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Re: Nerlens Noel will be 2014-2015 rookie of the year 

Post#641 » by 76ciology » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:25 am

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76ciology wrote:I know he's got burned a handful of times off the PnR. But when you think about it Noel is close to being the best PnR defender on eyetest (I don't have access to the numbers). I mean, when the ball handler drives he either swipes it or challenges his shot at rim. If the handler decides to pull-up he can challenge it with his length. Basically the better move against Noel is to take that challenged pull-up jumper than to take it inside and challenge him in the paint where he can either swipe the ball from you via steals or block.

He's really a very versatile defender and a very special defender that can anchor a team's defense. I haven't seen one like this since Pippen and prime gerald wallace/Kirilenko.

But his offense needs work. And it starts by having a more consistent jumper and FT.


I hope he's near as good as you describe. I haven't seen much of him, but I wanted us to draft him, so I hope he does that for you:)


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You guys got a good player there in Dipo. A very good 2 way player, can create on offense and is a lockdown defender.

No question on Noel's defense against guards off PnR, they usually get swiped or blocked. The problem lies more on his post defense but the post player needs to get the pass first or make sure the ball don't get swiped by Noel off the dribble at the post and it's not that easy against Noel.
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Re: Nerlens Noel will be 2014-2015 rookie of the year 

Post#642 » by ZarcMumoff » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:34 am

sixers238 wrote:Well, he's top 10 in blocks and steals. The issue for him is that defensive rebounding is valued so highly for his position, which he lacks in comparison to other centers.


He'll become a better rebounder as he continues to add strength/weight. Still only 20 years old.
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Post#643 » by ZarcMumoff » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:39 am

XDevilBoiX wrote:And people wants to trade him away :banghead:


I haven't seen many (if any) people who want to trade Noel. People are just simply open to the option.
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Post#644 » by DaddyCool19 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:06 pm

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sixers238 wrote:Well, he's top 10 in blocks and steals. The issue for him is that defensive rebounding is valued so highly for his position, which he lacks in comparison to other centers.


He'll become a better rebounder as he continues to add strength/weight. Still only 20 years old.


How much does he weigh right now? Are the 228 lbs legit on nba.com and wikipedia? He was like 210 lbs at the draft combine and some people were doubting he could even get up to 235-240 lbs. Does that seem doable for him without losing athleticism
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Post#645 » by Ericb5 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:12 pm

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sixers238 wrote:Well, he's top 10 in blocks and steals. The issue for him is that defensive rebounding is valued so highly for his position, which he lacks in comparison to other centers.


He'll become a better rebounder as he continues to add strength/weight. Still only 20 years old.


How much does he weigh right now? Are the 228 lbs legit on nba.com and wikipedia? He was like 210 lbs at the draft combine and some people were doubting he could even get up to 235-240 lbs. Does that seem doable for him without losing athleticism


I think the last update was 220.
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Post#646 » by CoreyGallagher » Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:18 pm

Noel's blocks+steals numbers since All-Star break compared to the rest of the league (per Bodner).

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Post#647 » by 42uptop » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:09 pm

His rebounding has also gone up significantly.
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Post#648 » by roma258 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:00 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:Noel's blocks+steals numbers since All-Star break compared to the rest of the league (per Bodner).

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Lol.

He's a defensive savant. I see no reason why he won't be at least average on offense. He's like the reverse Harden.
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Post#649 » by davidwho76er » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:35 pm

People need to remember that Noel is no weaker or skinnier then Tyson Chandler was when he was 20 hell Tyson was even skinnier, and not even close to being the same kind of Athlete that Noel is. And look how valuable Tyson has been over his career once he did mature physically and gained strength. He is considered a top-5 best defensive Center of all time. And Noel definitely has more offensive potential. I think to give up on him in almost any sort of a trade is ridiculous. I mean okay, if it's for a legit Super Star like talent that is one thing. But just for yet another UNPROVEN draft prospect....that would be silly.
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Post#650 » by Wilfried » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:49 pm

He's Marcus Camby guys.

Let's hope without all the injuries (althoug MC had a pretty stable and long career)
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Post#651 » by MountainDrew » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:55 pm

Wilfried wrote:He's Marcus Camby guys.

Let's hope without all the injuries (althoug MC had a pretty stable and long career)


Camby averaged 1 steal per game during his career. Nerlens has the quickest hands for a center I've ever seen, so they really aren't that similar. Noel is absolutely unreal on defense, especially considering he's just 20 years old.

Just saying "he's Marcus Camby" is incredibly lazy imo. Don't like the comparison at all.
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Post#652 » by 76ciology » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:04 pm

davidwho76er wrote:People need to remember that Noel is no weaker or skinnier then Tyson Chandler was when he was 20 hell Tyson was even skinnier, and not even close to being the same kind of Athlete that Noel is. And look how valuable Tyson has been over his career once he did mature physically and gained strength. He is considered a top-5 best defensive Center of all time. And Noel definitely has more offensive potential. I think to give up on him in almost any sort of a trade is ridiculous. I mean okay, if it's for a legit Super Star like talent that is one thing. But just for yet another UNPROVEN draft prospect....that would be silly.


For me, Noel's body type is more like KG.
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Post#653 » by davidwho76er » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:04 pm

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Wilfried wrote:He's Marcus Camby guys.

Let's hope without all the injuries (althoug MC had a pretty stable and long career)


Camby averaged 1 steal per game during his career. Nerlens has the quickest hands for a center I've ever seen, so they really aren't that similar. Noel is absolutely unreal on defense, especially considering he's just 20 years old.

Just saying "he's Marcus Camby" is incredibly lazy imo. Don't like the comparison at all.




I agree sir. I am NOT saying Noel is the same but...in a lot of ways Noel reminds me of a young David Robinson..JUST as it goes to his quickness with his hands and his explosiveness. Robinson was the only other NBA Rookie Center who averaged more then 1.5 Blocks & 1.5 steals in his rookie season...Noel will be the second to do it. And Robinson was a lot more Physically mature as a rookie Center then Noel is. That's because David had that 2 year Navy commitment to do before he was a rookie.


But as far as Offense goes, and Muscular built...no..Noel is not David Robinson. I HOPE he can be some day but not yet. :D
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Post#654 » by Wilfried » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:05 pm

I am lazy, but just because Camby didn't have the same amout of steals, saying you can't compare both, is as lazy :-)
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Post#655 » by 76ciology » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:08 pm

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Wilfried wrote:He's Marcus Camby guys.

Let's hope without all the injuries (althoug MC had a pretty stable and long career)


Camby averaged 1 steal per game during his career. Nerlens has the quickest hands for a center I've ever seen, so they really aren't that similar. Noel is absolutely unreal on defense, especially considering he's just 20 years old.

Just saying "he's Marcus Camby" is incredibly lazy imo. Don't like the comparison at all.


Yeah, there was like this one possession against the Bulls where Noel was able to deflect/swipe the ball for 2-3 times. I can't remember the exact sequence but he swiped the ball from Brooks to Gasol.

He's like the perfect PnR big man defender. The best move against him is for the guard to take the shot mid range against his semi-challenge arms, rather than risk getting the ball swiped and getting his shot blocked against Noel. Noel's also got the capability to guard guards like Wall in ISO situation from time to time. I've never seen this kind of versatility from a defensive player since KG, Pippen or prime Kirilenko/Gerald Wallace.
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Post#656 » by davidwho76er » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:10 pm

Wilfried wrote:I am lazy, but just because Camby didn't have the same amout of steals, saying you can't compare both, is as lazy :-)




Camby was in no way like Noel. Camby was like the " Tin Man " in the Wizard of Oz. His movements were methodical and mechanical...not the Ultra-fast reactionary movements that Nerlens has. Noel's " Fast Twitch " physical skills are off the charts. That is why he gets so many steals and alters so many of the opponents shots.
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Post#657 » by Mik317 » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:11 pm

Camby had a damn good career
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Post#658 » by MountainDrew » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:14 pm

Wilfried wrote:I am lazy, but just because Camby didn't have the same amout of steals, saying you can't compare both, is as lazy :-)


Well you said Noel=Camby, and I pointed out a difference proving that Noel=/= Camby :P I just think Noel with his incredible speed and quickness combined with great shotblocking makes him a very unique player, not really comparable to Camby who was a very good defender in his own right, just a bit more one-dimensional.
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Post#659 » by CoreyGallagher » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:18 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... abe01.html

Quicker Ben Wallace, although with more offensive upside. Wallace's offensive efficiency numbers weren't putrid because he was hardly involved, Noel has shown glimpses that he could eventually be. Also, he can already shoot free throws.

Honestly, it's humorous attempting to predict what Noel could be because we're already comparing his defensive numbers to greats and he's a 20 year old rookie, Ben Wallace came in at 22 and sucked.
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Post#660 » by Sixerscan » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:22 pm

He's 20 years old and has played 60 games at a sub league average PER. He's not as much of a known quantity as you guys are making him out to be.

Don't rule it out, should be the main point. Guarantee Hinkie hasn't.

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