Ben Simmons Trade Thread Part 4

KramerDSP · Post #601 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:31 am

No to Dallas.

Just take the lightly protected picks from Minnesota and root like hell against that team.

KramerDSP · Post #602 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:35 am

Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson and a lottery protected first?

If we could somehow pry Mobley from Cleveland, I’d be all over that.

eyeatoma · Post #603 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:36 am

Negrodamus wrote:This was on the T'Wolves board for those that want some red meat:

FWIW, here's the latest from NBASupes (Hawksquawk):

Just got an update this morning.

Philly is calling Klutch's bluff on Maxey. That said, Philly does realize they will likely have to trade Simmons and that he likely won't play another game with Philly. They come to that agreement. It seems like they are willing to hold out and want to see how things shake out. If they are getting picks, they want a lack of chemistry to get the best possible picks. He says the four teams that have the best shot at Simmons are POR, MIN, CLE, and DAL. Teams outside of the mix are TOR, SAC, and Utah. As of right now, the best players available are McCollum, Sexton, Porzingis, Hield, Ingles, Clarkson, and FVV. What would intrigue PHI is Fox, Haliburton, Siakam, Okoro, Mobley, Barnes, Lillard, Covington, Russell, and O.G. A.

He basically said, right now, the current market seems a tad underwhelming compared to around the draft. This could be a massive miscalculation from PHI. They really didn't think Simmons would sit out and not report even if they knew it could happen.

Based on what he is saying, he thinks PHI will wait till DEC to make a trade no matter what just to see what the best offer is at that time. Maybe someone is desperate and the picks have more meaning then. PHI is playing with fire because Maxey is someone they value a lot and this is really screwing up any potential moves for Simmons.

I did not hear any details of Miami or San Antonio in the mix for Simmons. I've already said LAL and ATL are out on Simmons but both were in during draft season. Most of the teams who were in on Simmons still are in. DAL is a new addition, they are in as well and willing to trade KP and picks for Simmons.

Almost forgot, Houston is a team that's also outside the mix but their limited in what they are willing to offer. I heard it's not much value.

Yep, they been getting draft picks offered as well. The biggest issue is three things

1. Simmons contract

2. His fit in the modern NBA playoffs

3. His willingness to improve

It's really limiting his market. Honestly, PHI wouldn't trade Simmons if he wasn't completely done with Philadelphia. The market just ain't what they want it to be. Its loaded with non playoff teams offering B tier players and protected 1sts. MIN is the only teams willing to offer lightly protected 1sts but the value really isn't that intriguing for now. Maybe it will be in December.

Don't see anything

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KramerDSP · Post #604 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:42 am

Read on Twitter

No lies detected here.

BNelley24 · Post #605 » by **BNelley24** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:49 am

I truly think Morey will hold onto Ben until near the trade deadline. I don’t think he cares about the optics, agent relationship etc. if it takes until the deadline then so be it. By then it’s probably going to be a lot easier to get a deal done. Most teams are probably optimistic about the season. They’re eager to watch their rookies etc. By the deadline the contenders will be separated from the pretenders. Who knows, maybe then the Kings see Davion as their future core piece and decide to trade Fox.

A crap ton will change from the beginning of the season until December vs now until training camp. It’s important Morey doesn’t give in to the pressure.

yuuby · Post #606 » by **yuuby** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:02 am

Morey is washed. His biggest mistake was trying to lowball Houston in the Harden trade negotiations. He should have gave them everything for Harden. It would have two purposes, stopping an unbeatable superteam from forming in Brooklyn while also leading us to championship contention status. Sadly Morey and his excel "value" charts held him back from throwing in the unprotected picks that Houston wanted. Such a shame. Now he is stuck in a no win situtation with a bum on an albatross contract. Thanks Morey, you are more washed than Doc Rivers.

KramerDSP · Post #607 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:04 am

yuuby wrote:Morey is washed. His biggest mistake was trying to lowball Houston in the Harden trade negotiations. He should have gave them everything for Harden. It would have two purposes, stopping an unbeatable superteam from forming in Brooklyn while also leading us to championship contention status. Sadly Morey and his excel "value" charts held him back from throwing in the unprotected picks that Houston wanted. Such a shame. Now he is stuck in a no win situtation with a bum on an albatross contract. Thanks Morey, you are more washed than Doc Rivers.

We missed you!

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #608 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:09 am

Has the term "washed" morphed into another meaning for "bad" at this point? I always thought "washed" meant a guy had nothing left. "By the 12 round, the fight was washed." How can Morey....A GM....Be washed?

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #609 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:10 am

yuuby wrote:Morey is washed. His biggest mistake was trying to lowball Houston in the Harden trade negotiations. He should have gave them everything for Harden. It would have two purposes, stopping an unbeatable superteam from forming in Brooklyn while also leading us to championship contention status. Sadly Morey and his excel "value" charts held him back from throwing in the unprotected picks that Houston wanted. Such a shame. Now he is stuck in a no win situtation with a bum on an albatross contract. Thanks Morey, you are more washed than Doc Rivers.

You keep saying "washed", I do not think you know what that term actually means. You are using it incorrectly. Stop posting like a teenager please.

ConstableChaos · Post #610 » by **ConstableChaos** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:20 am

DOOMSDAY

Simmons doesn't report to training camp and remains untraded going in to the season and doesn't play games. Season starts, Embiid injures his already injured meniscus and requires season ending surgery. :/

KramerDSP · Post #611 » by **KramerDSP** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:25 am

ConstableChaos wrote:DOOMSDAY

Simmons doesn't report to training camp and remains untraded going in to the season and doesn't play games. Season starts, Embiid injures his already injured meniscus and requires season ending surgery. :/

Tank the season and hope like hell that we get Chet or Banchero.

Bum Adebayo · Post #612 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:32 am

Simmons has (and had) less trade value than most Sixers fans thought he had, as simple as that.
This is not Morey's fault, it is Simmons fault for using dirty tactics to force a trade inmimently instead of just shutting up, waiting and increasing his value by going off before the all star game as he always does.

eyeatoma · Post #613 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 1:53 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Simmons has (and had) less trade value than most Sixers fans thought he had, as simple as that.
This is not Morey's fault, it is Simmons fault for using dirty tactics to force a trade inmimently instead of just shutting up, waiting and increasing his value by going off before the all star game as he always does.

This

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babyjax13 · Post #614 » by **babyjax13** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 2:04 am

KramerDSP wrote:Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson and a lottery protected first?

If we could somehow pry Mobley from Cleveland, I’d be all over that.

We don't have a first to trade, but it would be tragic for Philly if that's what they got - I love me some Joe and Jordan - but...damn.

HotelVitale · Post #615 » by **HotelVitale** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 2:12 am

BNelley24 wrote:I truly think Morey will hold onto Ben until near the trade deadline. I don’t think he cares about the optics, agent relationship etc. if it takes until the deadline then so be it. By then it’s probably going to be a lot easier to get a deal done. Most teams are probably optimistic about the season. They’re eager to watch their rookies etc. By the deadline the contenders will be separated from the pretenders. Who knows, maybe then the Kings see Davion as their future core piece and decide to trade Fox. A crap ton will change from the beginning of the season until December vs now until training camp. It’s important Morey doesn’t give in to the pressure.

That would have seemed crazy to me a few days ago but rn I'm not seeing any realistic offers that don't make the team way worse, so waiting until the landscape changes and some teams get more desperate etc seems like it's the only play. Obviously depends on what the actual offers are now and which ones will arise from now until camp, but it's very possible that's the consensus move.

It's pretty wild idea, though. Has something like that ever happened? Healthy guy on a max, with 4 years left, on a good team, without someone stealing minutes and without any major team drama--sitting out the bulk of a season and hurting both him and the team cuz vibes are bad?

Negrodamus · Post #616 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 2:32 am

KramerDSP wrote:Joe Ingles, Jordan Clarkson and a lottery protected first?

If we could somehow pry Mobley from Cleveland, I’d be all over that.

These are two completely different valuation. One is a collection of role players with a mediocre pick and the other is the #3 pick in this past draft.

stormi · Post #617 » by **stormi** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 2:45 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Simmons has (and had) less trade value than most Sixers fans thought he had, as simple as that.
This is not Morey's fault, it is Simmons fault for using dirty tactics to force a trade inmimently instead of just shutting up, waiting and increasing his value by going off before the all star game as he always does.

Simmons camp was mute until Embiid came out and said Ben wasn't answering his phone calls.

eyeatoma · Post #618 » by **eyeatoma** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 3:02 am

stormi wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Simmons has (and had) less trade value than most Sixers fans thought he had, as simple as that.
This is not Morey's fault, it is Simmons fault for using dirty tactics to force a trade inmimently instead of just shutting up, waiting and increasing his value by going off before the all star game as he always does.

Simmons camp was mute until Embiid came out and said Ben wasn't answering his phone calls.

Umm, when did Jo say that?

TYO23 · Post #619 » by **TYO23** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 3:15 am

I’m actually in agreement with Barkley. We can trade him but I’m not accepting an awful offer. He can sit out until December or whatever but I’m not accepting Beasley and picks or some other trash offer. Don’t give a damn what Klutch wants.

stormi · Post #620 » by **stormi** » Fri Sep 3, 2021 3:17 am

eyeatoma wrote:
stormi wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Simmons has (and had) less trade value than most Sixers fans thought he had, as simple as that.
This is not Morey's fault, it is Simmons fault for using dirty tactics to force a trade inmimently instead of just shutting up, waiting and increasing his value by going off before the all star game as he always does.

Simmons camp was mute until Embiid came out and said Ben wasn't answering his phone calls.

Umm, when did Jo say that?

Read on Twitter

This is when the Ben smear campaign re-ignited and continued up until Embiid had to come out publicly and gaslight the entire situation.