Around the league 2016-2017

[Unbreakable99]

Don't look at Kris Dunn's line or game tonight against the Suns, it will melt your face with its badness.

They cut his legs out from under him, playing him just 14 minutes and leaving the regressing Rubio out there for 34. Still one of the only 4 players on the Timberwolves with a positive plus/minus last night.

Would you trade Noel to the Celtics?

[76ers]

The Celtics need rim protection in the worst way... but damn I'd be heated if he went to Boston. Noel is exactly what they need.

If they're gonna trade him send him out West.

[Kobblehead]

I would trade him to Boston. With Embiid, Simmons and assets to add more top talent, I'm not afraid of any team in the conference, going forward.

[Slizeezyc]

Don't look at Kris Dunn's line or game tonight against the Suns, it will melt your face with its badness.

They cut his legs out from under him, playing him just 14 minutes and leaving the regressing Rubio out there for 34. Still one of the only 4 players on the Timberwolves with a positive plus/minus last night.

This is some serious Prokaforing. You can't do what he did in his minutes and expect to get more minutes than he got. He was unplayable. It doesn't mean he's not a prospect still, just say "he was bad" and move on to the next game -- because he was. And one-game plus/minus is always one of the worst things to clue in on to prove anything.

[HartfordWhalers]

Demarcus Cousins has the face of a man smelling a particularly bad fart in an enclose elevator anytime the whistle is blown

[Ericb5]

Don't look at Kris Dunn's line or game tonight against the Suns, it will melt your face with its badness.

They cut his legs out from under him, playing him just 14 minutes and leaving the regressing Rubio out there for 34. Still one of the only 4 players on the Timberwolves with a positive plus/minus last night.

Would you trade Noel to the Celtics?

I'm fine trading him to Boston if we trade him anywhere, as long as the value is good.

I no longer want to trade him though.

I would have traded him for Smart a month or two ago, but I wouldn't do that anymore.


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[eagereyez]

Embiid is now 6th in RPM among centers. 9th in ORPM and 11th in DRPM. Was originally ranked somewhere in the low 30s when RPM was first released for this season. Towns is 12th. Okafor is still dead last.

[kriss73]

Free Butler!

[Ericb5]

The knicks are apparently working hard to trade Melo, and have been talking to the Celtics, and Clippers.

This is good for us potentially if Jackson still likes Okafor because maybe he can be one of the pieces that the Knicks take back in a deal.

[Unbreakable99]

The knicks are apparently working hard to trade Melo, and have been talking to the Celtics, and Clippers.

This is good for us potentially if Jackson still likes Okafor because maybe he can be one of the pieces that the Knicks take back in a deal.

It would need to be a 3 way deal then because I wouldn't want Melo. And I doubt Phil values Okafor. I doubt any GM values him much. But maybe Okafor can get in on the trade and go somewhere and we get back something.

[Kobblehead]

Brandon Ingram:

- 2 for 23 in his last three games
- 2 points per game in his last three games
- held scoreless in his last two games (40 minutes of gameplay)
- continues to be a terrible defender

[CoreyGallagher]

Yeah, if Ingram were to have stayed and performed better in college this season than I could understand warranting him being drafted so highly, but betting it all on his potential is risky - especially when most of that potential is strictly rooted in his length. Dude could seriously just be another Cabolco.

[Unbreakable99]

How do most Laker fans feel about Ingram? I know there were many who proclaimed they wanted him over Simmons anyway. I got into a debate with a Laker fan yesterday and he was talking about Simmons saying Ingram was better and he wanted him before the draft. Do most Laker fans still think highly of Ingram and view him as a franchise player?

[Ericb5]

The knicks are apparently working hard to trade Melo, and have been talking to the Celtics, and Clippers.

This is good for us potentially if Jackson still likes Okafor because maybe he can be one of the pieces that the Knicks take back in a deal.

It would need to be a 3 way deal then because I wouldn't want Melo. And I doubt Phil values Okafor. I doubt any GM values him much. But maybe Okafor can get in on the trade and go somewhere and we get back something.

Obviously. I'm not saying that I want Melo at all. I just mean that if Jackson likes Okafor more than Smart lets say, then conceivably we could facilitate a deal with Boston for them.

It sounds like they are going to trade him to the Clippers for peanuts though, so it doesn't seem like we can assist.

[Ericb5]

Yeah, if Ingram were to have stayed and performed better in college this season than I could understand warranting him being drafted so highly, but betting it all on his potential is risky - especially when most of that potential is strictly rooted in his length. Dude could seriously just be another Cabolco.

Are you saying that he shouldn't have gone second last year?

I personally thought that he was the only logical choice for the second pick last year. In the modern one and done world, the best thing for him was to come out last year, but if he was independently wealthy already, and we were only talking about what is best for his basketball development, I think that he should have stayed in college.

You can be not ready for the league as a guard like Lavine easier than being not ready as a forward. I think that Ingram's lack of strength is a real issue in the NBA as a forward, and he doesn't have great quickness to make up for it.

I still think that he is a born scorer, and will eventually grow into a two way player at the 3, but he is going to need some time.

[CoreyGallagher]

I don't know, I don't really understand what warrants some with potential to be more touted about than others, especially after having the benefit of hindsight and seeing where they're actually beginning at.

Ultimately, I don't mind Ingram being chosen second, it's not as if we chose him there, it's whatever now. Eventually we'll see if he warranted going that high, but he has much more growing and developing to do that I thought he did.

[Slizeezyc]

I don't know, I don't really understand what warrants some with potential to be more touted about than others, especially after having the benefit of hindsight and seeing where they're actually beginning at.

Ultimately, I don't mind Ingram being chosen second, it's not as if we chose him there, it's whatever now. Eventually we'll see if he warranted going that high, but he has much more growing and developing to do that I thought he did.

Either way, this is a historically bad draft class being propped up by Embiid having rookie eligibility. Jamal Murray might be the only guy in the top 10 who you can feel good about, and even that comes with all the same worries people still had about him (horrendous defense) still being intact.

Like, if Saric and Embiid weren't eligible, TLC might be in an argument for first-team rookie, which is terrifying.

[Unbreakable99]

Without Embiid the ROY winner would come down to Brogden vs Saric lol. That's horrible lol.

[Kobblehead]

All the bad teams with developmental roles available took overrated scrub prospects (go figure). A lot of good prospects got stuck in logjam situations.

[ProcessDoctor]

GS looks like they will own the league for the next 4-6 years if they can keep the big 4 intact. Just another reminder not to rush what we have going for us.