SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

[PhilasFinest]

I'll pass on okafor easily. He's injury prone and im Not paying that money for him.
If we trade iguodala for Jefferson, I'd take on Ariza.

[The Sixer Fixer]

I would take Okafor AND Ariza along with the 10th pick if we can pawn off Thad Young onto his hometown team.

Was reading some stuff about Okafor and some people think his injuries are going to be an issue for him going forward. Basically implying he's not the same guy and will probably continue to miss time. I don't think I want him at his cost for the next 2 years.

[bebopdeluxe]

maybe they like ariza or okafor..I dont know one way or the other. I know they dont like Biedrins tho. No one does, including GSW.

I dont see them coming out of this draft with multiple first round picks...they are definitely trying to take the next step and not rebuild by getting younger. You may not agree with that strategy......but thats their intent.

The biggest concern I have with this is that if you trade Iguodala and get back a player like Jefferson, who only has a year left on their contract, is that there contract is going to be up before the sixers are legit contenders. I believe that this team is still at least a year or two away and this draft is deeper than it has been in most years. Also, outside of Dwill, there isn't that much appeal to the free agents this year. I'd rather come away with 2 first rounders this year and then start targeting vets next year.

With that being said, I believe that Utah acquired Jefferson from Minn. for only a second round pick because they wanted to dump salary. If the sixers amnestied Brand and then were able to acquire Jefferson for a second round pick, I believe that would be a great move. Then, you could still move Iguodala to a team like N.O. for Ariza and the 10th pick. With 10 and 15, you come away with Hensen and Rivers and you look like this:

Dru
Turner/ Rivers
Ariza/ Thad
Allen/ Hensen
Jefferson/ Vucevic

This team wouldn't contend next year, but with Jefferson coming off the books next year, you have the flexibility to players in FA next year. Combine that with the 2013 draft pick that you could trade for a vet and the team could be a legit contender in 2013/2014 season.

I think that it is VERY dangerous to make moves this summer with an eye on being a big player in FA next summer...I am just not convinced that the kind of high-end unrestricted FA's that you would want to target with that cap room are going to choose to come to Philly. Those players are going to go to teams where the road to the championship is the easiest...and my guess is that if the Sixers make personnel decisions this summer that will put them in the best position next summer to be players in FA, I am not expecting a 50-55-win team that goes as deep in the playoffs as they did this year.

I would rather 1) target a great-fitting restricted FA that may not get matched by his existing team (like Anderson or McGee), as those guys may be more drive by getting their $$$ from WHOEVER will give it to them; and/or 2) get multiple picks in the top 15, and hoep that you hit it big. I am afraid that if we put all of our eggs in the 2013 FA basket, we may be setting ourselves up for a big fail.

[bebopdeluxe]

I would take Okafor AND Ariza along with the 10th pick if we can pawn off Thad Young onto his hometown team.

This.

[Gsraider]

id take jefferson over pau as he is like 5 years younger... thats a full contract length of time... plus we have options with him expiring after next year

If Philly prefers to acquire someone like this, rather than draft picks, then I would agree on Jefferson over Pau because of the age differential, the contract options, and because I think Jefferson can play. Perhaps it was just me, but even though SA dispatched Utah in 4, Jefferson looked pretty good during that series when I was watching, plus he's pretty solid in general.

Sure, this is not ideal and Philly would have to then acquire a certain type of player to play alongside Jefferson, but given the choice, he's the one I would pick. Not 3 years ago perhaps, but now.

[bebopdeluxe]

I don't get the man-crush on Jefferson. He does not fit the philosophy of this team.

Will he improve our offense? Sure. But unless you think he is a cornerstone of our future, why would we trade our single best bargaining chip to get him? I would MUCH rather get a top-8 pick (and the best ancillary players involved) for Iguodala than players like Jefferson, who do NOTHING as it relates to building the foundation for the future. I would argue that you would be better off KEEPING Iguodala, seeing if you could get #10 out of NOH with either Brand or Thad, and if EITHER 10 or 15 turns out to be an upgrade at their respective position (either a stud low-post defender or scoring wing), you would be in better shape than getting Jefferson.

[Kobblehead]

I don't get the man-crush on Jefferson. He does not fit the philosophy of this team.

Will he improve our offense? Sure. But unless you think he is a cornerstone of our future, why would we trade our single best bargaining chip to get him? I would MUCH rather get a top-8 pick (and the best ancillary players involved) for Iguodala than players like Jefferson, who do NOTHING as it relates to building the foundation for the future. I would argue that you would be better off KEEPING Iguodala, seeing if you could get #10 out of NOH with either Brand or Thad, and if EITHER 10 or 15 turns out to be an upgrade at their respective position (either a stud low-post defender or scoring wing), you would be in better shape than getting Jefferson.

I think alot of people are praying to get the "Zach Randolph in Memphis" effect with Big Al. Where it just clicks and he finally starts contributing towards winning. I agree with you though. I may lean towards keeping Iguodala at this point.

[KrazySixersD]

yet, someone drafted jefferson way above iggy in our drafting thing... lol...

jefferson is the same age as iggy, is a 20 point 10 rebound BIG...

im sorry but i dont see how thats not worth more than a wing player who scores 12 points and plays great defense on the wing

[PhilasFinest]

Al Jefferson's teams have generally been awful aside from Utah.
If he's put on a decent team I think he would flourish much like Randolph.

Saying he sucks because Utah got swept by the spurs isn't a valid argument. The spurs would swept an Andre iguodala led Sixers too.

[sixerfan1976]

i agree....if you can get jefferson and earl watson for andre you do it.

i probably try for gasol first..but jefferson is a nice consolation prize.

then you need to find a scoring guard or SF with the amnesty of brand.

take best available at 15 and go from there. if you want to move up a little to get a guy you like..fine.....

thats how i would do it..would be completely happy with gasol or jefferson to be honest......

[JordanMars]

Will the sixers even make a offer at Lou??? Even if it was reasonable at say 6-7 million a year? Or is he a goner.Lou is a very good scorer. we would be in the lottery without him.

[PhilasFinest]

i agree....if you can get jefferson and earl watson for andre you do it.

i probably try for gasol first..but jefferson is a nice consolation prize.

then you need to find a scoring guard or SF with the amnesty of brand.

take best available at 15 and go from there. if you want to move up a little to get a guy you like..fine.....

thats how i would do it..would be completely happy with gasol or jefferson to be honest......

+1.

Iguodala isn't netting up a top 5 pick, or superstar. People need to realize this.

[bebopdeluxe]

I don't get the man-crush on Jefferson. He does not fit the philosophy of this team.

Will he improve our offense? Sure. But unless you think he is a cornerstone of our future, why would we trade our single best bargaining chip to get him? I would MUCH rather get a top-8 pick (and the best ancillary players involved) for Iguodala than players like Jefferson, who do NOTHING as it relates to building the foundation for the future. I would argue that you would be better off KEEPING Iguodala, seeing if you could get #10 out of NOH with either Brand or Thad, and if EITHER 10 or 15 turns out to be an upgrade at their respective position (either a stud low-post defender or scoring wing), you would be in better shape than getting Jefferson.

I think alot of people are praying to get the "Zach Randolph in Memphis" effect with Big Al. Where it just clicks and he finally starts contributing towards winning. I agree with you though. I may lean towards keeping Iguodala at this point.

Zach Randolph turning his game around in Memphis - given everything that he had shown up until then - was like pulling an inside straight on the river card to win a pot when you were down to your last chip. If THAT is the thought process behind trading for Jefferson, I'll pass. He's a nice player. He would be an upgrade to our low-post game. But his overall defense does not seem to fit what Curry likes to do with our defense (i.e. I doubt that he will be getting any NBA All-Defense votes any time soon), and - if we are going to trade for him - are we going to re-sign him when his contract runs out?

Structurally - looking at where this team is right now as well as where I want it to be in 2-3 years - this is a lateral move AT BEST, IMO.

[KrazySixersD]

jefferson's defense improved this year... people arent giving him credit for that... not saying hes a defensive beast now, but he improved

and theres a report the kings might not extend tyreke evans... wow so many options

im dying to trade up in this draft now though

[bebopdeluxe]

i agree....if you can get jefferson and earl watson for andre you do it.

i probably try for gasol first..but jefferson is a nice consolation prize.

then you need to find a scoring guard or SF with the amnesty of brand.

take best available at 15 and go from there. if you want to move up a little to get a guy you like..fine.....

thats how i would do it..would be completely happy with gasol or jefferson to be honest......

Initially I was on board with trading Iguodala for Gasol...but as I think about what I want to get for Iguodala, trading the last 2 years of his deal for the last two years of Gasol's deal (or Jefferson's deal) gets us what? Do either of those guys get this roster to the ECF? I doubt it. And what happens in two years when their contracts run out? Are you re-signing them? I sure as hell ain't gonna do it. Will either of those guys fit the roster better? Yes...but unless you can get the the ECF with a legit shot to win, how does that move the ball down the field? If we make a deal for either Gasol or Jefferson, assuming that Rose comes back at close to the player that he was, I see Chicago, Indiana and Miami still all clearly better than us...so what is the point of adding Gasol?

[JordanMars]

ET for Tyreke Evans

Iggy for Gasol

Amnesty Brand for Humphries plus Matt Barnes

Resign lou at 7-8 mill

PG-Jrue,Lou
SG-Evans
SF-Barnes
PF-HUMPHRIES,Thad,Lavoy
C-Jefferson

[Kobblehead]

How much fire does Gasol have left in his belly? He's a two time champ in L.A. leaving all that behind to come to the East with a team trying to burst into being a contender. At this point of his career, does Gasol have enough motivation to be worth acquiring?

[KrazySixersD]

if we are trading for a big... do it for jefferson as he is 5 years younger

i really wish we would just blow it up and get like 3 top 15 picks in this draft and rebuild with that and 2 of jrue, turner, and iguodala

[Gsraider]

I don't get the man-crush on Jefferson. He does not fit the philosophy of this team.

Will he improve our offense? Sure. But unless you think he is a cornerstone of our future, why would we trade our single best bargaining chip to get him? I would MUCH rather get a top-8 pick (and the best ancillary players involved) for Iguodala than players like Jefferson, who do NOTHING as it relates to building the foundation for the future. I would argue that you would be better off KEEPING Iguodala, seeing if you could get #10 out of NOH with either Brand or Thad, and if EITHER 10 or 15 turns out to be an upgrade at their respective position (either a stud low-post defender or scoring wing), you would be in better shape than getting Jefferson.

If you read my post, I'm not suggesting that Philly does this. I was just saying that if Philly has decided that they are going after a veteran big instead of draft picks (and yes, they'll be the ones making the call, not us), I would rather have Jefferson than Pau, particularly at this stage in their careers. I would be fine going after picks, but if Sixerfan is correct, the front office wants a veteran at a position of need for Iguodala instead. Who cares if we as fans agree?

[Ming]

i agree....if you can get jefferson and earl watson for andre you do it.

i probably try for gasol first..but jefferson is a nice consolation prize.

then you need to find a scoring guard or SF with the amnesty of brand.

take best available at 15 and go from there. if you want to move up a little to get a guy you like..fine.....

thats how i would do it..would be completely happy with gasol or jefferson to be honest......

Initially I was on board with trading Iguodala for Gasol...but as I think about what I want to get for Iguodala, trading the last 2 years of his deal for the last two years of Gasol's deal (or Jefferson's deal) gets us what? Do either of those guys get this roster to the ECF? I doubt it. And what happens in two years when their contracts run out? Are you re-signing them? I sure as hell ain't gonna do it. Will either of those guys fit the roster better? Yes...but unless you can get the the ECF with a legit shot to win, how does that move the ball down the field? If we make a deal for either Gasol or Jefferson, assuming that Rose comes back at close to the player that he was, I see Chicago, Indiana and Miami still all clearly better than us...so what is the point of adding Gasol?

+1

SF why would you be happy with such move? Do you believe they will be a contender with Gasol?