2020-2021 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Kobblehead]

Jared Butler should be ranked a lot higher. And definitely higher than Davion Mitchell.

Butler was good at an earlier age than Mitchell was, but Mitchell's skillset far supersedes Butler's, IMO. Mitchell is a weird stock. Off pure skillset, he should be in play for the #1 pick. Like if he were a freshman, he'd be the #1 pick. But in reality, he's old as ef so who knows where he should be selected.

[76ciology]

You know im just here for some discussion. May i know your perspective to why you think he has “insane scoring upside”?

I think it would be very hard for someone to have “insane scoring upside” as a non shooter unless you are atleast 7’ (thinking siakam or giannis)

And do you see him playing PF?

Because he takes guys off the dribble so effortlessly in the halfcourt. He's going to score a ton of unassisted buckets at the next level. Shooting is just icing. The cake batter of being able to score is creating shot off the dribble. Barnes can do that better than most of the "guards" being mocked in the first round.

Like who (in current NBA)?

[76ciology]

Jared Butler should be ranked a lot higher. And definitely higher than Davion Mitchell.

Butler was good at an earlier age than Mitchell was, but Mitchell's skillset far supersedes Butler's, IMO. Mitchell is a weird stock. Off pure skillset, he should be in play for the #1 pick. Like if he were a freshman, he'd be the #1 pick. But in reality, he's old as ef so who knows where he should be selected.

Both guys’ downside is their age. But both their numbers looks really good and skillset looks made for the NBA. I find Butler has better handles.

[stormi]

Jared Butler should be ranked a lot higher. And definitely higher than Davion Mitchell.

Davion Mitchell is interesting. In terms of intangibles and heart and grit he has that all. That competitiveness and fearlessness, and he's extremely explosive off the dribble. Also one of the best point of attack defenders I've ever seen at the college level. He is super old though. I think best case scenario he becomes Donovan Mitchell-esque. If the offense doesn't fully translate he'll be a Marcus Smart type.

[Negrodamus]

If Josh Christopher is available at our pick, then he either has massive red flags I don’t know about or the league is incompetent.

[stormi]

Is Josh Christopher really that good? I mean watching him play he doesn't look like he has an advanced handle or a good looking shot profile. Age and athleticism are on his side though for sure.

[76ciology]

Jared Butler should be ranked a lot higher. And definitely higher than Davion Mitchell.

Davion Mitchell is interesting. In terms of intangibles and heart and grit he has that all. That competitiveness and fearlessness, and he's extremely explosive off the dribble. Also one of the best point of attack defenders I've ever seen at the college level. He is super old though. I think best case scenario he becomes Donovan Mitchell-esque. If the offense doesn't fully translate he'll be a Marcus Smart type.

I wouldnt mind mitchell or butler. What can you say about Jared Butler? I think i like Butler better.

[76ciology]

Is Josh Christopher really that good? I mean watching him play he doesn't look like he has an advanced handle or a good looking shot profile. Age and athleticism are on his side though for sure.

Yeah he’s not good for me. His numbers isnt checking out

[76ciology]

Ayo Dosunmu is another guy I think should be drafted a lot higher. He’s a lotto pick for me. Skillset and numbers are checking out for me.

Man.. i would love to trade up for this guy.

Has some KPJ vibes with him. I think his shooting has a lot of upside.

[stormi]

Jared Butler should be ranked a lot higher. And definitely higher than Davion Mitchell.

Davion Mitchell is interesting. In terms of intangibles and heart and grit he has that all. That competitiveness and fearlessness, and he's extremely explosive off the dribble. Also one of the best point of attack defenders I've ever seen at the college level. He is super old though. I think best case scenario he becomes Donovan Mitchell-esque. If the offense doesn't fully translate he'll be a Marcus Smart type.

I wouldnt mind mitchell or butler. What can you say about Jared Butler? I think i like Butler better.

I like Jared Butler a lot. Maybe not the highest upside in the world, but he thrived this year at Baylor in a very pro-style offense. He was the secondary creator though and I expect him to be that at the next level. Mitchell was the guy that ran the offense and Butler was the guard that played off him and spaced the floor and got buckets when offensive sets broke down. His shot is so pretty to watch though, one of my favs along with Johnny Juzang. Gives me FVV vibes.

[76ciology]

Davion Mitchell is interesting. In terms of intangibles and heart and grit he has that all. That competitiveness and fearlessness, and he's extremely explosive off the dribble. Also one of the best point of attack defenders I've ever seen at the college level. He is super old though. I think best case scenario he becomes Donovan Mitchell-esque. If the offense doesn't fully translate he'll be a Marcus Smart type.

I wouldnt mind mitchell or butler. What can you say about Jared Butler? I think i like Butler better.

I like Jared Butler a lot. Maybe not the highest upside in the world, but he thrived this year at Baylor in a very pro-style offense. He was the secondary creator though and I expect him to be that at the next level. Mitchell was the guy that ran the offense and Butler was the guard that played off him and spaced the floor and got buckets when offensive sets broke down. His shot is so pretty to watch though, one of my favs along with Johnny Juzang. Gives me FVV vibes.

Yeah his stroke stands out. His mechanics is in the same ball park with Garland and Trae.

And thats why I have Butler higher than mitchell because of scoring, shooting and upside on ISO.

[Kobblehead]

Mitchell is a substantially better scorer off the dribble than Butler, though. Butler is more of a defend and shoot guard with secondary pick and roll play. Not really a guy you give the ball to and ask to cook on someone. Mitchell was that guy for Baylor this year.

[Kobblehead]

Ayo Dosunmu is another guy I think should be drafted a lot higher. He’s a lotto pick for me. Skillset and numbers are checking out for me.

Man.. i would love to trade up for this guy.

Has some KPJ vibes with him. I think his shooting has a lot of upside.

Damn, you like all the guards I don't.

[76ciology]

My top 10 after like 2 hours of youtube and looking at numbers
1-Green
2- Cunningham
3- Mobley
4- Suggs
5- Kuminga
6- Barnes
7- Wagner
8- Osunmu
9- Butler
10- Mitchell
11th: Bouknight

Duarte and Kispert are two guys I wouldnt mind having with our pick. Specially if i can get them with our 2nd round picks

[76ciology]

Ayo Dosunmu is another guy I think should be drafted a lot higher. He’s a lotto pick for me. Skillset and numbers are checking out for me.

Man.. i would love to trade up for this guy.

Has some KPJ vibes with him. I think his shooting has a lot of upside.

Damn, you like all the guards I don't.

How so?
20-5-5
Good %
Good height to wingspan ratio
Has skillset to score on iso and run PnR

This guy should be a lotto pick

[Kobblehead]

I'm curious, why do you rate Kuminga over Barnes? Neither can shoot, but Barnes is a significantly better defender and passer.

[Kobblehead]

Ayo Dosunmu is another guy I think should be drafted a lot higher. He’s a lotto pick for me. Skillset and numbers are checking out for me.

Man.. i would love to trade up for this guy.

Has some KPJ vibes with him. I think his shooting has a lot of upside.

Damn, you like all the guards I don't.

How so?
20-5-5
Good %
Good height to wingspan ratio
Has skillset to score on iso and run PnR

This guy should be a lotto pick

I don't think his handle is good enough to iso. I think he needs the screen to score in the midrange. Definitely not a good slasher. No defense. Also, he doesn't like to shoot threes. Very reluctant.

[Kobblehead]

Is Josh Christopher really that good? I mean watching him play he doesn't look like he has an advanced handle or a good looking shot profile. Age and athleticism are on his side though for sure.

Yeah he’s not good for me. His numbers isnt checking out

Generates deflections defensively and has ability to run p&r offensively. His 80%+ free throw shooting suggests a potential to develop a jumper down the line. If that happens, he's a pretty strong two-way player.

He's a solid prospect, IMO. I don't understand why Bouknight is a consensus lotto pick and Christopher is being mocked in the 30-40 range, though. Christopher is better on both ends, IMO, and is bigger and younger.

[76ciology]

I'm curious, why do you rate Kuminga over Barnes? Neither can shoot, but Barnes is a significantly better defender and passer.

I dont mind either guys at their spot.

Seems to me Kuminga can have a smoother transition at SF and in that position he can use his size to score against smaller defenders unlike with Barnes who I see more of a PF. At 6’9 and at Barnes size, he wont be able to bully ball against NBA caliber PFs. So that said, Kuminga has higher frequency for mismatches that can negate whatever shooting issues he has.

Not only that, Kuminga seems to be a lot quicker than Barnes and is more skilled as a scorer on halfcourt. I think Kuminga uses his skill more than Barnes on halfcourt while Barnes relies on his huge strides and power moves, which I dont think will work against NBA sized PFs.

Then Kuminga has a higher 3PA rate, so Im guessing he’s a more confident shooter than Barnes.

So yeah.. barnes is better defense and passing. While kuminga for me projects to be a better halfcourt scorer. While im just playing doctor phil on their upside with shooting.

[76ciology]

Damn, you like all the guards I don't.

How so?
20-5-5
Good %
Good height to wingspan ratio
Has skillset to score on iso and run PnR

This guy should be a lotto pick

I don't think his handle is good enough to iso. I think he needs the screen to score in the midrange. Definitely not a good slasher. No defense. Also, he doesn't like to shoot threes. Very reluctant.

I think he’s protecting his %s thats why he’s not jacking them. Then he’s hiding his shooting issues with his FT%. But between that (gutfeel) and his %, i put more weight on his %s.

I think he can just keep scoring off a screen like how Doncic does it. Call a screen, get a step ahead then pull up for mid range or slash to the rim repeatedly. Then once his 3pt shooting develops further he’ll be a much better scorer.

Yeah no defense, i think thats the right way to scout. Put a lot less value on deflections and defense. Not saying 0 value but a lot less. If you do this your hit rate will be similar to how the Lakers did with their picks prior to Lebron era. And possibly find the next Donovan Mitchell, CJ Mccollum or Jamal Murrays of the draft