2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

ProcessDoctor · Post #621 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:38 pm

Ball is definitely #1 on my list for this team. Like others have said, he complements Biid/Simmons so well and just plays basketball the right way. Add a scoring guard next to him like a Beal/CJM type and were set for a long time. I wouldn't be upset with Fultz or Jackson, but I don't think their fit and/or style of play will translate as well at the next level.

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Kobblehead · Post #622 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:01 pm

Florida vs. FSU today at 4pm on ESPNU

If you haven't gotten a chance to see Jonathan Isaac yet, today would be a good chance.

dkj5061 · Post #623 » by **dkj5061** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:51 pm

sixers238 wrote:Ball is definitely #1 on my list for this team. Like others have said, he complements Biid/Simmons so well and just plays basketball the right way. Add a scoring guard next to him like a Beal/CJM type and were set for a long time. I wouldn't be upset with Fultz or Jackson, but I don't think their fit and/or style of play will translate as well at the next level.

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If only he shot a basketball the right way, he would be perfect hahaha

Kobblehead · Post #624 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 4:12 pm

Jeremy Morgan from Northern Iowa is worth paying attention too.

He's a 2-way player with an insane shooting stroke. 6'5" and 295 or so pounds. He just dropped 38 last night.

He's a senior (gasp) but don't worry, he was draftable as a sophomore and I would have taken him in the 1st as a junior.

Ericb5 · Post #625 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:15 pm

eagereyez wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:I like Lonzo Ball, but I'm sorry I just can't ignore that shooting form. I don't care if he is shooting 90% from downtown in college, logic tells me he won't continue to maintain his current percentage with that form, or at least won't maintain it at the NBA level.

Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I'm certainly not betting my future on it if we get the #1 pick, that's for sure. This is a loaded draft, I'm not taking a dude who shoots like that #1. If we are picking 4 or 5 I'll say take the chance, but not #1.

And for the record I wouldn't take Josh Jackson #1 either. His shooting form is even worse. Dude double clutches and shoots from his throat. Having to watch that for 5-10 years as a Sixers fan will basically drive me to become bulimic, because I'd be constantly vomiting every time I watched him shoot.

Remember that we already have two future stars, and our 2017 pick doesn't need to be someone to build around. They just need to be someone that compliments our stars.

Ball won't be expected to score 25 points a game. Embiid will be our leading scorer most likely no matter who we draft.

Ball is looking like a pretty great compliment though. I wouldn't be disappointed with Fultz or Jackson either, but Ball might be the best compliment. If he can just hit open shots then he could be perfect for us.

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Complement. A compliment is when you give praise to someone. I've seen this word misused so often that it's beginning to make my eye twitch.

Lol, trust me. I'm the worlds worst speller. I know that they are two different words, but I assure you that I couldn't spell either of them.

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Ericb5 · Post #626 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:18 pm

LongLiveHinkie wrote:
Ericb5 wrote:
LongLiveHinkie wrote:I like Lonzo Ball, but I'm sorry I just can't ignore that shooting form. I don't care if he is shooting 90% from downtown in college, logic tells me he won't continue to maintain his current percentage with that form, or at least won't maintain it at the NBA level.

Who knows, maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I'm certainly not betting my future on it if we get the #1 pick, that's for sure. This is a loaded draft, I'm not taking a dude who shoots like that #1. If we are picking 4 or 5 I'll say take the chance, but not #1.

And for the record I wouldn't take Josh Jackson #1 either. His shooting form is even worse. Dude double clutches and shoots from his throat. Having to watch that for 5-10 years as a Sixers fan will basically drive me to become bulimic, because I'd be constantly vomiting every time I watched him shoot.

Remember that we already have two future stars, and our 2017 pick doesn't need to be someone to build around. They just need to be someone that compliments our stars.

Ball won't be expected to score 25 points a game. Embiid will be our leading scorer most likely no matter who we draft.

Ball is looking like a pretty great compliment though. I wouldn't be disappointed with Fultz or Jackson either, but Ball might be the best compliment. If he can just hit open shots then he could be perfect for us.

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If we are picking top 5, I want another future star. You can never have enough, I don't care how good you are. The Warriors thought 3 wasn't enough, went out and got a 4th. Give me the guy with the absolute best chance of being a superstar. Always and forever. You can add ancillary pieces with the other picks or via free agency. And maybe Ball will be a superstar, and if he is, great.

I totally agree if the prospects are in different tiers, but if they are all jumbled up, then you can factor in the fit with the team.

I think that Ball will be a star too btw.

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Ericb5 · Post #627 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:20 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Florida vs. FSU today at 4pm on ESPNU

If you haven't gotten a chance to see Jonathan Isaac yet, today would be a good chance.

Looking forward to it. I haven't seen him yet.

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Post #628 » by **Marcus** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:21 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Jeremy Morgan from Northern Iowa is worth paying attention too.

He's a 2-way player with an insane shooting stroke. 6'5" and 295 or so pounds. He just dropped 38 last night.

He's a senior (gasp) but don't worry, he was draftable as a sophomore and I would have taken him in the 1st as a junior.

Is he 205 or 215? 295 looks like a typo.

Ericb5 · Post #629 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:23 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
76thBearCub wrote:
Unbreakable99 wrote:Lonzo is BALLin. See what I did there? I love him. The only knock on him at this point is he doesn't drive enough. He stands around and shoots threes. He doesn't even look to drive to score and the few times he does it's to kick it out to a teammate.

Sounds like the perfect fit with Simmons and Embiid.

I get that but I don't want a one dimensional scorer. I want him to have multiple ways to score in the half court. Like I said I still love him but him hardly driving is somewhat a concern. The more offensive arsenals you have the better. He seems to have the handles and athleticism to drive because he does it from time to time to setup his teammates. I'd just like him to drive to score to add to his game.

He isn't a scorer though. He is a true point guard that can defend and shoot.

You can pair him with a smaller scoring guard that can freelance more.

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Kobblehead · Post #630 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:32 pm

Marcus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Jeremy Morgan from Northern Iowa is worth paying attention too.

He's a 2-way player with an insane shooting stroke. 6'5" and 295 or so pounds. He just dropped 38 last night.

He's a senior (gasp) but don't worry, he was draftable as a sophomore and I would have taken him in the 1st as a junior.

Is he 205 or 215? 295 looks like a typo.

Yeah, meant 195. A little light in terms of guarding NBA shooting guards, but I think he has the effort, ability, instincts and hands to be a 2-way player in the league. He's been a really good defender for years at Northern Iowa.

Negrodamus · Post #631 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:01 pm

Marcus wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Jeremy Morgan from Northern Iowa is worth paying attention too.

He's a 2-way player with an insane shooting stroke. 6'5" and 295 or so pounds. He just dropped 38 last night.

He's a senior (gasp) but don't worry, he was draftable as a sophomore and I would have taken him in the 1st as a junior.

Is he 205 or 215? 295 looks like a typo.

295. He has very dense bones.

Kobblehead · Post #632 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:41 pm

@negrodamus

You worried about Hofstra? They have an elite rebounder in Rokas Gustys. Also a couple of slingers in Bernardi and Pemberton.

Negrodamus · Post #633 » by **Negrodamus** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:53 pm

Kobblehead wrote:@negrodamus

You worried about Hofstra? They have an elite rebounder in Rokas Gustys. Also a couple of slingers in Bernardi and Pemberton.

I'm actually at the game. The only thing I've been worried about is beating them by 30+.

eagereyez · Post #634 » by **eagereyez** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:19 am

Watch on YouTube

Negrodamus · Post #635 » by **Negrodamus** » Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:29 pm

Keep an eye on PJ Dozier while Thornwell is suspended for USC. He's stepping in as the main scorer and could start to blow up stats-wise. He's already a plus defender.

eagereyez · Post #636 » by **eagereyez** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:58 am

So with Giles sliding down everyone's board due to not playing, he could potentially be someone available with the LA pick. He's supposedly a great defender and can shoot the 3. An interesting potential line-up is Fultz/Ball, scrub, Simmons, Giles, and Embiid.

Post #637 » by **Marcus** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:04 am

eagereyez wrote:So with Giles sliding down everyone's board due to not playing, he could potentially be someone available with the LA pick. He's supposedly a great defender and can shoot the 3. An interesting potential line-up is Fultz/Ball, scrub, Simmons, Giles, and Embiid.

good size, great motor, good passer, can handle a little, needs work in the post, rim protection potential is high, rebounding potential is high, some faceup potential but shooting the 3 is not quite in his game yet, probably more midrange and show and go at this point. Hopefully he can get his bounce back.

gags1288 · Post #638 » by **gags1288** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:20 am

[quote="eagereyez"]So with Giles sliding down everyone's board due to not playing, he could potentially be someone available with the LA pick. He's supposedly a great defender and can shoot the 3. An interesting potential line-up is Fultz/Ball, scrub, Simmons, Giles, and Embiid.[/quote]

He'll be back next game. If he stays healthy, I have a hard time believing he won't be a top 5 pick. But if he's available at the Lakers pick, I think you have to take him. In my view, he's a Towns/Davis level pf prospect. Agreed with the poster above though, 3 point shooting isn't a part of his repertoire at this point.

Ericb5 · Post #639 » by **Ericb5** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:22 am

gags1288 wrote:
eagereyez wrote:So with Giles sliding down everyone's board due to not playing, he could potentially be someone available with the LA pick. He's supposedly a great defender and can shoot the 3. An interesting potential line-up is Fultz/Ball, scrub, Simmons, Giles, and Embiid.

He'll be back next game. If he stays healthy, I have a hard time believing he won't be a top 5 pick. But if he's available at the Lakers pick, I think you have to take him. In my view, he's a Towns/Davis level pf prospect. Agreed with the poster above though, 3 point shooting isn't a part of his repertoire at this point.

Unless the medical reports are horrible, I would take him in a heartbeat with the Lakers pick. I CAN'T believe that he would go lower than 5 though.

Maybe he could go 6 if the knees are still limiting him, and Tatum and Smith really come on strong.

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Unbreakable99 · Post #640 » by **Unbreakable99** » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:10 am

If Giles is sitting there and we are on the clock with the Lakers pick I might trade the pick to a team with a good veteran back court or wing player. It would need to be a team that needs to make a move and wants to shake things up. For example I may trade it to Portland for McCollum. I know Portland loves McCollum and they see themselves as a light splash brothers but if they get bounced early again they may want to make a move. Giles could have that star status enough to make them take a chance on the next Chris Webber on who I read that is Giles' comparison. Or maybe get Utah in a 3 team trade and get Haywood. I want guards and wings. We have our front court in Simmons and Embiid. I didn't say I would make the trades but I would think about it and see what it's worth to get a good veteran who plays outside 18 feet.