Summer 2019 Free Agency Thread

[FlyingArrow]

I'm thinking that the apron isn't really the target. I doubt ownership will be willing to go into the tax this year because there's no doubt we will the following year so delaying the repeater clock is important.

I don't see how they can avoid the luxury tax if they're planning to contend. Staying below the apron is a good goal, though, so they can use the BAE and larger MLE. We have that many holes to fill and don't have that many resources to fill them.

Simmons/BAE/2RP
Redick/Zhaire/Shake
Butler/Ennis/1RP
Tobias/Scott/Milton
Embiid/MLE/Boban

That's pretty much what the roster will look like. Another chip we could play is if we pick up Jonathon Simmons' contract and ship him out. He's just about the only way we could match salary on anyone with a $5M+ salary. Our trade exceptions are really small. But we could package JSimmons with a future pick to maybe get a solid rotation player.

It's very unlikely, though, that we are able to re-sign all of those free agents and stay under the apron. Of Ennis, Scott, Redick, and Boban, we will most likely only be able to bring back 3. Or maybe even 2. There's a good chance we can bring back TJ on a minimum contract if we don't find better backup PGs through exceptions and/or the draft.

[PhillyPhilly]

In what way does he operate a level above those guys? Both KCP and Beverely can attack, defend, rebound and assist which imo would benefit this team way more than someone who only shoots threes. In a tight game like game seven against Toronto having a guy who has those skills in his make-up is what can be a deciding factor.

J.J. produces fringe-allstar scoring production at elite level efficiency. None of those guys come close to operating at his level.

And of the list, Beverley is the only guy that actually has comparable intangibles.

I like Terrence Ross, but his basketball IQ is pretty low and this was the first time in his career he actually had a noteworthy season.

I don't mind Jeremy Lamb, but he has a poor motor and he coasts more on his abilities as opposed to relentlessly working hard.

KCP is an unreliable doofus on and off the court. His own agent (LeBron) was dangling him at the deadline. Coaches can't stand him and a lot of teammates dislike him.

I get the desire to replace Redick with a more well-rounded player, but until his game falls off, you're not going to find a player as good as him.

Well of course you'd hold them opinions because you love JJ. But the fact is JJ is a complete liability on the defensive end, barely gets rebounds or assists consistently and can't create his own shot. The top teams exploit that when it's crunch time which is why I believe he should be replaced. Lamb improved loads this season and KCP was a monster for LA in his last ten games or so where he showed he can do everything on the floor, not just shoot threes. Reggie Bullock is also another option too.

[smittybanton]

A) I would retain Bird Rights to Jimmy Butler, but allow Harris to walk.
B) Use our capspace on Nikola Mirotic, Tomas Satoransky, and Thomas Bryant Jr.
C) Use the MLE and our BE on JJ Redick and Mike Scott
D) Re-sign Jimmy Butler
E) Draft 6'11, 233 C from Arkansas, Daniel Gafford

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Nikola Mirotic, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, James Ennis, Thomas Bryant Jr.
Shamorie Ponds, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Jonah Bolden, Daniel Gafford.

[BullyKing]

A) I would retain Bird Rights to Jimmy Butler, but allow Harris to walk.
B) Use our capspace on Nikola Mirotic, Tomas Satoransky, and Thomas Bryant Jr.
C) Use the MLE and our BE on JJ Redick and Mike Scott
D) Re-sign Jimmy Butler
E) Draft 6'11, 233 C from Arkansas, Daniel Gafford

Ben Simmons, JJ Redick, Jimmy Butler, Nikola Mirotic, Joel Embiid
Tomas Satoransky, Zhaire Smith, Mike Scott, James Ennis, Thomas Bryant Jr.
Shamorie Ponds, Shake Milton, Matisse Thybulle, Jonah Bolden, Daniel Gafford.

You could probably split the MLE between Satoransky and Bryant and get both so this is basically trading Harris for Mirotic.

That said, we've almost exclusively talked about using the full MLE on a single player. The idea of splitting it among two is probably worthy of more discussion than we've given it to date.

[Kobblehead]

In what way does he operate a level above those guys? Both KCP and Beverely can attack, defend, rebound and assist which imo would benefit this team way more than someone who only shoots threes. In a tight game like game seven against Toronto having a guy who has those skills in his make-up is what can be a deciding factor.

J.J. produces fringe-allstar scoring production at elite level efficiency. None of those guys come close to operating at his level.

And of the list, Beverley is the only guy that actually has comparable intangibles.

I like Terrence Ross, but his basketball IQ is pretty low and this was the first time in his career he actually had a noteworthy season.

I don't mind Jeremy Lamb, but he has a poor motor and he coasts more on his abilities as opposed to relentlessly working hard.

KCP is an unreliable doofus on and off the court. His own agent (LeBron) was dangling him at the deadline. Coaches can't stand him and a lot of teammates dislike him.

I get the desire to replace Redick with a more well-rounded player, but until his game falls off, you're not going to find a player as good as him.

Well of course you'd hold them opinions because you love JJ. But the fact is JJ is a complete liability on the defensive end, barely gets rebounds or assists consistently and can't create his own shot. The top teams exploit that when it's crunch time which is why I believe he should be replaced. Lamb improved loads this season and KCP was a monster for LA in his last ten games or so where he showed he can do everything on the floor, not just shoot threes. Reggie Bullock is also another option too.

Wrong. I'm pretty indifferent on Redick as a dude.

Again, even if he's not well-rounded, he's a far better player than anyone you mentioned. Buddy Hield isn't well-rounded, either, but he's on another planet as a basketball player than say a well-rounded, lesser player like Delon Wright.

Why would you be impressed by Caldwell-Pope putting up numbers when half of the league is tanking and the other half is resting up for the playoffs? The end of the NBA regular season is preseason level of intensity.

[BullyKing]

J.J. produces fringe-allstar scoring production at elite level efficiency. None of those guys come close to operating at his level.

And of the list, Beverley is the only guy that actually has comparable intangibles.

I like Terrence Ross, but his basketball IQ is pretty low and this was the first time in his career he actually had a noteworthy season.

I don't mind Jeremy Lamb, but he has a poor motor and he coasts more on his abilities as opposed to relentlessly working hard.

KCP is an unreliable doofus on and off the court. His own agent (LeBron) was dangling him at the deadline. Coaches can't stand him and a lot of teammates dislike him.

I get the desire to replace Redick with a more well-rounded player, but until his game falls off, you're not going to find a player as good as him.

Well of course you'd hold them opinions because you love JJ. But the fact is JJ is a complete liability on the defensive end, barely gets rebounds or assists consistently and can't create his own shot. The top teams exploit that when it's crunch time which is why I believe he should be replaced. Lamb improved loads this season and KCP was a monster for LA in his last ten games or so where he showed he can do everything on the floor, not just shoot threes. Reggie Bullock is also another option too.

Wrong. I'm pretty indifferent on Redick as a dude.

Again, even if he's not well-rounded, he's a far better player than anyone you mentioned. Buddy Hield isn't well-rounded, either, but he's on another planet as a basketball player than say a well-rounded, lesser player like Delon Wright.

Why would you be impressed by Caldwell-Pope putting up numbers when half of the league is tanking and the other half is resting up for the playoffs? The end of the NBA regular season is preseason level of intensity.

Doing everything at slightly below average doesn't make you well-rounded, it makes you slightly below average.

[PhillyPhilly]

J.J. produces fringe-allstar scoring production at elite level efficiency. None of those guys come close to operating at his level.

And of the list, Beverley is the only guy that actually has comparable intangibles.

I like Terrence Ross, but his basketball IQ is pretty low and this was the first time in his career he actually had a noteworthy season.

I don't mind Jeremy Lamb, but he has a poor motor and he coasts more on his abilities as opposed to relentlessly working hard.

KCP is an unreliable doofus on and off the court. His own agent (LeBron) was dangling him at the deadline. Coaches can't stand him and a lot of teammates dislike him.

I get the desire to replace Redick with a more well-rounded player, but until his game falls off, you're not going to find a player as good as him.

Well of course you'd hold them opinions because you love JJ. But the fact is JJ is a complete liability on the defensive end, barely gets rebounds or assists consistently and can't create his own shot. The top teams exploit that when it's crunch time which is why I believe he should be replaced. Lamb improved loads this season and KCP was a monster for LA in his last ten games or so where he showed he can do everything on the floor, not just shoot threes. Reggie Bullock is also another option too.

Wrong. I'm pretty indifferent on Redick as a dude.

Again, even if he's not well-rounded, he's a far better player than anyone you mentioned. Buddy Hield isn't well-rounded, either, but he's on another planet as a basketball player than say a well-rounded, lesser player like Delon Wright.

Why would you be impressed by Caldwell-Pope putting up numbers when half of the league is tanking and the other half is resting up for the playoffs? The end of the NBA regular season is preseason level of intensity.

Far better at what though? Shooting threes? Ok, but if that's the case should we sign Kyle Korver for cheaper then? Kcp can score off the dribble, defend better, create his own shot, assist, rebound and can shoot the three too. Oh, and he's nine years younger. Sorry but I see no reason to keep JJ above a guy who could add so much more to the team than a 35 year old guy who can't defend and needs to be schemed open.

[PhillyPhilly]

This team will never progress with a back court consisting of a pg who can't shoot and an sg who can't defend, assist, rebound or create his own shot. We need a more well rounded talent alongside Ben imo.

[BullyKing]

This team will never progress with a back court consisting of a pg who can't shoot and an sg who can't defend, assist, rebound or create his own shot. We need a more well rounded talent alongside Ben imo.

Nobody has disagreed with you on the desire to add a well-rounded guard to the team this offseason. For some reason, you continue to frame it as adding a more defensive guard vs. retaining Redick when people have repeatedly explained why its not an either/or proposition.

[PhillyPhilly]

This team will never progress with a back court consisting of a pg who can't shoot and an sg who can't defend, assist, rebound or create his own shot. We need a more well rounded talent alongside Ben imo.

Nobody has disagreed with you on the desire to add a well-rounded guard to the team this offseason. For some reason, you continue to frame it as adding a more defensive guard vs. retaining Redick when people have repeatedly explained why its not an either/or proposition.

Well actually I keep seeing folks have JJ in their starting line-ups for next season, so they do obviously disagree. It's not even just about the defensive side of things. JJ is limited with his offense too because he can't get to the basket, assist or create his own shot and that was costly In the Toronto series where our offense suffered.

[BullyKing]

This team will never progress with a back court consisting of a pg who can't shoot and an sg who can't defend, assist, rebound or create his own shot. We need a more well rounded talent alongside Ben imo.

Nobody has disagreed with you on the desire to add a well-rounded guard to the team this offseason. For some reason, you continue to frame it as adding a more defensive guard vs. retaining Redick when people have repeatedly explained why its not an either/or proposition.

Well actually I keep seeing folks have JJ in their starting line-ups for next season, so they do obviously disagree. It's not even just about the defensive side of things. JJ is limited with his offense too because he can't get to the basket, assist or create his own shot and that was costly In the Toronto series where our offense suffered.

Who cares about how anyone lists the starting lineup at this point. Our starting lineup was the best in the NBA during the playoffs and Redick is so far down on the list of why we lost that series. It's just laughable that you keep repeating the same generalities over and over again especially when many of them aren't even correct. Your beloved KCP actually averaged less assists per-36 than Redick last season. And regardless of where or how he scored, KCP was decidedly less efficient at doing so than Redick. The only thing KCP has on Redick is that he is a less negative defender. That has value but less value than getting an actually good defender to play offense/defense substitution with Redick in the playoffs.

[Kobblehead]

What I don't understand is that you're putting a lot of value on a guy you perceive to have a well-rounded game, but you're disregarding completely whether or not they're a well-rounded employee.

Caldwell-Pope has a low motor, poor work ethic, questionable character, marginal production, poor efficiency and is generally despised by coaches.

How can anyone possibly think he's a better asset for a team/organization than J.J. Redick?

This is just like when a select group of people wanted to replace Redick with Tyreke Evans this time last year. Another case of missing the bigger picture, in my eyes.

[PhillyPhilly]

Nobody has disagreed with you on the desire to add a well-rounded guard to the team this offseason. For some reason, you continue to frame it as adding a more defensive guard vs. retaining Redick when people have repeatedly explained why its not an either/or proposition.

Well actually I keep seeing folks have JJ in their starting line-ups for next season, so they do obviously disagree. It's not even just about the defensive side of things. JJ is limited with his offense too because he can't get to the basket, assist or create his own shot and that was costly In the Toronto series where our offense suffered.

Who cares about how anyone lists the starting lineup at this point. Our starting lineup was the best in the NBA during the playoffs and Redick is so far down on the list of why we lost that series. It's just laughable that you keep repeating the same generalities over and over again especially when many of them aren't even correct. Your beloved KCP actually averaged less assists per-36 than Redick last season. And regardless of where or how he scored, KCP was decidedly less efficient at doing so than Redick. The only thing KCP has on Redick is that he is a less negative defender. That has value but less value than getting an actually good defender to play offense/defense substitution with Redick in the playoffs.

You're judging KCP on the back of an aversge season In the midst of the Lebron circus where he didn't really catch fire until late in the year. Regardless though having someone like JJ alongside Ben hampers this team imo and whether it's KCP, Beverley, Lamb, Bullock or Ross he needs to be replaced. I know you're the NBA expert and all but even a novice can see that our back court needs improving. JJ is just too one dimensional to move us forward imo.

[PhillyPhilly]

What I don't understand is that you're putting a lot of value on a guy you perceive to have a well-rounded game, but you're disregarding completely whether or not they're a well-rounded employee.

Caldwell-Pope has a low motor, poor work ethic, questionable character, marginal production, poor efficiency and is generally despised by coaches.

How can anyone possibly think he's a better asset for a team/organization than J.J. Redick?

You can try to push dirt on KCP's name all you like. I'm focused on the man's GAME and imo he's a better fit for this team than JJ is. And btw what was Butler's reputation before he came to Philly? Don't always believe the rumors pal.

[BullyKing]

Well actually I keep seeing folks have JJ in their starting line-ups for next season, so they do obviously disagree. It's not even just about the defensive side of things. JJ is limited with his offense too because he can't get to the basket, assist or create his own shot and that was costly In the Toronto series where our offense suffered.

Who cares about how anyone lists the starting lineup at this point. Our starting lineup was the best in the NBA during the playoffs and Redick is so far down on the list of why we lost that series. It's just laughable that you keep repeating the same generalities over and over again especially when many of them aren't even correct. Your beloved KCP actually averaged less assists per-36 than Redick last season. And regardless of where or how he scored, KCP was decidedly less efficient at doing so than Redick. The only thing KCP has on Redick is that he is a less negative defender. That has value but less value than getting an actually good defender to play offense/defense substitution with Redick in the playoffs.

You're judging KCP on the back of an aversge season In the midst of the Lebron circus where he didn't really catch fire until late in the year. Regardless though having someone like JJ alongside Ben hampers this team imo and whether it's KCP, Beverley, Lamb, Bullock or Ross he needs to be replaced. I know you're the NBA expert and all but even novice can see that our back court needs improving. JJ is just too one dimensional to move us forward imo.

Yeah, I'm done with this. You fail to provide any support for your opinions but just continue to repeat the same generalized platitudes. Last year was actually one of KCP's best statistical seasons of his entire career and he was still worthless.

[PhillyPhilly]

Who cares about how anyone lists the starting lineup at this point. Our starting lineup was the best in the NBA during the playoffs and Redick is so far down on the list of why we lost that series. It's just laughable that you keep repeating the same generalities over and over again especially when many of them aren't even correct. Your beloved KCP actually averaged less assists per-36 than Redick last season. And regardless of where or how he scored, KCP was decidedly less efficient at doing so than Redick. The only thing KCP has on Redick is that he is a less negative defender. That has value but less value than getting an actually good defender to play offense/defense substitution with Redick in the playoffs.

You're judging KCP on the back of an aversge season In the midst of the Lebron circus where he didn't really catch fire until late in the year. Regardless though having someone like JJ alongside Ben hampers this team imo and whether it's KCP, Beverley, Lamb, Bullock or Ross he needs to be replaced. I know you're the NBA expert and all but even novice can see that our back court needs improving. JJ is just too one dimensional to move us forward imo.

Yeah, I'm done with this. You fail to provide any support for your opinions but just continue to repeat the same generalized platitudes. Last year was actually one of KCP's best statistical seasons of his entire career and he was still worthless.

He had some good years in Detroit before last season which was what earned that big contract. Regardless though what are mad about? I believe JJ being In the back court with Ben is not positive combination moving forward. Are you saying you disagree? I don't care which of the names I mentioned replaces him I just want him replaced. If you think he should still be starting then yes, you're more than welcome to be "done" with this.

[BullyKing]

You're judging KCP on the back of an aversge season In the midst of the Lebron circus where he didn't really catch fire until late in the year. Regardless though having someone like JJ alongside Ben hampers this team imo and whether it's KCP, Beverley, Lamb, Bullock or Ross he needs to be replaced. I know you're the NBA expert and all but even novice can see that our back court needs improving. JJ is just too one dimensional to move us forward imo.

Yeah, I'm done with this. You fail to provide any support for your opinions but just continue to repeat the same generalized platitudes. Last year was actually one of KCP's best statistical seasons of his entire career and he was still worthless.

He had some good years in Detroit before last season which was what earned that big contract. Regardless though what are mad about? I believe JJ being In the back court with Ben is not positive combination moving forward. Are you saying you disagree? I don't care which of the names I mentioned replaces him I just want him replaced. If you think he should still be starting then yes, you're more than welcome to be "done" with this.

Show me the statistics that demonstrate he had good years in Detroit. He got a big contract because the Lakers were trying to get in the good graces of Klutch. And the reason there is no point in talking with you is because you still cannot grasp the simple concept that if you want KCP so badly, just advocate for him to be the target of the MLE and move Redick to 6th man.

But otherwise, there is no money with which to sign KCP even if you let Redick walk unless your love of him goes so deep that you also want to let one of Harris or Butler walk to make it possible.

[BullyKing]

It's probably at worst an even money proposition as to whether KCP or Zhaire is the better player next year.

[PhillyPhilly]

Yeah, I'm done with this. You fail to provide any support for your opinions but just continue to repeat the same generalized platitudes. Last year was actually one of KCP's best statistical seasons of his entire career and he was still worthless.

He had some good years in Detroit before last season which was what earned that big contract. Regardless though what are mad about? I believe JJ being In the back court with Ben is not positive combination moving forward. Are you saying you disagree? I don't care which of the names I mentioned replaces him I just want him replaced. If you think he should still be starting then yes, you're more than welcome to be "done" with this.

Show me the statistics that demonstrate he had good years in Detroit. He got a big contract because the Lakers were trying to get in the good graces of Klutch. And the reason there is no point in talking with you is because you still cannot grasp the simple concept that if you want KCP so badly, just advocate for him to be the target of the MLE and move Redick to 6th man.

But otherwise, there is no money with which to sign KCP even if you let Redick walk unless your love of him goes so deep that you also want to let one of Harris or Butler walk to make it possible.

Well what if KCP would take 8-10m to come to Philly? Wouldn't that be less than what JJ would get? Also KCP was near on averaging 14 ppg for two or three years before joining LA so lets not act like he was a scrub. If we keep JJ as a sixth man then fine, but we need a new SG to take a step forward and I hope Brand agrees.

[BullyKing]

He had some good years in Detroit before last season which was what earned that big contract. Regardless though what are mad about? I believe JJ being In the back court with Ben is not positive combination moving forward. Are you saying you disagree? I don't care which of the names I mentioned replaces him I just want him replaced. If you think he should still be starting then yes, you're more than welcome to be "done" with this.

Show me the statistics that demonstrate he had good years in Detroit. He got a big contract because the Lakers were trying to get in the good graces of Klutch. And the reason there is no point in talking with you is because you still cannot grasp the simple concept that if you want KCP so badly, just advocate for him to be the target of the MLE and move Redick to 6th man.

But otherwise, there is no money with which to sign KCP even if you let Redick walk unless your love of him goes so deep that you also want to let one of Harris or Butler walk to make it possible.

Well what if KCP would take 8-10m to come to Philly? Wouldn't that be less than what JJ would get? Also KCP was near on averaging 14 ppg for two or three years before joining LA so lets not act like he was a scrub. If we keep JJ as a sixth man then fine, but we need a new SG to take a step forward and I hope Brand agrees.

WE DON'T HAVE CAP SPACE TO SIGN ANYONE FOR ANYTHING UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO LET HARRIS OR BUTLER WALK. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?

And those two years where KCP average 14ppg came with a TS% of 52%. Redick's career TS% is 60% and holding steady. So Redick got you more points more efficiently. And $8-10 million is what people are assuming Redick will get. I don't think anyone is advocating for giving him much, if any, more.