The Official Fire Doc Rivers Thread

[76ciology]

If I'm hiring the next coach I'm mandating he uses a two big Reed Embiid closing lineup as well as big minutes the rest of the game. If we want Maxey and Harden to play a lot together they should be with Reed and Embiid, especially in winning time.

I think Harden-Maxey-Tucker-Reed-Embiid is probably our best 5.

Yes. There’s no way around it.

We could also play small first (Tobias-Tucker at PF&C) like what we use to run before we end the fourth.

Then end the game with Maxey-Melton-Harden-Reed-Biid. This five, in terms of size is kind of similar with Cavs and Warriors.

That will solve your transition issue and problems on defense.

Offensively, if you have problem with Harden, Biid and Maxey. Then maybe you should trade one of them.

[SixthStreet]

I don't think this team should play fast. It should play slow and grind games and force the other teams to at our pace. Fix the transition defense and make teams run sets against us and utilize Harden's efficiency to spearhead a slow but potent offense.

Just because its en vogue to play high possession games doesn't mean we should do it.

[SixthStreet]

My take is I'm still high on this team. They are just playing like they hate Doc. Laziness in transition is the main indicator. It's nothing but effort and effort is the first thing that goes when you collectively lose faith and/or hate your coach.

[76ciology]

I don't think this team should play fast. It should play slow and grind games and force the other teams to at our pace. Fix the transition defense and make teams run sets against us and utilize Harden's efficiency to spearhead a slow but potent offense.

Just because its en vogue to play high possession games doesn't mean we should do it.

It should be balanced.

You play slow and the passes are telegraphed that defenders know where the ball is going to go before you throw it, another thing is its super easy for long athletic teams (almost all contenders) to rotate at defense.

So you’ll see them comfortably doubling embiid, forcing biid to kickout, rotate and cover then letting guys beat them on iso with time running out.

I think playing slow has its place in the game. But most of the game should be fast.

I think having Embiid poses a lot of challenge already in playing a fast pace, but this can be solved with minutes allocation and rotation.

[76ciology]

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Raspy ass voice, sound like a nutribullet is poetry.

[spikeslovechild]

What really bothered me about the last game was watching Embiid in the 4th. He was obviously gassed and Doc left him in.

Now I get the fact he can still be effective when tired but more often than not we see what happened which is a turnover because he wants to take over but ends up being careless with the basketball.

[76ciology]

What really bothered me about the last game was watching Embiid in the 4th. He was obviously gassed and Doc left him in.

Now I get the fact he can still be effective when tired but more often than not we see what happened which is a turnover because he wants to take over but ends up being careless with the basketball.

We played like the entire fourth without Jojo. There was more energy and the ball was moving.

Then the last 2:30-1:30 mins. Doc subbed him in. First play was a harden lob to Jojo which jojo opted to bring it down and was swiped. Next possession Raps played jojo and when Jojo came to defend the ball handler he just dropped it to a rap cutting to the basket and its game over.

I dont think jojo was gassed. It just got to a point when there maybe situations when we probably is a better team without our best player kind of that Ewing theory by Bill Simmons.

If you watch the preseason, you’ll also see evidence of this. We were impressive without jojo. Deflections, steals, transition on both ends then Maxey and Harden leading the offense.

How do we deal with this? No, im not saying trade Jojo.

But maybe not continue doing whats not working with our rotations.

[LloydFree]

Doc should have been fired after the Hawk's series. Everything since then was going to be a waste of time.

[spikeslovechild]

What really bothered me about the last game was watching Embiid in the 4th. He was obviously gassed and Doc left him in.

Now I get the fact he can still be effective when tired but more often than not we see what happened which is a turnover because he wants to take over but ends up being careless with the basketball.

We played like the entire fourth without Jojo. There was more energy and the ball was moving.

Then the last 2:30-1:30 mins. Doc subbed him in. First play was a harden lob to Jojo which jojo opted to bring it down and was swiped. Next possession Raps played jojo and when Jojo came to defend the ball handler he just dropped it to a rap cutting to the basket and its game over.

I dont think jojo was gassed. It just got to a point when there maybe situations when we probably is a better team without our best player kind of that Ewing theory by Bill Simmons.

If you watch the preseason, you’ll also see evidence of this. We were impressive without jojo. Deflections, steals, transition on both ends then Maxey and Harden leading the offense.

How do we deal with this? No, im not saying trade Jojo.

But maybe not continue doing whats not working with our rotations.

He looked gassed to me his two turnovers were the result of him being lazy with the basketball which is what happens when he gets tired and he was laboring up and down the court.

As the other poster said he may not in shape or he may still be working through the injury. I honestly don't care when he came off or when he came back on I care about what he looks when he comes in and in that stretch in the 4th he was clearly gassed. He played 38 minutes. Our backup bigs are playing like 3-4 minutes a game like why it's the regular season.

Doc is coching every regular season game like it's the playoffs. Like I get Harrell hasn't been great but he was brought in to give Embiid a rest and save him for the playoffs and he played 4 minutes. Embiid is averaging a career high in minutes this season. Harden is averaging 38 minutes a game. It's crazy even if we were winning what we are doing isn't sustainable one or both of them is going to get injured and completely worn down come playoff time.

[mjkvol]

Doc is coching every regular season game like it's the playoffs. Like I get Harrell hasn't been great but he was brought in to give Embiid a rest and save him for the playoffs and he played 4 minutes. Embiid is averaging a career high in minutes this season. Harden is averaging 38 minutes a game. It's crazy even if we were winning what we are doing isn't sustainable one or both of them is going to get injured and completely worn down come playoff time.

It's hard to imagine that Morey is not seeing this and thinking "what the f***k is he doing? He wanted depth, so I got him depth, and players he likes. What's the point?"

[youngcrev]

Man, there's even Doc Rivers diss tracks at this point

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[mjkvol]

Man, there's even Doc Rivers diss tracks at this point

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Wow.

[WuTang_CMB]

who u guys hiring if u fire him ?

[HardenToSixers]

who u guys hiring if u fire him ?

Ime Udoka

[the_process]

who u guys hiring if u fire him ?

It almost certainly won't be before the offseason. My guess for first on the list is predictable: D'Antoni.

[Iverson Armband]

Better not be another retread. When have those types ever won anything?

[phiphan]

Embiid wanted D'Antoni over Lue when they were both up for the job (before Rivers became available). And I'm pretty sure Morey likes D'Antoni. I would bet they'd hire him if Rivers is fired.

[Embiid P]

I'd rather promote someone in house like Cassell, Joerger or Burke than hire D'Antoni but that's me.

[mjkvol]

I'd rather promote someone in house like Cassell, Joerger or Burke than hire D'Antoni but that's me.

I'd have to be assured that any of the in-house candidates have some fresh ideas and are not going to be Glenn-lite before promoting one of them. But I'd also prefer to keep it in-house if possible.

[Kolkmania]

I don't think this team should play fast. It should play slow and grind games and force the other teams to at our pace. Fix the transition defense and make teams run sets against us and utilize Harden's efficiency to spearhead a slow but potent offense.

Just because its en vogue to play high possession games doesn't mean we should do it.

The goal is not to run as fast as possible, but have more high efficiency possessions. We are a good half court offensive team, despite running no sets at all (hello Harden). However, these possessions are nowhere near as efficient as a transition opportunity that is caused by a live turnover in our spread P&R offense.

So we should try to be a bit more disruptive on defense to create live turnovers ourselves (we have the personnel with Thybulle, Melton and Reed). But also have a more defined defensive transition identity. We don't win the possessions games through OREBs, but we're also not running back to prevent quick buckets. The worst spot we can be in.