2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

SelfishPlayer · Post #641 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:40 pm

De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

PhilBlackson · Post #642 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:41 pm

LloydFree wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
Chris76 wrote:
Hinkie was so intriguing that you were shocked after his trades. He would be trading forward not backwards, now. He would trade the #3 for an established star or take Jackson or Ball.

That's the thing though about this trade rumour...assuming Ball is taken by the Lakers (which I don't believe for one sec won't happen, smokescreen written all over it) and SAC really does want Fox at 3 then there is a very good chance that Jackson will still be available at 5 and it's not like Tatum would be a bad outcome lol. I really think PHX would lean more towards Tatum because they need another scorer but again he's not a bad a haul and Fox doesn't fit here so really you're looking at the same names at 5 that you were at 3 but now you have an opportunity to add one of Dennis Smith Jr, Monk or Ntilikina just for your troubles lol that's crazy.

I'll say it again, don't be surprised when Ntlikina is very close to being as good as Fox. Fox is the slightly quicker player but FN is the better shooter (which is more needed here) and his defence is just as good. If not you add a lights out shooter like Monk to rain 3s down all night with Korkmaz or *ahem* Dennis Smith Jr....the guy really looks like he's going to be a Lowry/Baron Davis hybrid. If this trade is on the table and Ball or Fultz don't actually drop to #3 then this trade is a no brainer imo.

Josh Jackson is one of the 2 best players in this draft, if not the best player. There is zero chance he's on the board at #5. He fits Phoenix like a glove and they'd be thanking the heavens, if the 76ers and Kings passed him up.

I personally don't agree that he fits them like a glove because PHX is in need of another scorer to not be so reliant on Booker so Tatum makes a lot of sense there imo but of course I don't rule it out and PHX could want JJ. I like Jackson a ton and you've seen me say that PHI needs to draft him and run (this was under the assumption a trade like this wasn't on the table) but I'm not quite as high on him as you as to say that he one of the top 2, if not THE best player...so my willingness to make this trade is higher. If you're asking me would I rather take Jackson alone or Tatum PLUS one of Dennis Smith Jr or Frank Ntilikina, I'm going with option B personally.

PhilBlackson · Post #643 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:44 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

That would be hilarious imo :lol:

and unbelievably good break that suddenly one of Fultz or Ball is available.

Kobblehead · Post #644 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:45 pm

Why is Josh Jackson being disregarded as a scorer? He averaged .5 less ppg in 3 less mpg than Tatum and had a better Per-40 scoring projection than him.

AdotSmoove · Post #645 » by **AdotSmoove** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:49 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Taking a great athlete with shooting skill isn't the worst strategy when it comes to the draft.

I just think the best route to take to get to the point where you're perennially contending is to fill up your roster with defensive players with a reasonable amount of offensive ability.

Malik Monk will probably find a nice niche in this league. Like Zach Lavine has. Like Malik Beasley might. Like Ben McLemore should have. But I don't think that kind of player will ever be a catalyst for winning basketball. That's a supplemental piece you add after you have your 2-way core, IMO.

Isn't our two-way core Embiid and Simmons though

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the_process · Post #646 » by **the_process** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:53 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

That would be the most Danny Ainge move ever :lol:

I hope you're right, although I doubt it.

Negrodamus · Post #647 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 3:54 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:
Jamal Murray...

What about him? Has the book been written on the 19 year old after one year at Denver where many would say he was promising despite being in a saturated backcourt?

Monk can come right in and play off ball right away in the starting lineup with no problems, trust the process, #tankgang

Oh yeah, and Donovan Mitchell is day one plug and play too, they both are perfect with Ben Simmons starting at point guard exploiting his mismatch against these smallish NBA point guards. #tankgang

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but that's come to be expected.

Chris76 · Post #648 » by **Chris76** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:02 pm

PhilBlackson wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

That would be hilarious imo and unbelievably good break that suddenly one of Fultz or Ball is available.

It's amazing how underrated Fox has become. He is a better defender than Fultz or Ball. He is lightning quick and a great midrange game. I think #1 is a reach, but i would like him a lot on the sixers. A defender that could slow down Westbrook or harden is very valuable in the playoffs.

Eyeamok · Post #649 » by **Eyeamok** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:16 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

No thanks necessary I fixed it for you.

OleSchool · Post #650 » by **OleSchool** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:18 pm

Chris76 wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:De'aaron Fox is getting drafted #1 overall.

That would be hilarious imo and unbelievably good break that suddenly one of Fultz or Ball is available.

It's amazing how underrated Fox has become. He is a better defender than Fultz or Ball. He is lightning quick and a great midrange game. I think #1 is a reach, but i would like him a lot on the sixers. A defender that could slow down Westbrook or harden is very valuable in the playoffs.

Underrated? Fox has had the biggest rise since the end of the CBB season. I remember seeing mocks with him at like 8 -10. Now I see him possibly up to 2.

I dont think anyone is underrating Fox, if anything people are overrating him

Kobblehead · Post #651 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:20 pm

Chris76 wrote:It's amazing how underrated Fox has become. He is a better defender than Fultz or Ball. He is lightning quick and a great midrange game. I think #1 is a reach, but i would like him a lot on the sixers. A defender that could slow down Westbrook or harden is very valuable in the playoffs.

I think Fox is a bit overrated as a defender. He's physically weak and his energy expenditure waned on the defensive end as the season went on, as he focused more on being a penetrating scoring guard.

PhilBlackson · Post #652 » by **PhilBlackson** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:35 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Chris76 wrote:It's amazing how underrated Fox has become. He is a better defender than Fultz or Ball. He is lightning quick and a great midrange game. I think #1 is a reach, but i would like him a lot on the sixers. A defender that could slow down Westbrook or harden is very valuable in the playoffs.

I think Fox is a bit overrated as a defender. He's physically weak and his energy expenditure waned on the defensive end as the season went on, as he focused more on being a penetrating scoring guard.

Then you take into account how much longer n more gruelling the NBA season is....

In addition to Fox not being quite as agile and definitely not as strong as Wall was/is then it gives you a better perspective on hype vs reality.

Kobblehead · Post #653 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:36 pm

Man, just imagine....

SelfishPlayer · Post #654 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 4:49 pm

De'aaron Fox is going #1 overall, but if the Sixers can draft him at #3 and sign Gordon Hayward to whatever he wants, I believe the Sixers will be in the Finals next season.

Ericb5 · Post #655 » by **Ericb5** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:05 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
LloydFree wrote:Josh Jackson is one of the 2 best players in this draft, if not the best player. There is zero chance he's on the board at #5. He fits Phoenix like a glove and they'd be thanking the heavens, if the 76ers and Kings passed him up.

I'm still not convinced Jackson will be on the board at #3, let alone somehow falling to #5.

Agreed. If we are trading down to 5 it is because we have decided that Jackson isn't worth it. We would be passing on him.

I want us to just stay where we are and select him, but if Bryan doesn't like him then we should trade down for anyone else. If he likes Tatum best then we should definitely trade down because Tatum will be there at 5 assuming that the Kings take Fox and the Suns take Jackson.

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HotelVitale · Post #656 » by **HotelVitale** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:40 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:[Jamal Murray...
What about him? Has the book been written on the 19 year old after one year at Denver where many would say he was promising despite being in a saturated backcourt?

I'm not sure if you're trolling--do you really think it's useful to focus on where players played and assume that the like inherent essence of the school effects his outcome? Sounds like one of those awful sports discussions with my uncle that I have to slink away from after like three sentences. It's dumb for so many reasons, most obviously because there's no history to support it.

PhilBlackson wrote: In addition to Fox not being quite as agile and definitely not as strong as Wall was/is then it gives you a better perspective on hype vs reality.

Seems like a straw man and a bad way to think about Fox to compare him with Wall. No reasonable person who likes Fox thinks he's much like Wall, and it's not really a knock against him that he doesn't have the same physical package Wall did (there are like 4 players in the past 15 years that could compare with Wall's pure physical talent).

51X3RF4N · Post #657 » by **51X3RF4N** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:51 pm

Kobblehead wrote:

Man, just imagine....

Who is this dude? His head is awfully funny looking.

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SelfishPlayer · Post #658 » by **SelfishPlayer** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 5:52 pm

There's nothing stopping De'aaron Fox from averaging more points per game than John Wall. Wall is on public record for saying that Fox reminds him of himself and that Fox will probably be the best player from this draft down the road while Fultz will probably be the best immediately.

Chris76 · Post #659 » by **Chris76** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:11 pm

SelfishPlayer wrote:There's nothing stopping De'aaron Fox from averaging more points per game than John Wall. Wall is on public record for saying that Fox reminds him of himself and that Fox will probably be the best player from this draft down the road while Fultz will probaboy be the best immediately.

Tough to pass on Jackson, but Fox could be the point guard we need. Everybody says he can't shoot, but he seems like the type of kid to prove everybody wrong.

Negrodamus · Post #660 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Jun 7, 2017 6:16 pm

HotelVitale wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
SelfishPlayer wrote:[Jamal Murray...
What about him? Has the book been written on the 19 year old after one year at Denver where many would say he was promising despite being in a saturated backcourt?

I'm not sure if you're trolling--do you really think it's useful to focus on where players played and assume that the like inherent essence of the school effects his outcome? Sounds like one of those awful sports discussions with my uncle that I have to slink away from after like three sentences. It's dumb for so many reasons, most obviously because there's no history to support it.

PhilBlackson wrote: In addition to Fox not being quite as agile and definitely not as strong as Wall was/is then it gives you a better perspective on hype vs reality.

Seems like a straw man and a bad way to think about Fox to compare him with Wall. No reasonable person who likes Fox thinks he's much like Wall, and it's not really a knock against him that he doesn't have the same physical package Wall did (there are like 4 players in the past 15 years that could compare with Wall's pure physical talent).

I assume you're not speaking to me, right?