Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

[Jhawk03]

It seems like the Bucks (by trading away a major portion of their future) are all in on trying to max Giannis, which in retrospect, being a small market team and given the history of their franchise, it's easier to sell the future and keep a generational mvp player rather than hoping to find another one in the next several draft years. Bucks are essentially looking in the mirror and realizing it may be decades before they get another Giannis because a superstar player won't sign as a FA in Milwaukee. So they don't place the same value on draft picks as other franchises. Not to mention when's the last time they've had a top 3 draft pick?

[mithrandir17]

It seems like the Bucks (by trading away a major portion of their future) are all in on trying to max Giannis, which in retrospect, being a small market team and given the history of their franchise, it's easier to sell the future and keep a generational mvp player rather than hoping to find another one in the next several draft years. Bucks are essentially looking in the mirror and realizing it may be decades before they get another Giannis because a superstar player won't sign as a FA in Milwaukee. So they don't place the same value on draft picks as other franchises. Not to mention when's the last time they've had a top 3 draft pick?

Jabari Parker

[kriss73]

Maybe I'm a minority here but I hope the Sixers doesn't go bold this offseason.
I'm confortable to give Doc an year to see what he can do with Ben e Joel hoping he can find a use to Harris too.

First order of business is finding a new home for Al and maximize a JRich trade, even at the next trade deadline.

And draft well.

Next year , if the the team responde well, we could make the Bucks/Clippers move.

Given the market, the price of Harden is skyrocket.

Of course if we could find a way to land Harden with Ben and Joel, then it's worth any price.

[Wilfried]

WTF!!!!!!!

Read on Twitter

Lol they're gonna have like a 200 million payroll in a few years. Nuts.

In 2 seasons, they can also be stuck with Bogdan (nice player though), Middleton and Lopez ... while Giannis and Jrue left the building

[Wilfried]

Maybe I'm a minority here but I hope the Sixers doesn't go bold this offseason.
I'm confortable to give Doc an year to see what he can do with Ben e Joel hoping he can find a use to Harris too.

First order of business is finding a new home for Al and maximize a JRich trade, even at the next trade deadline.

And draft well.

Next year , if the the team responde well, we could make the Bucks/Clippers move.

Given the market, the price of Harden is skyrocket.

Of course if we could find a way to land Harden with Ben and Joel, then it's worth any price.

This ...

We still have a young team (Milton - Matysse - Tobias - Joel - Ben - ...).
Give the coach 1 year to see what we got.
If it doesn't pan out:
1) Horford is almost as a final year-contract
2) Tobias has 1 less year on his contract
3) The Nets are 1 less year to implosion (Kyrie mostly has 2 seasons before he f... things up completely)
4) Jimmy is 1 year older
5) Giannis is on his way out to ... ?

I see a lot of benefit in waiting 1 more season to turn things around.

Unless we can get Harden without sacrificing Ben or Joel.

[Jhawk03]

It seems like the Bucks (by trading away a major portion of their future) are all in on trying to max Giannis, which in retrospect, being a small market team and given the history of their franchise, it's easier to sell the future and keep a generational mvp player rather than hoping to find another one in the next several draft years. Bucks are essentially looking in the mirror and realizing it may be decades before they get another Giannis because a superstar player won't sign as a FA in Milwaukee. So they don't place the same value on draft picks as other franchises. Not to mention when's the last time they've had a top 3 draft pick?

Jabari Parker

Yeah that's one, also Andrew Bogut and big dog were number 1 picks. That's kinda my point with the Bucks though, they rarely if ever strike gold in the draft.

[eyeatoma]

It seems like the Bucks (by trading away a major portion of their future) are all in on trying to max Giannis, which in retrospect, being a small market team and given the history of their franchise, it's easier to sell the future and keep a generational mvp player rather than hoping to find another one in the next several draft years. Bucks are essentially looking in the mirror and realizing it may be decades before they get another Giannis because a superstar player won't sign as a FA in Milwaukee. So they don't place the same value on draft picks as other franchises. Not to mention when's the last time they've had a top 3 draft pick?

Jabari Parker

Yeah that's one, also Andrew Bogut and big dog were number 1 picks. That's kinda my point with the Bucks though, they rarely if ever strike gold in the draft.

Except for you know... Giannis... the MVP... I get your point though.

[phillynative]

The bucks cannot catch a star to go there but they know how to put pieces their franchise player that fits.

[kriss73]

The bucks cannot catch a star to go there but they know how to put pieces their franchise player that fits.

I missed all the rings they won these last years putting together a roster without stars but that fit

It's still a long way to go for them, imho.

[freshie2]

Does the Sign and Trade deal now take Hield out of play? Solid moves by the Bucks. Jrue is a huge upgrade and and other solid perimeter threat.

[phillynative]

The bucks cannot catch a star to go there but they know how to put pieces their franchise player that fits.

I missed all the rings they won these last years putting together a roster without stars but that fit

It's still a long way to go for them, imho.

Winning a ring is not easy especially so when you have argubly one of the best teams (warriors) and best player(bron) ever running amuck for the last decade.

The bucks have done what the sixers failed to do consistently puting pieces around their best player that makes since. They may never come close to winning a chip but that wasnt my point.

[freshie2]

Take two of the smaller rumors - Scott to the Knicks (say for Smith or Frank) and JRich for Shamet and LouWill...say each needs sweetened with a late first. Sign Noel. Are the Aixers then better positioned going into the season? Improved shooting a young PG. Not the big names, but still addresses needs to build around Ben and Jojo.

[kriss73]

The bucks cannot catch a star to go there but they know how to put pieces their franchise player that fits.

I missed all the rings they won these last years putting together a roster without stars but that fit

It's still a long way to go for them, imho.

Winning a ring is not easy especially so when you have argubly one of the best teams (warriors) and best player(bron) ever running amuck for the last decade.

The bucks have done what the sixers failed to do consistently puting pieces around their best player that makes since. They may never come close to winning a chip but that wasnt my point.

Sixers fit was fine both in 2017-2018 and in 2018-2019.
And last year we had 3 stars.

Last offseason was a big step back in terms of fit and star power.

[phillynative]

I missed all the rings they won these last years putting together a roster without stars but that fit

It's still a long way to go for them, imho.

Winning a ring is not easy especially so when you have argubly one of the best teams (warriors) and best player(bron) ever running amuck for the last decade.

The bucks have done what the sixers failed to do consistently puting pieces around their best player that makes since. They may never come close to winning a chip but that wasnt my point.

Sixers fit was fine both in 2017-2018 and in 2018-2019.
And last year we had 3 stars.

Last offseason was a big step back in terms of fit and star power.

You seemed to missed the word Consistently which is another glossed over issue this team has had.

[VDT]

The Sixers are on the clock to improve the team, not as much as someone like the Bucks but there is pressure nonetheless.

I dont think the team can survive another mediocre year and if thats the case they will be forced to an Embiid/Simmons trade that some people prefer to avoid right now. I think that is something that Morey realizes.

If the Sixers bring back the same (or mostly the same) team, it would be a bad sign imo.

[skulky]

Ha go to bed at a decent time and the league goes crazy.

That’s a lot to give up for jrue, but not when getting Giannis to sign supermax. That’s a killer starting 5: brook lopez, Giannis, Middleton, bogdan, jrue.
That’s a bunch of players around Giannis that can shoot, pass, handle the ball, get their own shot and defend, with jrue being elite defensively, and a lot of size.

And great trade for Portland, Roco is perfect fit for them. Covington was so good in the playoffs. Crazy we’re in a world Covington gets 2 firsts.

It’ll be interesting to see what direction we go. I liked jrue for us, but we would have had to include one of horford or tobias to make contracts work and that’s not as appealing. 3 firsts and 2 swaps would have been pretty steep price for us, bucks more desperate to hold onto Giannis.

[cool93]

Maybe I'm a minority here but I hope the Sixers doesn't go bold this offseason.
I'm confortable to give Doc an year to see what he can do with Ben e Joel hoping he can find a use to Harris too.

First order of business is finding a new home for Al and maximize a JRich trade, even at the next trade deadline.

And draft well.

Next year , if the the team responde well, we could make the Bucks/Clippers move.

Given the market, the price of Harden is skyrocket.

Of course if we could find a way to land Harden with Ben and Joel, then it's worth any price.

I see your point, but this exact team was 6 seed in the East. Bucks, Celtics and Nets would be 100% better than Sixers if we don't make major moves. Than there are Raptors, Heat and Pacers who are at least not worse.
I just don't think that we can survive two catastrophic seasons in a row without major consequences. It's very likely that our assets lose even more value, including Ben. And it's not impossible that Embiid demands a trade in that scenario.
This roster doesn't work, and it won't with any coach. We need to make SOME major moves.

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[kriss73]

Maybe I'm a minority here but I hope the Sixers doesn't go bold this offseason.
I'm confortable to give Doc an year to see what he can do with Ben e Joel hoping he can find a use to Harris too.

First order of business is finding a new home for Al and maximize a JRich trade, even at the next trade deadline.

And draft well.

Next year , if the the team responde well, we could make the Bucks/Clippers move.

Given the market, the price of Harden is skyrocket.

Of course if we could find a way to land Harden with Ben and Joel, then it's worth any price.

I see your point, but this exact team was 6 seed in the East. Bucks, Celtics and Nets would be 100% better than Sixers if we don't make major moves. Than there are Raptors, Heat and Pacers who are at least not worse.
I just don't think that we can survive two catastrophic seasons in a row without major consequences. It's very likely that our assets lose even more value, including Ben. And it's not impossible that Embiid demands a trade in that scenario.
This roster doesn't work, and it won't with any coach. We need to make SOME major moves.

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This roster with a shooter for Horford would not be a disaster, in my opinion.
Expecially if Ben, Joel, Matisse and Shake can make a step forward and if we can find some cheap veterans ala D.Green or Ilya etc.

Only after that they have my permission to die

[DT RAW]

if we stand pat, we are likely the 6th seed again, and the team will start imploding IMO. None of our players are MORE tradeable next year, especially with another year of poor performance and bad fit. Horford will be worth even less, if thats possible, as well simmons, our best trade piece at the moment

Standing pat, though many of you are now trying to talk yourselves into it being the best path, is not the best path

[youngcrev]

If BK is a must for Harden, wouldn't mind hopping in there with some assets for Dinwiddie.