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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#621 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 15, 2022 3:08 pm

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I think playing Jo at the 4 full time is a very interesting idea.

The problem then becomes who is playing next to him? Horford didn't work out so well. Although how much of that was because of other 3 guys on the floor with them (Simmons, Harris, Richardson) is an open question.

I think Boston is proving that it’s more the latter. Right idea, wrong execution.

We need to get longer and more athletic. Depending on what trades/signings we can make, starting Reed at the 4 on defense, and the 5 on offense may be the way to go. Especially if we trade Tobias for a smaller player, I’d start 3 guards. Harden/Maxey/KCP or Norm Powell? (for example)/Reed/Embiid.


Reed has a long way to go still. Cannot be a foul prone spaz, and has to be able to stretch the floor. If it's me, I'm not counting on that guy to develop where they need him. Hopefully BBall proves me wrong.

I did say depending on what trades could be made, but we’ve also gotta be somewhat realistic here. We have very limited covetable assets (if any) to trade. A big part of this team getting better may have to come from the growth of some players already on the roster. That’s just the reality.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#622 » by Kobblehead » Sun May 15, 2022 3:14 pm

Unfortunately, Paul Reed has been just too unskilled to put on the court at the NBA level. He's shooting 14% from three and 45% from the free throw line and the spastic offense winds up being turnovers at this level instead of the buckets they were in college/G-League. Right now he's basically PF Thybulle and we need a corner three from him to be playable.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#623 » by Iverson Armband » Sun May 15, 2022 3:24 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Unfortunately, Paul Reed has been just too unskilled to put on the court at the NBA level. He's shooting 14% from three and 45% from the free throw line and the spastic offense winds up being turnovers at this level instead of the buckets they were in college/G-League. Right now he's basically PF Thybulle and we need a corner three from him to be playable.

This is from an extremely small sample size and like 6mpg.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#624 » by Jailblazers7 » Sun May 15, 2022 5:35 pm

Paul Reed showed legitimate flashes of a good player in the playoffs. It’s on him, the coaching staff, and the Sixers organization to help him reach his potential. The fact that he was able to hold his own while playing out of position (he’s not a C) against good teams is very promising.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#625 » by kuclas » Sun May 22, 2022 6:18 pm

Did embiid have his thumb surgery yet?
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Post#626 » by blargh » Mon May 23, 2022 12:13 am

Jailblazers7 wrote:Paul Reed showed legitimate flashes of a good player in the playoffs. It’s on him, the coaching staff, and the Sixers organization to help him reach his potential. The fact that he was able to hold his own while playing out of position (he’s not a C) against good teams is very promising.


Reed is the right archetype of a guy to play next to Joel, but this many seasons in, the game hasn’t slowed down for him mentally, and it maybe never will. He’s worth a look early next season, and then we might have to cut bait.

I’m not sure about this Jo-at-the-4 idea, but it’s just semantics at some level. Joel’s role on defense should be deep in the paint, as a rim protector. He should be playing the Horford role in the Celtics scheme. We need to find our Williams, a long versatile big man who can play above the foul line. Reed should get a shot at the role. Boucher might be gettable. Jonathan Isaac would be intriguing if his contract wasn’t out of whack. Nerlens might be a possibility, though it would kill our spacing. Bruce Brown might fill the role, even if he lacks the inches.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#627 » by 76ciology » Mon May 23, 2022 2:51 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:Paul Reed showed legitimate flashes of a good player in the playoffs. It’s on him, the coaching staff, and the Sixers organization to help him reach his potential. The fact that he was able to hold his own while playing out of position (he’s not a C) against good teams is very promising.


Reed is the right archetype of a guy to play next to Joel, but this many seasons in, the game hasn’t slowed down for him mentally, and it maybe never will. He’s worth a look early next season, and then we might have to cut bait.

I’m not sure about this Jo-at-the-4 idea, but it’s just semantics at some level. Joel’s role on defense should be deep in the paint, as a rim protector. He should be playing the Horford role in the Celtics scheme. We need to find our Williams, a long versatile big man who can play above the foul line. Reed should get a shot at the role. Boucher might be gettable. Jonathan Isaac would be intriguing if his contract wasn’t out of whack. Nerlens might be a possibility, though it would kill our spacing. Bruce Brown might fill the role, even if he lacks the inches.


Which Williams? Grant or Robert?
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#628 » by blargh » Mon May 23, 2022 3:25 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:Paul Reed showed legitimate flashes of a good player in the playoffs. It’s on him, the coaching staff, and the Sixers organization to help him reach his potential. The fact that he was able to hold his own while playing out of position (he’s not a C) against good teams is very promising.


Reed is the right archetype of a guy to play next to Joel, but this many seasons in, the game hasn’t slowed down for him mentally, and it maybe never will. He’s worth a look early next season, and then we might have to cut bait.

I’m not sure about this Jo-at-the-4 idea, but it’s just semantics at some level. Joel’s role on defense should be deep in the paint, as a rim protector. He should be playing the Horford role in the Celtics scheme. We need to find our Williams, a long versatile big man who can play above the foul line. Reed should get a shot at the role. Boucher might be gettable. Jonathan Isaac would be intriguing if his contract wasn’t out of whack. Nerlens might be a possibility, though it would kill our spacing. Bruce Brown might fill the role, even if he lacks the inches.


Which Williams? Grant or Robert?


Sorry, I meant Robert. Grant is an okay piece; Time Lord makes that whole defense work.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#629 » by rzzzzz » Mon May 23, 2022 5:22 pm

blargh wrote: Nerlens might be a possibility, though it would kill our spacing.


It’s what Sam wanted to try back when. He had Brett put Nerlens at PF with Jahlil at center, with the idea that Embiid was going to take the center spot eventually, and he and Nerlens would have been a good front line. And Jah would be traded to Boston, of course. But we know how stubborn Nerlens is, and he forced the issue to get back to center and Jah played PF until he was injured. And, of course, Jerry stepped in and scotched the Jah trade, arguing to Harris that we needed him as insurance because there was no guarantee that Embiid would ever able to play for us. Recall that Biid was supportive of Nerlens a year later, pushing the FO to hold onto him and play the two together. Not sure what happened, though I suspect Nerlens just wasn’t interested. (Nerlens’ intransigence has not done himself many favors.)
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Post#630 » by MGSixers » Fri May 27, 2022 1:17 pm

Joel is like the most interesting and talented Survivor contestant with big ego. He is both wanting to be Kobe (yeah I am the committed unique 100% athlete) and Shaq (likeable guy but yeah I’m all time great talent but witty) but he is fitting in-between without either identity or commitment. We forgive him for being Shaq… haha troll Embiid… we love him for his commitment to Philly… but is it full commitment? I am no longer believing in that rhetoric. Please please Embiid, fk Simmons, fk harden, yeah can’t live in the past, butler but get your act together.
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Post#631 » by 76thBearCub » Fri May 27, 2022 7:03 pm

As good as he is I can't help but wonder what could have been. I guess if he never breaks his foot he's in Milwaukee teaming with Giannis, so there's that.
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Post#632 » by 76ciology » Tue May 31, 2022 2:57 am

It’s not how great you are.
It’s how great you are when it truly matters.

There is a big difference in Jimmy’s game in reg season and playoffs. He even turned into an OK 3pt shooter.

They say playoffs is tougher than regular season. But Tatum’s numbers are just the same.

Curry, Klay and Draymond was under the radar the entire season. People know they’re great but there wasn’t much noise.

Young players dont know how to pace themselves. Are they because they’re going for these personal accolades?

Embiid is not the player who can be MVP in reg season and be MVP in the playoffs. It’s not in his DNA. He does not have the durability of LeBron, Giannis or Prime Shaq. He’s more of a little post peak Dirk or KG.

Embiid has to choose.
Be MVP in regular season or MVP in the playoffs.

Hopefully now with Harden, it would be easier for him to choose.

If Embiid choose to be MVP in the regular season, then we need 2019 Harden in 2023 playoffs.

Maxey or some role player(s) in return for Tobias or Springer won’t be able to save you. In the end after you try 10,000 hours of thinking about trades, you’ll just return to this dilemma.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#633 » by Mik317 » Tue May 31, 2022 4:09 am

Steph was the last MVP to also win a finals the same year...and he was kinda mid in that finals...and lost the next year.

Jimmy missed large stretches of this season so he was able to turn it up a notch in the playoffs. Tatum was pretty bad to start the year himself.

its boring to say...but a lot of this **** is also just luck. Giannis was lucky last year in terms of other teams getting hurt...and if not we'd be sitting here calling him a choke artist still.

THAT being said, the goal is to get Biid to the playoffs semi healthy,,,we actually succeeded and then his face got broke lol. Been saying it for years tho, I think he needs to slim down some and actually rely on his teammates more instead of having to post up every possesion or handle the ball or be the offensive hub. Not only would that allow him to "rest" on offense (big men can't rest on defense...which is something most stars do by the way) but it would prepare the team for the moment in which he just doesn't have it...be it due to injury, emotions, or whatever. The Heat lost because no one but Jimmy could do **** all whereas Tatum has Brown for when his Kobe **** isn;t working. Our team seems to panic when Biid can't bail them out but continue to force the ball to him.

Thats on Biid to realize and the coaching staff to be able to actually plan it out tho....I have my doubts on both.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#634 » by 76thBearCub » Tue May 31, 2022 5:13 pm

So he had surgery not just on the thumb but also an index finger. Good grief he was banged up.
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Post#635 » by eyeatoma » Tue May 31, 2022 8:10 pm

76thBearCub wrote:So he had surgery not just on the thumb but also an index finger. Good grief he was banged up.
People had the audacity to bitch about him, accuse him of choking, and maybe just not being good enough. Best part was people saying that he let losing MVP get to his head.

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#636 » by stormi » Tue Jun 7, 2022 3:51 am

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Didn't he just go under the knife?

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#637 » by eyeatoma » Tue Jun 7, 2022 10:52 am

stormi wrote:Image

Didn't he just go under the knife?

Freak.
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Post#638 » by Lou_23 » Thu Jun 9, 2022 11:30 am

eyeatoma wrote:
stormi wrote:Image

Didn't he just go under the knife?

Freak.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#639 » by VDT » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:49 am

You need luck to win but at some point you have to make your own luck. This team and Embiid as its best player constantly find ways to lose. The Hawks last year was a very mediocre team. The Heat this year the same. After all these years the team hasnt managed to get out of the second round. At some point it is what it is. The team is just not very good or mentally tough. I hope for the best but i am not expecting anything really.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#640 » by MVP1992 » Tue Jun 14, 2022 10:48 am

Can he get preventative surgery to insert titanium bash plates in his face?

Sick of these broken face injuries screwing the season over :x

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