Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[76ciology]

I think Harden replacing Paul George makes a lot of sense for the Clippers.

Clippers clearly need a playmaker, thats why they tried everything..

John Wall
Russell Westbrook
Reggie Jackson
Bones Hyland

Its a similar problem the Celts had, thats why Celts traded for Brogdon and it elevated their entire team’s offense

Because all Paul George and Kawhi does is bring down the ball, call for a screen and pull up at the FT line. Which works until you face a very good team in a 7 game series and you dont have any alternative on offense.

Clips also has a lot of forwards who can play with Kawhi, in case they trade Paul George. Roco is the top candidate for that. Second to that is Tucker. Third would be Mann. Fourth would be Batum.

And if they need a scorer, they can rely on Norman Powell who’s a more efficient scorer than Paul George. Harden is also a better ISO scorer and a PnR player than Paul George

And if they go for the route in not trading Paul George, it just makes a lot of sense for the Clips to empty their coffers for Harden. Thats the going price for the final piece for your big 3.

[rocketsfan100]

Luka won’t leave Dallas but him teaming up with Wemby is not out of the realm of possibility in San Antonio

[Kobblehead]

Paul George is definitely the two-way wing Morey was alluding to in his interview.

I think Morey is talking himself into something that ultimately won't yield a title IMO because Paul George is just as futile in the playoffs as Harden and Embiid have been in their careers.

I don't think you can just band together ultra talented players who lack moxie and expect them to win.

[youngcrev]

If there's a 3 way deal that gets us the stud forward we're looking for right now as opposed to waiting on free agency, I wouldn't be against take Norm Powell. Don't love the contract or the amount of time he's missed with injuries... But I've always liked that dude. I like a scrappy guard. Plus he's actually a pretty efficient scorer as a spot up/slasher.

[youngcrev]

I think Harden replacing Paul George makes a lot of sense for the Clippers.

Clippers clearly need a playmaker, thats why they tried everything..

John Wall
Russell Westbrook
Reggie Jackson
Bones Hyland

Its a similar problem the Celts had, thats why Celts traded for Brogdon and it elevated their entire team’s offense

Because all Paul George and Kawhi does is bring down the ball, call for a screen and pull up at the FT line. Which works until you face a very good team in a 7 game series and you dont have any alternative on offense.

Clips also has a lot of forwards who can play with Kawhi, in case they trade Paul George. Roco is the top candidate for that. Second to that is Tucker. Third would be Mann. Fourth would be Batum.

And if they need a scorer, they can rely on Norman Powell who’s a more efficient scorer than Paul George. Harden is also a better ISO scorer and a PnR player than Paul George

And if they go for the route in not trading Paul George, it just makes a lot of sense for the Clips to empty their coffers for Harden. Thats the going price for the final piece for your big 3.

You can make the argument that they'd be better off with Harden in place of George, but obviously they'd be far better with both, and there's likely a path to that.

That team's problem hasn't been offense, it's that they're never healthy.

[youngcrev]

Even if we could somehow get Paul George, people would freak the **** out when he signs his massive extension that runs until he's like 38. Which is part of why I've changed my tune on Siakam. At least on his next deal you'll be getting prime years rather than declining player.

[M2J]

Young blue-chipper... Terance Mann

I feel like I'm going crazy

I know a lot of people get him and Maxey confused with the hair.?

But the"professionals" even Philly's Pompey keep calling this 27 year old unproven player young and the Clippers future. It's upsetting

[Kobblehead]

The play here is not to no-sell Terance Mann in reciprocation, though.

Mann is a phenomenal role player. He's an efficiency god with tremendous size and strength on the wing. He can shoot and pass and is athletic. He's basically a bigger, stronger Bruce Brown.

Terance Mann, Kenyon Martin, Norman Powell, rights to Kobe Brown >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul George in terms of a return.

I'd take great role players over crappy stars all day.

[M2J]

The play here is not to no-sell Terance Mann in reciprocation, though.

Mann is a phenomenal role player. He's an efficiency god with tremendous size and strength on the wing. He can shoot and pass and is athletic. He's basically a bigger, stronger Bruce Brown.

Terance Mann, Kenyon Martin, Norman Powell, rights to Kobe Brown >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul George in terms of a return.

I'd take great role players over crappy stars all day.

I would love to see a pick in there, but I'm all in on this. This is the kinda return from the Clippers I brought up 2 months ago now. I know Morey has to try, and I feel he ultimately wants to keep James for less than James wants. However, I'm confident the team was prepared to see James walk away for nothing, heck I was excited for that possibility with the hope of a couple of 2nd round picks from Houston... With intentions of properly developing Maxey prior to paying him and either trading Harris or increasing his role, and possibly developing Melton even more... Who actually is a young blue chipper? (Maybe).

But add in a future first rounder with Mann and Powell. I'm all in, and I would feel relatively confident with the Sixers being a better team than the Clippers next season.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Clippers tryna hold on to Mann makes it more believable that PG is attainable.

1. Brown
2. Lavine

Are the other creative options we have to aggressively explore.


Jaylen Brown for 300 mill extension is a dumb move for Boston.

Lavine in Chicago is just a waste of time.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Even if we could somehow get Paul George, people would freak the **** out when he signs his massive extension that runs until he's like 38. Which is part of why I've changed my tune on Siakam. At least on his next deal you'll be getting prime years rather than declining player.

I don't understand the part that people don't get. Siakam doesn't want to play here.... He wants to stay in Toronto.

[LeonJordanJr24]

[quote="LeonJordanJr24"]Clippers tryna hold on to Mann makes it more believable that PG is attainable.

1. Brown
2. Lavine

Are the other creative options we have to aggressively explore.


Jaylen Brown for 300 mill extension is a dumb move for Boston. I don't what type os magic you need to get him off a rival team. I would be desperate enough to try it .

Lavine in Chicago is just a waste of time. His contract is bad but the talent is a upgrade and he's here potentially long-term.

[Eyeamok]

Even if we could somehow get Paul George, people would freak the **** out when he signs his massive extension that runs until he's like 38. Which is part of why I've changed my tune on Siakam. At least on his next deal you'll be getting prime years rather than declining player.

I don't understand the part that people don't get. Siakam doesn't want to play here.... He wants to stay in Toronto.

How do you know he only wants to play for the Raptors?
Are you sure the Raptors want to sign him long term to play for them?
How do you know playing for his old coach is not something he wants to do?

[Mik317]

getting deeper seems like a better bet than being top heavy again

team was at it best when it wasn't a two man game all the game imo.

Stacking solid wings to throw at people will make it so Biid doesn't kill himself trying to block shots and maybe will make it so he doesn't **** himself on offense due to the extra energy

[Jailblazers7]

getting deeper seems like a better bet than being top heavy again

team was at it best when it wasn't a two man game all the game imo.

Stacking solid wings to throw at people will make it so Biid doesn't kill himself trying to block shots and maybe will make it so he doesn't **** himself on offense due to the extra energy

Absolutely. It'd also have the benefit of breaking up some max contracts into more tradeable pieces. A huge problem for us is that every trade we do has to be a mega deal or we add picks to bad vets because we never have tradeable, prime-age roleplayers on the team.

[mjkvol]

I'd take great role players over crappy stars all day.

The truth.

[mjkvol]

getting deeper seems like a better bet than being top heavy again

team was at it best when it wasn't a two man game all the game imo.

Stacking solid wings to throw at people will make it so Biid doesn't kill himself trying to block shots and maybe will make it so he doesn't **** himself on offense due to the extra energy

Absolutely. It'd also have the benefit of breaking up some max contracts into more tradeable pieces. A huge problem for us is that every trade we do has to be a mega deal or we add picks to bad vets because we never have tradeable, prime-age roleplayers on the team.

That's the one thing that bothers me about Morey's stated plan for 2024 - everything seems to be about getting that "running mate" for Embiid, when it should be about building a solid core of role players around Embiid and Maxey and getting back into the draft on an annual basis.

At what point does it finally sink in that star-hunting is a low percentage way to win and the quickest avenue back to lottery-ville?

[Sportfan73]

getting deeper seems like a better bet than being top heavy again

team was at it best when it wasn't a two man game all the game imo.

Stacking solid wings to throw at people will make it so Biid doesn't kill himself trying to block shots and maybe will make it so he doesn't **** himself on offense due to the extra energy

Absolutely. It'd also have the benefit of breaking up some max contracts into more tradeable pieces. A huge problem for us is that every trade we do has to be a mega deal or we add picks to bad vets because we never have tradeable, prime-age roleplayers on the team.

That's the one thing that bothers me about Morey's stated plan for 2024 - everything seems to be about getting that "running mate" for Embiid, when it should be about building a solid core of role players around Embiid and Maxey and getting back into the draft on an annual basis.

At what point does it finally sink in that star-hunting is a low percentage way to win and the quickest avenue back to lottery-ville?

Some stars are good connectors though. Like capable of being super role player type guys. That’s the best targets to me. Siakam showed he is capable of that type of role on a championship team already

[mjkvol]

Absolutely. It'd also have the benefit of breaking up some max contracts into more tradeable pieces. A huge problem for us is that every trade we do has to be a mega deal or we add picks to bad vets because we never have tradeable, prime-age roleplayers on the team.

That's the one thing that bothers me about Morey's stated plan for 2024 - everything seems to be about getting that "running mate" for Embiid, when it should be about building a solid core of role players around Embiid and Maxey and getting back into the draft on an annual basis.

At what point does it finally sink in that star-hunting is a low percentage way to win and the quickest avenue back to lottery-ville?

Some stars are good connectors though. Like capable of being super role player type guys. That’s the best targets to me. Siakam showed he is capable of that type of role on a championship team already

My main objection to Siakam is just that - he's a high end role player that's going to cost something near max money, and I don't know if he's worth that. I'd rather start to find role players before they blow up, but that requires a solid scouting and pro personnel department and a GM with that as his plan. I'm not sure we have that kind of FO.

[Sportfan73]

That's the one thing that bothers me about Morey's stated plan for 2024 - everything seems to be about getting that "running mate" for Embiid, when it should be about building a solid core of role players around Embiid and Maxey and getting back into the draft on an annual basis.

At what point does it finally sink in that star-hunting is a low percentage way to win and the quickest avenue back to lottery-ville?

Some stars are good connectors though. Like capable of being super role player type guys. That’s the best targets to me. Siakam showed he is capable of that type of role on a championship team already

My main objection to Siakam is just that - he's a high end role player that's going to cost something near max money, and I don't know if he's worth that. I'd rather start to find role players before they blow up, but that requires a solid scouting and pro personnel department and a GM with that as his plan. I'm not sure we have that kind of FO.

I think we’re just on a short enough clock that we kind of need to do both. But someone like siakam is my ideal third star for this team. Two way guy who does the little hustle and connector stuff. Can help maxey a lot in half court situations