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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#621 » by Murray_17 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:55 am

76ciology wrote:Been saying this. Biid should shoot more, and look how much better he is.

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Him shooting more means more contested shots out of doubles in the post, and is a more easy play to double. His efficiency would drop fast

His shot falling is what allows him to get to the line so easily, so is a double no-no.

He's already rellying on an amount of shooting that could come down to earth at any moment, i don't see how this is a benefit.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#622 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:09 am

Murray_17 wrote:
76ciology wrote:Been saying this. Biid should shoot more, and look how much better he is.

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Him shooting more means more contested shots out of doubles in the post, and is a more easy play to double. His efficiency would drop fast

His shot falling is what allows him to get to the line so easily, so is a double no-no.

He's already rellying on an amount of shooting that could come down to earth at any moment, i don't see how this is a benefit.


Nah..

I think his shooting is real.

His FT% should say he always has the upside to be this good of a shooter.

It’s just he’s not been asked to play like this with a close minded mindset of just wanting him to be shaq 2.0

In the playoffs during crunch time, you wont be able to be a go to guy being shaq 2.0. The last thing you want is having the at the mercy of the refs.

Remember after the Celts series, he said something like.. he should not post up that much. I think at that point he realized it.

And what i love in sports is realizing a mistake and finding ways to deal with it.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#623 » by Murray_17 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:26 am

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Nah..

I think his shooting is real.

His FT% should say he always has the upside to be this good of a shooter.

It’s just he’s not been asked to play like this with a close minded mindset of just wanting him to be shaq 2.0

In the playoffs during crunch time, you wont be able to be a go to guy being shaq 2.0. The last thing you want is having the at the mercy of the refs.

Remember after the Celts series, he said something like.. he should not post up that much. I think at that point he realized it.

And what i love in sports is realizing a mistake and finding ways to deal with it.



You did not adress my point. Him shooting more makes more easy to double him at the post.......

And doubling him at the post is still the best option for defenses because Joe is bad at passing off double teams, even if he has marginally improved in that area.

By shooting more you're just giving defenses the play they prefer.

To no mention that if you can finish around the basket, shooting more midranges makes no sense statiscally speaking
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#624 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 6:51 am

Murray_17 wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Nah..

I think his shooting is real.

His FT% should say he always has the upside to be this good of a shooter.

It’s just he’s not been asked to play like this with a close minded mindset of just wanting him to be shaq 2.0

In the playoffs during crunch time, you wont be able to be a go to guy being shaq 2.0. The last thing you want is having the at the mercy of the refs.

Remember after the Celts series, he said something like.. he should not post up that much. I think at that point he realized it.

And what i love in sports is realizing a mistake and finding ways to deal with it.



You did not adress my point. Him shooting more makes more easy to double him at the post.......

And doubling him at the post is still the best option for defenses because Joe is bad at passing off double teams, even if he has marginally improved in that area.

By shooting more you're just giving defenses the play they prefer.

To no mention that if you can finish around the basket, shooting more midranges makes no sense statiscally speaking


Him being an elite shooter makes it easier for him to punish double teams.

Because its easier to pass away from the basket than under the basket or in the heart of the defense.

If you notice he’s most lethal down the stretch when he operates from top of the key to the FT line or the (Dirk Nowitzki zone), you see that on his recent fade away go to shot against the kings and the game when he took over against the Heat.

And boy is he tough to defend. If you stay close to him, he has a vicious footworks of up and unders and euro step. He also have a lethal hesi (probably learned from Fult :lol: ), if you decide to sag off him.

He’s the toughest player to defend right now in the NBA.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#625 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 8:49 am

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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#626 » by stormi » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:07 am

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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#627 » by 76ciology » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:04 am

stormi wrote:cute puppy


Embiid sux
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Re: Joel Embiid 

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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#629 » by eyeatoma » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:42 pm

One of the worst videos by the ringer I have ever seen.



This was my response to the video:

Sorry this is a tired argument, and a lot of rehashed videos from years past. Embiid has improved massively as a passer this year. He still has a few boneheaded plays, but by in large it is night and day from previous years. Also, the sixers are 14-0 with their starting lineup, and we see how they play when one of Embiid or Simmons sits. They need each other, and historically this team wins with both of them playing. Maybe next time try and create a video that doesn't bring up lazy media narratives. At the very least use videos only from this season as opposed to from his entire career. You try to bring it all together in the end by mentioning how Morey improved the roster, but failed to mention that Curry is having a historic year, Simmons is playing like a DPOY again (and Embiid to boot), minimizing the massive improve of Tobias Harris (who is playing like an allstar and averaging the most points, the most efficiently in his career). You even contradict yourself when you mention Simmons/Embiid's fit, and then bring up a quote from Morey where he says that lineups with thousands of minutes in the NBA show that a lineup with Simmons and Embiid is the best or one of the best in the NBA. Then, you go ahead and say trade one of them. LOL! Do better Ringer...
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#630 » by eyeatoma » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:52 pm

phillynative wrote:https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/joel-embiid-changed-his-offseason-conditioning-now-hes-playing-like-an-mvp/

Cool article about the work Embiid put in this past short offseason.


Now this was good.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#631 » by eyeatoma » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:26 pm

eyeatoma wrote:One of the worst videos by the ringer I have ever seen.



This was my response to the video:

Sorry this is a tired argument, and a lot of rehashed videos from years past. Embiid has improved massively as a passer this year. He still has a few boneheaded plays, but by in large it is night and day from previous years. Also, the sixers are 14-0 with their starting lineup, and we see how they play when one of Embiid or Simmons sits. They need each other, and historically this team wins with both of them playing. Maybe next time try and create a video that doesn't bring up lazy media narratives. At the very least use videos only from this season as opposed to from his entire career. You try to bring it all together in the end by mentioning how Morey improved the roster, but failed to mention that Curry is having a historic year, Simmons is playing like a DPOY again (and Embiid to boot), minimizing the massive improve of Tobias Harris (who is playing like an allstar and averaging the most points, the most efficiently in his career). You even contradict yourself when you mention Simmons/Embiid's fit, and then bring up a quote from more where he says that lineups with thousands of minutes in the NBA show that a lineup with Simmons and Embiid is the best or one of the best in the NBA. Then, you go ahead and say trade one of them. LOL! Do better Ringer...



If you go in the thread you can see that Kyle Mann has replied with a few excuses.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#632 » by Negrodamus » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:23 am

Poor timing on the video as Embiid has been passing the rock quite well this year, especially lately.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#633 » by blargh » Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 am

I think Embiid finds it easier to make a quick pass out of the double team when he faces up. He can see the whole floor, instead of one side. Then if no help is coming and he thinks he has an advantage, he can still back his man down. It’s a smart adjustment by Doc, but Embiid has weaponized it by how good he’s gotten shooting off the dribble.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#634 » by Kobblehead » Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Right now the media seems to have LeBron as the MVP front runner. Hopefully Joel makes it undeniable, by the end of the season, that he's the MVP.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#635 » by sixers4real » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:13 am

Kobblehead wrote:Right now the media seems to have LeBron as the MVP front runner. Hopefully Joel makes it undeniable, by the end of the season, that he's the MVP.

LeBron can have his RS MVP, let Joel get what's more important, FMVP 8-)
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#636 » by Mik317 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:45 am

i lowkey hope he doesn't get it. keep him motivated and mad
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#637 » by 76ciology » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:10 am

Embiid has to play much much better than LeBron. It’s like in a boxing match where the challenger has to be more aggressive than the champion.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#638 » by elchengue20 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:53 am

If both Joel and Lebron continue to play at their current level, and Lebron plays more games than Embiid, the only way is us winning more games than the Lakers.

That doesn't seem likely, but well see. Lebron is the favorite.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#639 » by tsmith » Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:48 am

Lebron should have won the MVP just about every year of the last 10, he seems to get held to a much higher standard. This'll help Joel.
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Re: Joel Embiid 

Post#640 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Feb 12, 2021 9:46 am

I find it fascinating how much people care about MVP.
Giannis has won back to back MVP, and then got exposed in playoffs. MVP doesn't tell that much about how good a player is when it matters the most. Who cares if Embiid doesn't win MVP because he plays less games but then he gives us a much better playoffs experience?

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