbreakable99 · Post #606 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:09 pm

Embiid has only played basketball for 6 years and already has a much better shooting touch than Simmons and Fultz. I nominate Embiid to be our new shooting coach. Look at this.

Read on Twitter

MambaJuice · Post #607 » by **MambaJuice** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:19 pm

They should all subscribe to the Embiid method of learning how to shoot. Watching white people shoot on YouTube.

eyeatoma · Post #608 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:19 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Embiid has only played basketball for 6 years and already has a much better shooting touch than Simmons and Fultz. I nominate Embiid to be our new shooting coach. Look at this.

Read on Twitter

He needs to tell Ben and Markelle to watch old white people shoot...

eyeatoma · Post #609 » by **eyeatoma** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:25 pm

Ughghghghghg just found out that Embiid's preseason debut won't be televised!!! Fack me!!!!

Mik317 · Post #610 » by **Mik317** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:52 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Ughghghghghg just found out that Embiid's preseason debut won't be televised!!! Fack me!!!!

i swear this franchise can;t do anything right lol

Post #611 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:15 pm

Mik317 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Ughghghghghg just found out that Embiid's preseason debut won't be televised!!! Fack me!!!!

i swear this franchise can;t do anything right lol

I don't think any team televises it's preseason road games outside of teams that use regional partners of the same company (like us and the Celtics)

The nets are televising it locally.

Winejk · Post #612 » by **Winejk** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:59 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Embiid has only played basketball for 6 years and already has a much better shooting touch than Simmons and Fultz. I nominate Embiid to be our new shooting coach. Look at this.

Read on Twitter

1)If Embiid can shoot half court shots like that so effortlessly, he should take the final shot of every quarter. I still have nightmares of Lou Williams dribbling out the last seconds of a quarter, make a move to get a long jump shot off, and the shot clanging every time. Ugh!

2) At the end of the video, love the Dream Shake Embiid does. We've seen the move when he was at Kansas, but I don't ever recall him using it in the NBA.

bedjawII · Post #613 » by **bedjawII** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:06 pm

Winejk wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Embiid has only played basketball for 6 years and already has a much better shooting touch than Simmons and Fultz. I nominate Embiid to be our new shooting coach. Look at this.

Read on Twitter

1)If Embiid can shoot half court shots like that so effortlessly, he should take the final shot of every quarter. I still have nightmares of Lou Williams dribbling out the last seconds of a quarter, make a move to get a long jump shot off, and the shot clanging every time. Ugh!

2) At the end of the video, love the Dream Shake Embiid does. We've seen the move when he was at Kansas, but I don't ever recall him using it in the NBA.

Whaaaaat. He scored his very first bucket with that exact move.

bedjawII · Post #614 » by **bedjawII** » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:13 pm

Ericb5 wrote:
spikeslovechild wrote:The only real problem I have with the deal as reported is it seems like the upside isn't there. So it sort of becomes either Embiid gets his money or gets part of it. Which is not terrible but I still sort of think we are sort of absorbing most of the risk here.

No way Embiid isn't getting what the rumors say next year if gets a serious injury. If he is healthy he gets max money. So where is the upside? The only upside according to reports is the Sixers have protected themselves against injury for what and how many years is the question.

If it's for the duration it's a good deal. If it's for one year it's pointless. If it's for two years it's probably not a good deal. If it's three of more years it's acceptable.

The upside is pretty self evident. We get a healthy Embiid for 5 years. The protections, whatever they are, limit the damage if the worst happens.

The upside is they eliminate the worst possible scenario, a healthy Embiid playing for another team, for JoJos entire career. Imagine the backlash from media, fans and sponsors if in 5 years Embiid even tests the open market. The Joel Embiid brand wouldn’t survive that.

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76thBearCub · Post #615 » by **76thBearCub** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 12:57 am

Winejk wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Embiid has only played basketball for 6 years and already has a much better shooting touch than Simmons and Fultz. I nominate Embiid to be our new shooting coach. Look at this.

Read on Twitter

1)If Embiid can shoot half court shots like that so effortlessly, he should take the final shot of every quarter. I still have nightmares of Lou Williams dribbling out the last seconds of a quarter, make a move to get a long jump shot off, and the shot clanging every time. Ugh!

2) At the end of the video, love the Dream Shake Embiid does. We've seen the move when he was at Kansas, but I don't ever recall him using it in the NBA.

Yea, pretty much.

HotelVitale · Post #616 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:22 am

kanga wrote:
MambaJuice wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:Zach Lowe on his podcast said he thinks best case scenario for Embiid is he's the best player in the NBA. Worst case Greg Oden.
That's a floor of the Mariana Trench and a ceiling of Mt Everest.
Hah. Agreed. That could literally be said of almost any player. "Best case scenario, he's the best. Worst case scenario, he's the worst."

Wait what? That can be said of like 5-10 players in the world at any given time--not too many people have a realistic chance of being the best player in the NBA, and Lowe has repeatedly said that Embiid could be unbelievably awesome if he's healthy.

Ericb5 · Post #617 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:02 am

Woj has a story on ESPN now that describes the protections of the deal and they are perfect.

Basically if he has catastrophic reoccurances of specific injuries then he can be waived and it will end his guaranteed money.

It doesn’t specifically say what those injuries are, but I think it is fairly obvious what they are.

It doesn’t protect again ANY catastrophic injuries, but it protects against specific ones.

Stress fractures are the only injuries that should really be worried about, in terms of long term prognosis, so these are perfect protections.

If he demonstrates strong health over 3 consecutive years then it guarantees the remainder of the deal.

I love it.

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LongLiveHinkie · Post #618 » by **LongLiveHinkie** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:12 am

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20985023/joel-embiid-extension-protects-philadelphia-76ers-case-contractually-specific-catastrophic-injury

It protects against catastrophic injuries to his feet and back. Not knees.

Negrodamus · Post #619 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:20 am

LongLiveHinkie wrote:http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/20985023/joel-embiid-extension-protects-philadelphia-76ers-case-contractually-specific-catastrophic-injury

It protects against catastrophic injuries to his feet and back. Not knees.

I don't think his knees really present a long term issue. I am definitely more concerned about foot and back.

Post #620 » by **tk76** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:26 am

I'm really happy both sides were able to agree to this deal. There is always risk in any max deal, and the protections appear to drop the risk level to be more on par with other max deals. And there is no doubt in my mind that a healthy Embiid is worth a max deal, as it puts you in a position to build a contender.

Really, having Embiid is a bit like having Yao in his prime (but even better, as Embiid has a clearer path to being unparalleled at his position.) There is a lot of risk every year, but if he is healthy in the playoffs you have a shot at a title. And that is really what is all about.