2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[Kobblehead]

Taking a great athlete with shooting skill isn't the worst strategy when it comes to the draft.

I just think the best route to take to get to the point where you're perennially contending is to fill up your roster with defensive players with a reasonable amount of offensive ability.

Malik Monk will probably find a nice niche in this league. Like Zach Lavine has. Like Malik Beasley might. Like Ben McLemore should have. But I don't think that kind of player will ever be a catalyst for winning basketball. That's a supplemental piece you add after you have your 2-way core, IMO.

[SelfishPlayer]

The Kentucky short shooting guard thing hasn't worked too well in the NBA yet from my observation.

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[Kobblehead]

I saw that L.J. Peak is in the batch of players the Sixers are bringing in for a workout. He's an interesting developmental project.

Great size, defensive ability to be tapped into, nice ball skills to be harnessed, shooting skill that can be tweaked.

Ideally, you'd want a more polished player from a guy that spent three years in school, but he wouldn't be the worst 2nd round pick. There's enough tools in that package to potentially develop a 2-way starting caliber player. If he's all there, intangibly, I'd be fine with pulling the trigger and letting the staff go to work on him.

I'd rather roll the dice on prospects like him than take a 1 tool shooter or big that can't rebound or protect the rim. Even if he winds up busting, I'm fine with striking out on someone I deem as the right kind of prospect.

[PhilBlackson]

If there is a deal of 5 & 10 on the table for 3, need to be all over that!!

Especially if it really is only to grab Fox.

To be able to come out with one of Jackson/Tatum and DS Jr, Monk or Ntilikina (who I think is actually very close to being as good as Fox) would be an insane haul! Colangelo needs to redeem himself for all the terrible decisions he made in Toronto and do this deal!

Just the thought...*in a best case scenario

DS Jr
Jackson
Porter Jr (in FA)
Simmons
Embiid

Holy crap would you ever be set. The only concern is the money to keep all these guys but given the garbage they allowed for the past decade they can come out of pocket to make it up to the fans. Nevermind there is still chance to pick up one of Frank Jackson or Jawun Evans then possibly guys like Dozier, Bell, Bacon, Kuzma...talk about an embarrassment of riches.

Hinkie died so this franchise could be brought back to life...don't mess this up BC!

[Eyeamok]

If there is a deal of 5 & 10 on the table for 3, need to be all over that!!

Especially if it really is only to grab Fox.

To be able to come out with one of Jackson/Tatum and DS Jr, Monk or Ntilikina (who I think is actually very close to being as good as Fox) would be an insane haul! Colangelo needs to redeem himself for all the terrible decisions he made in Toronto and do this deal!

Just the thought...*in a best case scenario

DS Jr
Jackson
Porter Jr (in FA)
Simmons
Embiid

Holy crap would you ever be set. The only concern is the money to keep all these guys but given the garbage they allowed for the past decade they can come out of pocket to make it up to the fans. Nevermind there is still chance to pick up one of Frank Jackson or Jawun Evans then possibly guys like Dozier, Bell, Bacon, Kuzma...talk about an embarrassment of riches.

Hinkie died so this franchise could be brought back to life...don't mess this up BC!

Usually your past behavior is a good indication of what you will do in the future. And as much as I would like to get 2 picks for 1. I'm not hanging my hat on BC being able to pull that off. It's like that game of zones episode where he says "I got a first round pick of Nerlens." Yeah No !!!

[Chris76]

If there is a deal of 5 & 10 on the table for 3, need to be all over that!!

Especially if it really is only to grab Fox.

To be able to come out with one of Jackson/Tatum and DS Jr, Monk or Ntilikina (who I think is actually very close to being as good as Fox) would be an insane haul! Colangelo needs to redeem himself for all the terrible decisions he made in Toronto and do this deal!

Just the thought...*in a best case scenario

DS Jr
Jackson
Porter Jr (in FA)
Simmons
Embiid

Holy crap would you ever be set. The only concern is the money to keep all these guys but given the garbage they allowed for the past decade they can come out of pocket to make it up to the fans. Nevermind there is still chance to pick up one of Frank Jackson or Jawun Evans then possibly guys like Dozier, Bell, Bacon, Kuzma...talk about an embarrassment of riches.

Hinkie died so this franchise could be brought back to life...don't mess this up BC!

Usually your past behavior is a good indication of what you will do in the future. And as much as I would like to get 2 picks for 1. I'm not hanging my hat on BC being able to pull that off. It's like that game of zones episode where he says "I got a first round pick of Nerlens." Yeah No !!!

Hinkie was so intriguing that you were shocked after his trades. He would be trading forward not backwards, now. He would trade the #3 for an established star or take Jackson or Ball.

[PhilBlackson]

If there is a deal of 5 & 10 on the table for 3, need to be all over that!!

Especially if it really is only to grab Fox.

To be able to come out with one of Jackson/Tatum and DS Jr, Monk or Ntilikina (who I think is actually very close to being as good as Fox) would be an insane haul! Colangelo needs to redeem himself for all the terrible decisions he made in Toronto and do this deal!

Just the thought...*in a best case scenario

DS Jr
Jackson
Porter Jr (in FA)
Simmons
Embiid

Holy crap would you ever be set. The only concern is the money to keep all these guys but given the garbage they allowed for the past decade they can come out of pocket to make it up to the fans. Nevermind there is still chance to pick up one of Frank Jackson or Jawun Evans then possibly guys like Dozier, Bell, Bacon, Kuzma...talk about an embarrassment of riches.

Hinkie died so this franchise could be brought back to life...don't mess this up BC!

Usually your past behavior is a good indication of what you will do in the future. And as much as I would like to get 2 picks for 1. I'm not hanging my hat on BC being able to pull that off. It's like that game of zones episode where he says "I got a first round pick of Nerlens." Yeah No !!!

Hinkie was so intriguing that you were shocked after his trades. He would be trading forward not backwards, now. He would trade the #3 for an established star or take Jackson or Ball.

That's the thing though about this trade rumour...assuming Ball is taken by the Lakers (which I don't believe for one sec won't happen, smokescreen written all over it) and SAC really does want Fox at 3 then there is a very good chance that Jackson will still be available at 5 and it's not like Tatum would be a bad outcome lol. I really think PHX would lean more towards Tatum because they need another scorer but again he's not a bad a haul and Fox doesn't fit here so really you're looking at the same names at 5 that you were at 3 but now you have an opportunity to add one of Dennis Smith Jr, Monk or Ntilikina just for your troubles lol that's crazy.

I'll say it again, don't be surprised when Ntlikina is very close to being as good as Fox. Fox is the slightly quicker player but FN is the better shooter (which is more needed here) and his defence is just as good. If not you add a lights out shooter like Monk to rain 3s down all night with Korkmaz or *ahem* Dennis Smith Jr....the guy really looks like he's going to be a Lowry/Baron Davis hybrid. If this trade is on the table and Ball or Fultz don't actually drop to #3 then this trade is a no brainer imo.

[Kolkmania]

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Imagine this, sitting in the corner watching Embiid play Madden and dance after every point. That's the kind of commitment we need from our role players, sign this kid!

[HotelVitale]

The Kentucky short shooting guard thing hasn't worked too well in the NBA yet from my observation.]

Yes, because nothing determines NBA success more than wearing the same logo as some other completely different player and lesser prospect did 20+ years ago.

[BigSleep333]

Usually your past behavior is a good indication of what you will do in the future. And as much as I would like to get 2 picks for 1. I'm not hanging my hat on BC being able to pull that off. It's like that game of zones episode where he says "I got a first round pick of Nerlens." Yeah No !!!

Hinkie was so intriguing that you were shocked after his trades. He would be trading forward not backwards, now. He would trade the #3 for an established star or take Jackson or Ball.

That's the thing though about this trade rumour...assuming Ball is taken by the Lakers (which I don't believe for one sec won't happen, smokescreen written all over it) and SAC really does want Fox at 3 then there is a very good chance that Jackson will still be available at 5 and it's not like Tatum would be a bad outcome lol. I really think PHX would lean more towards Tatum because they need another scorer but again he's not a bad a haul and Fox doesn't fit here so really you're looking at the same names at 5 that you were at 3 but now you have an opportunity to add one of Dennis Smith Jr, Monk or Ntilikina just for your troubles lol that's crazy.

I'll say it again, don't be surprised when Ntlikina is very close to being as good as Fox. Fox is the slightly quicker player but FN is the better shooter (which is more needed here) and his defence is just as good. If not you add a lights out shooter like Monk to rain 3s down all night with Korkmaz or *ahem* Dennis Smith Jr....the guy really looks like he's going to be a Lowry/Baron Davis hybrid. If this trade is on the table and Ball or Fultz don't actually drop to #3 then this trade is a no brainer imo.

thats an incredible bad take. fox isnt just slightly quicker than FN. fox is on another level in terms of quickness.

[Negrodamus]

The Kentucky short shooting guard thing hasn't worked too well in the NBA yet from my observation.]

Yes, because nothing determines NBA success more than wearing the same logo as some other completely different player and lesser prospect did 20+ years ago.

Different coach. Different type of player. Different era of basketball. Pretty much nothing the same.

[Kobblehead]

The organizations that are putting a premium on switch versatility from the PF position are begging that Jordan Bell stays under the radar.

[SelfishPlayer]

The Kentucky short shooting guard thing hasn't worked too well in the NBA yet from my observation.]

Yes, because nothing determines NBA success more than wearing the same logo as some other completely different player and lesser prospect did 20+ years ago.

Different coach. Different type of player. Different era of basketball. Pretty much nothing the same.

Jamal Murray...

[cksdayoff]

bell says he can guard 1-5

[the_process]

Why only concentrate on those plays? He has many plays throughout the season.

Josh Jackson is supposedly an athletic freak to his fans, but in reality he's just a quality NBA level athlete for his position similar to Chandler Parsons and Steven Jackson. Bell is an athletic freak, although his arms aren't as long as they need to be for him to be the same sort of shot blocker in the NBA. So Josh Jackson got his shots beat up by someone that IMO will not have much of an NBA career if he has one at all..

I always see you comparing Josh Jackson with Chandler Parsons..

I actually have never heard that comparison except from you.

For the record, are we talking about the same Josh Jackson.

Are you referring to this Josh Jackson?

Did you just bust out a pic of freaking Pacey?!? The ol' lady has been binge watching all those old eps on Hulu recently

[Kobblehead]

bell says he can guard 1-5

James Harden sure as hell can't exploit Bell in a switch like he did Saric.

[Negrodamus]

Yes, because nothing determines NBA success more than wearing the same logo as some other completely different player and lesser prospect did 20+ years ago.

Different coach. Different type of player. Different era of basketball. Pretty much nothing the same.

Jamal Murray...

What about him? Has the book been written on the 19 year old after one year at Denver where many would say he was promising despite being in a saturated backcourt?

[LloydFree]

Usually your past behavior is a good indication of what you will do in the future. And as much as I would like to get 2 picks for 1. I'm not hanging my hat on BC being able to pull that off. It's like that game of zones episode where he says "I got a first round pick of Nerlens." Yeah No !!!

Hinkie was so intriguing that you were shocked after his trades. He would be trading forward not backwards, now. He would trade the #3 for an established star or take Jackson or Ball.

That's the thing though about this trade rumour...assuming Ball is taken by the Lakers (which I don't believe for one sec won't happen, smokescreen written all over it) and SAC really does want Fox at 3 then there is a very good chance that Jackson will still be available at 5 and it's not like Tatum would be a bad outcome lol. I really think PHX would lean more towards Tatum because they need another scorer but again he's not a bad a haul and Fox doesn't fit here so really you're looking at the same names at 5 that you were at 3 but now you have an opportunity to add one of Dennis Smith Jr, Monk or Ntilikina just for your troubles lol that's crazy.

I'll say it again, don't be surprised when Ntlikina is very close to being as good as Fox. Fox is the slightly quicker player but FN is the better shooter (which is more needed here) and his defence is just as good. If not you add a lights out shooter like Monk to rain 3s down all night with Korkmaz or *ahem* Dennis Smith Jr....the guy really looks like he's going to be a Lowry/Baron Davis hybrid. If this trade is on the table and Ball or Fultz don't actually drop to #3 then this trade is a no brainer imo.

Josh Jackson is one of the 2 best players in this draft, if not the best player. There is zero chance he's on the board at #5. He fits Phoenix like a glove and they'd be thanking the heavens, if the 76ers and Kings passed him up.

[SelfishPlayer]

Different coach. Different type of player. Different era of basketball. Pretty much nothing the same.

Jamal Murray...

What about him? Has the book been written on the 19 year old after one year at Denver where many would say he was promising despite being in a saturated backcourt?

Monk can come right in and play off ball right away in the starting lineup with no problems, trust the process, #tankgang

Oh yeah, and Donovan Mitchell is day one plug and play too, they both are perfect with Ben Simmons starting at point guard exploiting his mismatch against these smallish NBA point guards. #tankgang

[Kobblehead]

Josh Jackson is one of the 2 best players in this draft, if not the best player. There is zero chance he's on the board at #5. He fits Phoenix like a glove and they'd be thanking the heavens, if the 76ers and Kings passed him up.

I'm still not convinced Jackson will be on the board at #3, let alone somehow falling to #5.