The Sixerfan1976 Off-Season Thread (Update: Page 61)

[Point-God]

No... Drafting Turner was picking the best player available and that is that.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Turner will never play a single NBA minute where he is a better player than D. Cousins. Turner certainly was the best college player available, but selecting the best NBA prospect should have been the focus.

[svnty6rs3]

No... Drafting Turner was picking the best player available and that is that.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Turner will never play a single NBA minute where he is a better player than D. Cousins. Turner certainly was the best college player available, but selecting the best NBA prospect should have been the focus.

Pretty definitive answer there. I wonder what your prediction was on how holiday would fair in the nba after last years summer league?

[Sixerlover]

No... Drafting Turner was picking the best player available and that is that.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Turner will never play a single NBA minute where he is a better player than D. Cousins. Turner certainly was the best college player available, but selecting the best NBA prospect should have been the focus.

Opinion. I disagree. Cousins won't be as dominate as he is against Ryan Hollins and Eurotrash when game 1 of the regular season begins and he's up against Gasol + Bynum, or Kaman or Duncan etc..

But he is showing off in the Vegas summer league. I'm happy for him because I'm personally rooting for the kid

[hasmat]

Stefanski's first mistake of the offseason was drafting Turner over Cousins. I'd hate for Stefanski to make this a worse offseason by trading Iguodala for Ariza or W. Johnson.

Just a summer league sample, lets see can he grind for 82 games and handle the life of a professional baller.

[Point-God]

No... Drafting Turner was picking the best player available and that is that.

That doesn't appear to be the case. Turner will never play a single NBA minute where he is a better player than D. Cousins. Turner certainly was the best college player available, but selecting the best NBA prospect should have been the focus.

Pretty definitive answer there. I wonder what your prediction was on how holiday would fair in the nba after last years summer league?

Holiday was 19 just like Cousins currently is. You have to access on a curve when looking at teenagers. You have to avoid writing such a young player off while weighing heavily any positives. Holiday still had more potential than Lawson, it just took the majority of the NBA season before Holiday could start competing for being considered the better player. At this very moment, without any doubt, D. Cousins is both the better player and has more potential than Evan Turner. The question is, who will be the better player 5 years from now between Holiday, Jennings, and Curry. Holiday's impressive defensive ability is closing the gap very quickly. There is no doubt that Cousins is superior to Turner.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Stephen Curry had a hard time in summer league... He was same age as Evan Turner... Is Curry a bust too?

[Point-God]

Stephen Curry had a hard time in summer league... He was same age as Evan Turner... Is Curry a bust too?

I haven't seen anyone call Evan Turner a bust. I have certainly said that Cousins is the better player and has more potential than Evan Turner.

[svnty6rs3]

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Holiday was 19 just like Cousins currently is. You have to access on a curve when looking at teenagers. You have to avoid writing such a young player off while weighing heavily any positives. Holiday still had more potential than Lawson, it just took the majority of the NBA season before Holiday could start competing for being considered the better player. At this very moment, without any doubt, D. Cousins is both the better player and has more potential than Evan Turner. The question is, who will be the better player 5 years from now between Holiday, Jennings, and Curry. Holiday's impressive defensive ability is closing the gap very quickly. There is no doubt that Cousins is superior to Turner.

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how is there no doubt? i would understand if you atleast made this prediction after one season of turner playing in the nba but after 5 summer league games is a little early. There arent many people that cousins had to face this week that were as athletic and big or bigger then him. Lets see how he does in the nba against some quality big men before we declare busts and success stories. Turner was forced to play the 3-spot against players much more athletic who also had a size and weight advantage over him. Everything we have herd from the players and coaches who have actually seen him in practice have been positive. You are willing to discredit what every scout in the nba had listed as the number 2 prospect after 5 summer league games and thats ludicrous.

[Point-God]

]You are willing to discredit what every scout in the nba had listed as the number 2 prospect after 5 summer league games and thats ludicrous.

Well, after 5 summer league games the concerns that I had about Turner before we drafted him have been validated. The varying degrees of positives that I witnessed in Cousin's game before the draft have also been validated. The scouts had Michael Olowokandi as the #1 pick and Sam Bowie was selected ahead of Michael Jordan. These sorts of things happen, it's just best to not dwell in denial about it at any point. I also had Turner rated ahead of Cousins, here is my list before the draft:

1 John Wall 6-4 196 PG Kentucky Fr.
2 Evan Turner 6-7 214 SG Ohio State Jr.
3 DeMarcus Cousins 6-11 292 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
4 Derrick Favors 6-10 245 PF Georgia Tech Fr.
5 Xavier Henry 6-6 210 SG Kansas Fr.
6 Eric Bledsoe 6-1 192 PG/SG Kentucky Fr.
7 Wesley Johnson 6-7 206 SF Syracuse Jr
8 Hassan Whiteside 7-0 227 C Marshall Fr.
9 Patrick Patterson 6-9 240 PF Kentucky Jr.
10 Daniel Orton 6-10 269 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
11 Greg Monroe 6-11 247 PF Georgetown So.
12 Kevin Seraphin 6-9 255 PF (before injury)
13 Cole Aldrich 6-10 236 C Kansas Jr.
14 Paul George 6-9 214 SF Fresno St. So.
15 Quincy Pondexter 6-7 215 SF Washington Sr.
16 Mikhail Torrance 6-5 209 PG/SG Alabama Sr.
17 Terrico White 6-5 203 PG/SG Mississippi So.
18 Ryan Richards 6' 10" 225 PF/C
19 Ed Davis 6-10 227 PF North Carolina So.
20 Al-Farouq Aminu 6-8 216 SF Wake Forest So.
21 James Anderson 6-6 208 SG Oklahoma State Jr.
22 Craig Brackins 6-10 229 PF Iowa St. Jr.
23 Elliot Williams 6-4 180 SG Memphis So.
24 Luke Babbitt 6-9 218 SF/PF Nevada So.
25 Ekpe Udoh 6-10 237 PF Baylor Jr.
26 Sylven Landesberg 6' 6" 185 SG Virginia
27 Jerome Jordan 7-1 244 C Tulsa Sr.
28 Paulao Prestes 6' 10" 265 C
29 Tiny Gallon 6-10 302 PF Oklahoma Fr.
30 Larry Sanders 6-10 222 PF/C VCU Jr.
31 Jerome Randle 5' 10" 160 PG California
32 Lance Stephenson 6-6 227 SG Cincinnati Fr.
33 Avery Bradley 6-3 180 SG Texas Fr.
34 Stanley Robinson 6-8 213 SF UConn Sr.
35 Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech Jr.
36 Armon Johnson 6-3 190 PG/SG Nevada Jr.
37 Manny Harris 6' 5" 170 SG Michigan
38 Ryan Thompson 6-6 210 SG/SF Rider Sr.
39 Solomon Alabi 7-1 237 C Florida St. So.
40 Dominique Jones 6-4 216 SG South Florida Jr
41 Devin Ebanks 6-8 208 SF West Virginia So.
42 Jordan Crawford 6-4 198 SG Xavier So.
43 Greivis Vasquez 6-6 211 PG/SG Maryland Sr.
44 Willie Warren 6-4 208 PG/SG Oklahoma So.
45 Sherron Collins 5-11 217 PG Kansas Sr.
46 Gordon Hayward 6-8 211 SF Butler So.
47 Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Sr.
48 Darington Hobson 6-6 204 SF New Mexico Jr.
49 Dexter Pittman 6-11 303 C Texas Sr.
50 Samardo Samuels 6' 8" 240. PF Louisville
51 Nemanja Bjelica 6-10 223 SF Serbia Intl.
52 Charles Garcia 6-9 232 SF/PF Seattle Jr.
53 Jarvis Varnado 6-9 210 PF Mississippi St. Sr.
54 Trevor Booker 6-7 236 PF Clemson Sr.
55 Aubrey Coleman 6' 4" 200 SG Houston
56 Dwayne Collins 6-8 241 PF Miami Sr.
57 Omar Samhan 6' 11" 265 C Saint Mary's
58 Ben Uzoh 6' 3" 200 PG/SG Tulsa
59 Matt Bouldin 6-5 214 PG/SG Gonzaga Sr.
60 Jeff Foote 7' 0" 265 C Cornell

[ZarcMumoff]

]You are willing to discredit what every scout in the nba had listed as the number 2 prospect after 5 summer league games and thats ludicrous.

Well, after 5 summer league games the concerns that I had about Turner before we drafted him have been validated. The varying degrees of positives that I witnessed in Cousin's game before the draft have also been validated. The scouts had Michael Olowokandi as the #1 pick and Sam Bowie was selected ahead of Michael Jordan. These sorts of things happen, it's just best to not dwell in denial about it at any point. I also had Turner rated ahead of Cousins, here is my list before the draft:

1 John Wall 6-4 196 PG Kentucky Fr.
2 Evan Turner 6-7 214 SG Ohio State Jr.
3 DeMarcus Cousins 6-11 292 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
4 Derrick Favors 6-10 245 PF Georgia Tech Fr.
5 Xavier Henry 6-6 210 SG Kansas Fr.
6 Eric Bledsoe 6-1 192 PG/SG Kentucky Fr.
7 Wesley Johnson 6-7 206 SF Syracuse Jr
8 Hassan Whiteside 7-0 227 C Marshall Fr.
9 Patrick Patterson 6-9 240 PF Kentucky Jr.
10 Daniel Orton 6-10 269 PF/C Kentucky Fr.
11 Greg Monroe 6-11 247 PF Georgetown So.
12 Kevin Seraphin 6-9 255 PF (before injury)
13 Cole Aldrich 6-10 236 C Kansas Jr.
14 Paul George 6-9 214 SF Fresno St. So.
15 Quincy Pondexter 6-7 215 SF Washington Sr.
16 Mikhail Torrance 6-5 209 PG/SG Alabama Sr.
17 Terrico White 6-5 203 PG/SG Mississippi So.
18 Ryan Richards 6' 10" 225 PF/C
19 Ed Davis 6-10 227 PF North Carolina So.
20 Al-Farouq Aminu 6-8 216 SF Wake Forest So.
21 James Anderson 6-6 208 SG Oklahoma State Jr.
22 Craig Brackins 6-10 229 PF Iowa St. Jr.
23 Elliot Williams 6-4 180 SG Memphis So.
24 Luke Babbitt 6-9 218 SF/PF Nevada So.
25 Ekpe Udoh 6-10 237 PF Baylor Jr.
26 Sylven Landesberg 6' 6" 185 SG Virginia
27 Jerome Jordan 7-1 244 C Tulsa Sr.
28 Paulao Prestes 6' 10" 265 C
29 Tiny Gallon 6-10 302 PF Oklahoma Fr.
30 Larry Sanders 6-10 222 PF/C VCU Jr.
31 Jerome Randle 5' 10" 160 PG California
32 Lance Stephenson 6-6 227 SG Cincinnati Fr.
33 Avery Bradley 6-3 180 SG Texas Fr.
34 Stanley Robinson 6-8 213 SF UConn Sr.
35 Gani Lawal 6-9 233 PF Georgia Tech Jr.
36 Armon Johnson 6-3 190 PG/SG Nevada Jr.
37 Manny Harris 6' 5" 170 SG Michigan
38 Ryan Thompson 6-6 210 SG/SF Rider Sr.
39 Solomon Alabi 7-1 237 C Florida St. So.
40 Dominique Jones 6-4 216 SG South Florida Jr
41 Devin Ebanks 6-8 208 SF West Virginia So.
42 Jordan Crawford 6-4 198 SG Xavier So.
43 Greivis Vasquez 6-6 211 PG/SG Maryland Sr.
44 Willie Warren 6-4 208 PG/SG Oklahoma So.
45 Sherron Collins 5-11 217 PG Kansas Sr.
46 Gordon Hayward 6-8 211 SF Butler So.
47 Damion James 6-7 227 SF Texas Sr.
48 Darington Hobson 6-6 204 SF New Mexico Jr.
49 Dexter Pittman 6-11 303 C Texas Sr.
50 Samardo Samuels 6' 8" 240. PF Louisville
51 Nemanja Bjelica 6-10 223 SF Serbia Intl.
52 Charles Garcia 6-9 232 SF/PF Seattle Jr.
53 Jarvis Varnado 6-9 210 PF Mississippi St. Sr.
54 Trevor Booker 6-7 236 PF Clemson Sr.
55 Aubrey Coleman 6' 4" 200 SG Houston
56 Dwayne Collins 6-8 241 PF Miami Sr.
57 Omar Samhan 6' 11" 265 C Saint Mary's
58 Ben Uzoh 6' 3" 200 PG/SG Tulsa
59 Matt Bouldin 6-5 214 PG/SG Gonzaga Sr.
60 Jeff Foote 7' 0" 265 C Cornell

You used the words "Validated" and "Summer League" in the same sentence while the word "Not" was not in the sentence. I stopped reading after I saw that.

[PhillyFan]

No need to quote his list, but I agree with you PK5

People who jump on quick conclusion after 5 summer league games would've predicted Meeks to be an all-star when he dominated in Vegas summer league last year?

Let the season begins before concluding on Turner's game.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Stephen Curry had a hard time in summer league... He was same age as Evan Turner... Is Curry a bust too?

I haven't seen anyone call Evan Turner a bust. I have certainly said that Cousins is the better player and has more potential than Evan Turner.

OH.... well I have... There is a thread about how fat he is.... Seriously.....And we will just have to see about your Cousins prediction. Maybe you are right but I still don't regret us taking Evan Turner and I never will. Not until he falls flat on his face in the NBA which he wont do.

[Point-God]

You used the words "Validated" and "Summer League" in the same sentence while the word "Not" was not in the sentence. I stopped reading after I saw that.

Defenders in the NBA do not get any less athletic or any less lengthy. Evan Turner in college had to double clutch a great deal around the rim and he has a problem with creating space and getting off a quality jump shot against a single defender. Summer league is not to be written off altogether when it comes to the physical deficiency of a 21 year old player with 3 years of college experience. Evan Turner validated in summer league the insurmountable weaknesses I seen in college.

Here's what I wrote about Evan Turner on June 7, 2010

Evan Turner is a unique player who has virtually no bust potential, but his ceiling may be far lower than what people anticipate. His arm length and average vertical leap make all of his shots more like that of a scorer shorter than 6'7". But he doesn't benefit from the speed advantage that those shorter players normally have on defenders. The positive is that he has a knack for scoring and can make the unorthodox shots he'll be forced to take amongst the very long defenders found in the NBA. I've seen Evan Turner have to double clutch in college an alarming amount of times.

[freshie2]

I don't recall many questions about Cousins talent but more his attitude and ability to maintain a manageable weight. 5days into his career he looks pretty good but we'll have to see how the story unfolds. There is a long road ahead for both of them.

[51X3RF4N]

So...to get this back on topic instead of having a draft thread...

SF- any word on if there is a time frame for making a move? Do they have personal deadlines or is it all up in the air?

I'd like to think they set goals and say, "We will work to make a move by XX date."

Also, if you could get your buddy to maybe elaborate as to why we went from "Absolutely not" trading Iggy to all of the sudden "Taking offers and considering them"?

[sixerfan1976]

there is no time frame to make a deal....they got all summer.

Not even convinced they will make a deal..but they are looking.

As for Iguodala. I told ya teams are inquiring..and I told you the offers that I am aware of.

I also told you we prefer to move Thad or Kapono but are at least listening on Iguodala.

That hasnt changed....we arent making counter offers on Andre.

WE are just exploring our options. I do personally like the Ariza deal because I am not as big a fan of Iguodala as some are....but I still say chances of a Kapono or Thad deal are much greater than Iguodala.

If someone offered a star player for iguodala...then those odds may change. But teams arent blowing us away with their offers. It wont be a straight salary dump. Has to make, as Ed says, basketball sense as well.

[51X3RF4N]

Ok thanks! That is about what I expected to hear.

[sixerfan1976]

Adding this here, cause this is the most active thread and this is so wrong that I shouldn't start a new thread...

Supposedly Willie Green opted out ...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4202 ... the-sixers

"The team hit a bit of a bailout with guard Willie Green choosing to opt out with his early termination option, thus becoming a free agent. Green still falls under the team's cap because he could technically stay put, but chances are someone will want his services and his expiring contract."

I don't believe this for a second, since it asn't been reported anywhere.

Do we have a salary figure on Turner? Cmon onsider, don't just tell us the blurb, get us the contract details that AP and sixers.com don't have.

{Edit to add: is the up down up down right left right left b a ba of rg}

If you opt out..you must do so before July 1 and we are supposed to believe bleacherreport.com has that scoop 2 weeks later and no one else does? Also if you opt out..you are a free agent with no cap ramifications. This is 100% BS.

And i dont know turner's contract...its not the kind of stuff that I talk about with my buddy. I am sure its close to the slotted amount that a #2 pick gets.

[sixerfan1976]

From philly.com

"The signing of Turner was simple enough, and Stefanski remains busy, trying to better his club.

"It's kind of what I thought, now that the LeBron [James] situation is settled," he said. "Now you see teams looking for a wider array of ideas. We're talking to teams, but I don't see anything happening right away. We are actively talking to teams." *


Ed isnt in a hurry...they know they got maybe one more move left..and he has til October 1 or so to make it. I got a sense that they make keep just 13 players on the roster unless they do a 2 for 1 trade where they get the 2. so its possible that barring a trade..no vet min guy gets signed

[SJSF]

Like i said before and i will say again. Iggy is gone. He doesn't fit with this team and what they need. Jrue and ET will dominate the ball and Iggy's touches will go down along with his numbers. Paying 80m for a defensive stopper is crazy. Ariza is a good fit at what half the cost. This team is looking to cut payroll and make themselves better. Iggy doesn't make them better. He makes them what a 40 win team? A 27 win team? Too much Iggy love here. If he was a good 3 point shooter like a Jason Richardson or someone like that, it would be great. BUt they need defense and outside shooting for the 3. And Iggy has been replaced by ET at that position as a playmaker. They need to cut payroll.