Markelle Fultz Discussion II

FlightBrothers · Post #641 » by **FlightBrothers** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:33 pm

Can you imagine what his teammates think of him and all that nonsense he has created?

Negrodamus · Post #642 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:34 pm

FlightBrothers wrote:Can you imagine what his teammates think of him and all that nonsense he has created?

Probably nothing. Can you really fault a young player for trying to work hard on their game to improve? Why would anyone hold anything against Fultz? He didn't do any of this.

Kobblehead · Post #643 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:36 pm

MambaJuice wrote:I am starting to think the medical staff encouraged Fultz to play through the injury (soreness? We don't even know what this is) to avoid the stigma of having yet another top pick out with injury. Maybe they wanted to avoid speculation about a red shirt year or the questions about the competence of the medical staff.

IDK, they denied the injury but they had to have known. Everyone who watched Fultz could tell he didn't look right. I'm relieved it's an injured shoulder. Let him sit as long as it takes and he'll be the prospect we thought he was once he comes back.

See, I don't agree with that.

He's playing, by far, the most physical brand of ball I've seen him play. He's been very aggressive driving the basketball and encountering contact in the paint. He's been very engaging in man-defense (he's been our best defensive guard, by far).

Nothing about his play style has been indicative of a legitimate shoulder injury. Injured players don't embrace physicality on both ends like Fultz has. They shy away from it.

Unbreakable99 · Post #644 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:36 pm

I don’t fault Fultz for trying to change his shot. There’s nothing wrong with that. I do fault BC for throwing him under the bus. He should be more sensitive to his players. I think Fultz appears mentally weak and I think positive enforcement is necessary for him not throwing him under the bus even if it is his fault.

MambaJuice · Post #645 » by **MambaJuice** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:43 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
MambaJuice wrote:I am starting to think the medical staff encouraged Fultz to play through the injury (soreness? We don't even know what this is) to avoid the stigma of having yet another top pick out with injury. Maybe they wanted to avoid speculation about a red shirt year or the questions about the competence of the medical staff.

IDK, they denied the injury but they had to have known. Everyone who watched Fultz could tell he didn't look right. I'm relieved it's an injured shoulder. Let him sit as long as it takes and he'll be the prospect we thought he was once he comes back.

See, I don't agree with that.

He's playing, by far, the most physical brand of ball I've seen him play. He's been very aggressive driving the basketball and encountering contact in the paint. He's been very engaging in man-defense (he's been our best defensive guard, by far).

Nothing about his play style has been indicative of a legitimate shoulder injury. Injured players don't embrace physicality on both ends like Fultz has. They shy away from it.

I think the injury explains why he changed his free throw as well as his reluctance to shoot. As for why he's driving more and playing more defense I think he's trying to overcompensate for his lack of shooting. If he can't shoot from deep, he has to take it to the lane where he will encounter resistance and contact. And since his O isn't there, he's trying to make up for it with more physical D. There's no way his shooting fell off a cliff just because he lacks confidence. Gotta be shoulder related.

bryanwithawhy · Post #646 » by **bryanwithawhy** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:48 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I don’t fault Fultz for trying to change his shot. There’s nothing wrong with that. I do fault BC for throwing him under the bus. He should be more sensitive to his players. I think Fultz appears mentally weak and I think positive enforcement is necessary for him not throwing him under the bus even if it is his fault.

I think the truth is that Markelle had some shoulder soreness that was independent of his trying to change his shot. The Sixers determined there was nothing structurally wrong with the shoulder, it was just sore and a little tight. Because Colangelo is an idiot and cares about his interests before everyone else (and even that was short-sighted because this makes him look worse), he wanted Fultz to start the year so the Sixers didn't get **** for another red shirt year.

Fultz trying to work through a tight shoulder and a changed shot and lack of confidence heading into the NBA as the number one pick of a team who traded multiple picks to get you has lost his mojo. He looks like he has the basketball equivalent of the yips. He isn't resorting to muscle memory to shoot. He is thinking too much and it's caused one of the ugliest shots in recent memory. I think Fultz is mentally weak which is probably why Ainge passed when they did a series of mental tests. But, I also think the Sixers handled this terribly and should have held him out for a few weeks until they could help him regain his confidence and figure out the shoulder injury.

edit:

looks like we have a smoking gun: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/78oh8n/futz_putting_in_work_three_weeks_ago/

God, the Sixers ownership is horrendous. What the hell is going on with their medical staff and strength trainers?

Negrodamus · Post #647 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:49 pm

Fultz being mentally weak might be the strangest, yet laziest, diagnosis of this problem.

LloydFree · Post #648 » by **LloydFree** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Negrodamus wrote:Alright, lets make some predictions:

Does Fultz come back after 3 games and we see a normal free throw?
Does he come back after 3 games and we see a jacked up free throw?
Does he come back after more than 3 games and his shot is back to normal?

I say option A. He comes back with a normal Free throw form and that transforms him back to becoming the next Dwayne Wade...

JojoSlimbiid · Post #649 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:50 pm

Get cut from J.V and build yourself into the #1 pick in the draft only to have keyboard warriors call you mentally weak.

Post #650 » by **Yuri Vaultin** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:52 pm

MambaJuice wrote:I am starting to think the medical staff encouraged Fultz to play through the injury (soreness? We don't even know what this is) to avoid the stigma of having yet another top pick out with injury. Maybe they wanted to avoid speculation about a red shirt year or the questions about the competence of the medical staff.

IDK, they denied the injury but they had to have known. Everyone who watched Fultz could tell he didn't look right. I'm relieved it's an injured shoulder. Let him sit as long as it takes and he'll be the prospect we thought he was once he comes back.

You don't let the first overall pick and potential star guard play through injuries so severe that he changes his shot mechanics. Is this your medical team??:

Unbreakable99 · Post #651 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:53 pm

Number one pick ladies and gentlemen.

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Kobblehead · Post #652 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:54 pm

MambaJuice wrote:I think the injury explains why he changed his free throw as well as his reluctance to shoot. As for why he's driving more and playing more defense I think he's trying to overcompensate for his lack of shooting. If he can't shoot from deep, he has to take it to the lane where he will encounter resistance and contact. And since his O isn't there, he's trying to make up for it with more physical D. There's no way his shooting fell off a cliff just because he lacks confidence. Gotta be shoulder related.

I know why he's driving more and playing more defense. I'm asking how he can do those things with a legitimate shoulder injury. Being an aggressive slasher and physical defender are extremely taxing acts.

So far, our only evidence of legitimate shoulder injury is an unwilling to shoot and a form change. Neither of those things can 100% be proven as a physical issue. They could very well be confidence-related and mental. Maybe he overreacted to slight discomfort and is now convinced he has a major shoulder issue and has psyched himself out.

I'm choosing to believe it's a psychological issue because his aggressive, physically taxing playstyle is not indicative of someone with a shoulder injury. He's playing out of character of a hurt player.

Post #653 » by **BullyKing** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:54 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:I don’t fault Fultz for trying to change his shot. There’s nothing wrong with that. I do fault BC for throwing him under the bus. He should be more sensitive to his players. I think Fultz appears mentally weak and I think positive enforcement is necessary for him not throwing him under the bus even if it is his fault.

I think positive enforcement and not throwing people under the bus is generally a sound leadership plan regardless of whether your employee is mentally weak (although really, c'mon man).

Unbreakable99 · Post #654 » by **Unbreakable99** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:55 pm

JojoSlimbiid wrote:Get cut from J.V and build yourself into the #1 pick in the draft only to have keyboard warriors call you mentally weak.

Having a great work ethic doesn’t mean one can’t be mentally weak. The two are mutually exclusive. Dwight Howard is a great talent and has had a good career. He seems mentally weak too. And I said he may be mentally weak. I’m not saying he is. I would need more information and playing to say he is mentally weak.

KrazySixersD · Post #655 » by **KrazySixersD** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:56 pm

wait, so now they are saying it as if he isn't shooting because he chooses not too, not because of the shoulder?

I hate this front office, with so much passion

JojoSlimbiid · Post #656 » by **JojoSlimbiid** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:57 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Get cut from J.V and build yourself into the #1 pick in the draft only to have keyboard warriors call you mentally weak.

Having a great work ethic doesn’t mean one can’t be mentally weak. The two are mutually exclusive. Dwight Howard is a great talent and has had a good career. He seems mentally weak too. And I said he may be mentally weak. I’m not saying he is. I would need more information and playing to say he is mentally weak.

Whatever we know your agenda you can stop quoting me now.

Post #657 » by **BullyKing** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:57 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Number one pick ladies and gentlemen.

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So either it wasn't obvious to you that Fultz was hesitant since summer league to shoot from distance before Colangelo pointed it out or you just saw yet another excuse to manufacture a shot at the kid and couldn't hold back.

bryanwithawhy · Post #658 » by **bryanwithawhy** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:58 pm

Everyone take a look at the video here: no wonder he hurt his shoulder. What is the strength trainer thinking? https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/78oh8n/futz_putting_in_work_three_weeks_ago/

Post #659 » by **BullyKing** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:59 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:
JojoSlimbiid wrote:Get cut from J.V and build yourself into the #1 pick in the draft only to have keyboard warriors call you mentally weak.

Having a great work ethic doesn’t mean one can’t be mentally weak. The two are mutually exclusive. Dwight Howard is a great talent and has had a good career. He seems mentally weak too. And I said he may be mentally weak. I’m not saying he is. I would need more information and playing to say he is mentally weak.

Oh so you can saw he seems mentally weak but you wouldn't actually say he is mentally weak without evidence.

MR28 · Post #660 » by **MR28** » Wed Oct 25, 2017 4:59 pm

Unbreakable99 wrote:Number one pick ladies and gentlemen.

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Why would he take shots he doesn't feel he's capable of making? That would just hurt the team.