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The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#621 » by voodooguru » Thu Aug 6, 2020 10:03 am

I just listened to Paul Pierce talk about the BS injury and us playing Embiist and Al together in BS's absence.

He said that it would be problematic because both of them do their doings in the paint.

Hang on - didn't we just subtract a player who is incapable of forcing teams to guard him outside the paint, who, once he leaves the high or low post, allows his defender to lean towards the paint and away from him?

Paul Pierce is no Jonathan Swan.

I mean AH has a little midrange game and he's at least a threat to toss up a trey, whereas No Jay Simpson? His only action outside of the post is to set a predictable screen or two that are only mildly more effective than the Kleenex's that Jahlil used to set.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#622 » by True North » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:09 pm

Ben Simmons

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What are the nonsurgical treatment options?

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Nonsurgical treatment includes:

RICE (rest, icing, compression, and elevation)
nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAID), such as ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin)
physical therapy
crutches or a cane to take weight off the knee
braces or casts to immobilize the knee
specialized footwear to decrease pressure on the kneecap
After a patellar subluxation, you have about a 33 percent chance of a recurrence.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#623 » by 76ciology » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:21 pm

Wtf.. i thought mri said it was clean?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#624 » by Negrodamus » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:25 pm

Now is Shake’s time to make a case to be overpaid.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#625 » by 76ciology » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:46 pm

I think he’ll be back for the playoffs.

All our injuries have a purpose. This time it’s for the 6th seed :)
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#626 » by VDT » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:48 pm

Just shut him down for this year.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#627 » by youngcrev » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:52 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Now is Shake’s time to make a case to be overpaid.


Ha. EB won't be here by the time Shake needs a new contract
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#628 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Aug 6, 2020 5:55 pm

Handled & communicated in typical **** organization fashion.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#629 » by NYSixersFan » Thu Aug 6, 2020 6:12 pm

If we had a good coach, I would say our chances have improved without Ben...I have no faith in Brett in playing the right way with Embiid as the focal point....he will continue to push the ball instead of playing slower....he will probably go back to significant minutes with Embiid and Horford.

By the way, didn't Shake sign a long term deal last summer?
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#630 » by HartfordWhalers » Thu Aug 6, 2020 6:21 pm

NYSixersFan wrote:If we had a good coach, I would say our chances have improved without Ben...


That makes sense. I've often said good coaches are defined by those who can do less with more.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#631 » by Sixersftw » Thu Aug 6, 2020 6:56 pm

Cut my life into pieces....

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#632 » by agiaco » Thu Aug 6, 2020 7:10 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
NYSixersFan wrote:If we had a good coach, I would say our chances have improved without Ben...


That makes sense. I've often said good coaches are defined by those who can do less with more.


And a good coach would do a whole hell of a lot more WITH Simmons than without...
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#633 » by mike76 » Thu Aug 6, 2020 7:21 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:
NYSixersFan wrote:If we had a good coach, I would say our chances have improved without Ben...


That makes sense. I've often said good coaches are defined by those who can do less with more.


lol
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#634 » by mike76 » Thu Aug 6, 2020 7:30 pm

voodooguru wrote:I just listened to Paul Pierce talk about the BS injury and us playing Embiist and Al together in BS's absence.

He said that it would be problematic because both of them do their doings in the paint.

Hang on - didn't we just subtract a player who is incapable of forcing teams to guard him outside the paint, who, once he leaves the high or low post, allows his defender to lean towards the paint and away from him?

Paul Pierce is no Jonathan Swan.

I mean AH has a little midrange game and he's at least a threat to toss up a trey, whereas No Jay Simpson? His only action outside of the post is to set a predictable screen or two that are only mildly more effective than the Kleenex's that Jahlil used to set.


if i was a coach and looking for players to surround an elite post-up center that was also an elite rim protector, I would not look to pair him with another immobile center that can't really defend the perimeter, can't really cut off ball, and really loves to take midrangers. That would be an unideal fit.

You would be better off pairing him with a guy that can defend the perimeter and can cut off ball or actually hunts 3s. Horford doesn't do any of those 3 things.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#635 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Aug 6, 2020 7:39 pm

Sixersftw wrote:Cut my life into pieces....

Being a Sixer's fan has to qualify you to be a RN or a physicians assistant.
Being a Sixers fan I'm able to diagnose pretty much everything. If not, just call it gastroenteritis and reevaluate in two weeks.

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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#636 » by kuclas » Thu Aug 6, 2020 8:10 pm

mike76 wrote:
voodooguru wrote:I just listened to Paul Pierce talk about the BS injury and us playing Embiist and Al together in BS's absence.

He said that it would be problematic because both of them do their doings in the paint.

Hang on - didn't we just subtract a player who is incapable of forcing teams to guard him outside the paint, who, once he leaves the high or low post, allows his defender to lean towards the paint and away from him?

Paul Pierce is no Jonathan Swan.

I mean AH has a little midrange game and he's at least a threat to toss up a trey, whereas No Jay Simpson? His only action outside of the post is to set a predictable screen or two that are only mildly more effective than the Kleenex's that Jahlil used to set.


if i was a coach and looking for players to surround an elite post-up center that was also an elite rim protector, I would not look to pair him with another immobile center that can't really defend the perimeter, can't really cut off ball, and really loves to take midrangers. That would be an unideal fit.

You would be better off pairing him with a guy that can defend the perimeter and can cut off ball or actually hunts 3s. Horford doesn't do any of those 3 things.


I’d rather have Horford defending the opposing team’s 4 than Harris. That will be our big problem. Harris is more suited for the 3 but he’s below average defender.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#637 » by PT416 » Thu Aug 6, 2020 9:01 pm

If JoJo can learn to stay out of foul trouble, your team is still stacked and might have better balance with shooters around him.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#638 » by XtremeDunkz » Thu Aug 6, 2020 9:07 pm

PT416 wrote:If JoJo can learn to stay out of foul trouble, your team is still stacked and might have better balance with shooters around him.


Problem is theres no one to guard scoring wings.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#639 » by mike76 » Thu Aug 6, 2020 9:25 pm

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mike76 wrote:
voodooguru wrote:I just listened to Paul Pierce talk about the BS injury and us playing Embiist and Al together in BS's absence.

He said that it would be problematic because both of them do their doings in the paint.

Hang on - didn't we just subtract a player who is incapable of forcing teams to guard him outside the paint, who, once he leaves the high or low post, allows his defender to lean towards the paint and away from him?

Paul Pierce is no Jonathan Swan.

I mean AH has a little midrange game and he's at least a threat to toss up a trey, whereas No Jay Simpson? His only action outside of the post is to set a predictable screen or two that are only mildly more effective than the Kleenex's that Jahlil used to set.


if i was a coach and looking for players to surround an elite post-up center that was also an elite rim protector, I would not look to pair him with another immobile center that can't really defend the perimeter, can't really cut off ball, and really loves to take midrangers. That would be an unideal fit.

You would be better off pairing him with a guy that can defend the perimeter and can cut off ball or actually hunts 3s. Horford doesn't do any of those 3 things.


I’d rather have Horford defending the opposing team’s 4 than Harris. That will be our big problem. Harris is more suited for the 3 but he’s below average defender.


Horford is a better defensive PF than Tobias. That is 100% true.

Tobias defending other opposing SFs though like Tatum and Middleton and maybe Butler would be very unideal though (let alone matching up against LeBron or Kawhi if we even get that far).

And Tobi is going to be difficult to hide considering we are already trying to hide Shake in the backcourt.

The idea of Ben at the 4 is that we could give him the harder frontcourt assignment (the best opposing SF or PF) and hide Tobi on the weaker frontcourt assignment (ideally some one dimensional spot-up shooter where tobi won't get torched off the dribble and can just focus on rebounding). That would have been ideal at least.

We don't have that defensive luxury anymore as Al can't defend 3s. So Tobi will have to guard 3s (which means guys like Middleton, Tatum, and Butler who are all in the All-NBA conversation right now).

Which is why Al at the 4 is going to be a massive problem for us defensively.

Edit: which is why I am possibly for Thybulle starting in place of Simmons rather than Horford. I don't know if Thybulle can defend the Butler's, the Middleton's, and Tatum's of the world without fouling out. He seems better equipped to backcourt assignments and he got torched by Doncic earlier. But I think he stands a better chance than Tobi at those type of assignments.
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Re: The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV 

Post#640 » by eyeatoma » Thu Aug 6, 2020 9:52 pm

The worst part of this is that Brett Brown might stay another year with the excuse that he didn't have Ben for the playoffs. It's like he's got 9 lives or some ****. We can't waste another season of Jojo's prime.

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