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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#641 » by XDevilBoiX » Thu Nov 28, 2019 6:51 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:That being said, we also have to consider Brett's influence here, it takes a monumental effort for a player to improve under Brett. This is why I want to see Brett gone way before thinking about trading Simmons, you never know what even an average coach could do with these players. He is that bad.

Exactly, we’ve turned the roster over every year for the past few years and the outcome has been the same. I want to see what a new coach can do before we turn it over again.
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Post#642 » by ProcessDoctor » Thu Nov 28, 2019 7:08 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:That being said, we also have to consider Brett's influence here, it takes a monumental effort for a player to improve under Brett. This is why I want to see Brett gone way before thinking about trading Simmons, you never know what even an average coach could do with these players. He is that bad.

Exactly, we’ve turned the roster over every year for the past few years and the outcome has been the same. I want to see what a new coach can do before we turn it over again.


This is becoming my sentiment, as well (and I've been a Brett supporter). We are STACKED but don't play like it. Many fans (including non-sixers fans) would argue that we have the best starting 5 in the league.

I think if we don't get to the Finals, he's gone. We ought to bring in a coach who has a less suffocating/restrictive offense and trade Tobias for a guard who can run the pick-n-roll and run the half-court offense.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#643 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:30 am

Brand’s biggest blunder is letting Fultz go. Its a matter of time before he’ll prove the league why he’s the best player in the 2017 draft.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#644 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:32 am

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Post#645 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 4:35 am

You can also quote me here. BC’s biggest no.1 pick blunder is not choosing Bargnani over LMA. It’s gonna be choosing Ben over Ingram. I can’t help but imagine how much better Ingram is going to be in the future. He’s just scratching the surface.
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Post#646 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:39 pm

76ciology wrote:Brand’s biggest blunder is letting Fultz go. Its a matter of time before he’ll prove the league why he’s the best player in the 2017 draft.


Personally, I don't think he'll even be the best 2017er on his own team. Jonathan Isaac looks terrifying on defense and has been steadily improving offense each year. He's a tick away from making a Siakam leap.

Also, do you think it's even possible for Fultz to catch Tatum or Mitchell? They look like far more complete players than him.
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Post#647 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 29, 2019 12:46 pm

76ciology wrote:You can also quote me here. BC’s biggest no.1 pick blunder is not choosing Bargnani over LMA. It’s gonna be choosing Ben over Ingram. I can’t help but imagine how much better Ingram is going to be in the future. He’s just scratching the surface.

He looks like one of the most complete players in the NBA, if the shooting is real.

I'm still reluctant on whether or not I believe the shooting is real. I don't doubt that he's made huge strides, I just don't know if he can sustain the 40% from three or 80% from the line. Even a mere 35% from three 75% from the line would be huge wins for him.
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Post#648 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:05 pm

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76ciology wrote:Brand’s biggest blunder is letting Fultz go. Its a matter of time before he’ll prove the league why he’s the best player in the 2017 draft.


Personally, I don't think he'll even be the best 2017er on his own team. Jonathan Isaac looks terrifying on defense and has been steadily improving offense each year. He's a tick away from making a Siakam leap.

Also, do you think it's even possible for Fultz to catch Tatum or Mitchell? They look like far more complete players than him.


Yeah. Isaac also looks good. I believe you were also in the Isaac hype train.

I believe at some point Fultz will surpass both Mitchell and Tatum. Fultz has better all around game than Tatum, while Fultz has more upside than Mitchell and he will be the rich man’s version of Mitchell.
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Post#649 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:14 pm

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76ciology wrote:You can also quote me here. BC’s biggest no.1 pick blunder is not choosing Bargnani over LMA. It’s gonna be choosing Ben over Ingram. I can’t help but imagine how much better Ingram is going to be in the future. He’s just scratching the surface.

He looks like one of the most complete players in the NBA, if the shooting is real.

I'm still reluctant on whether or not I believe the shooting is real. I don't doubt that he's made huge strides, I just don't know if he can sustain the 40% from three or 80% from the line. Even a mere 35% from three 75% from the line would be huge wins for him.


Yeah. For instance against the Lakers, he had a horrible shooting game. But he was able to get to the line 12 times (big disparity to what Ben can provide on an off night!). Add that to his underrated playmaking and disrupting length on defense.

It’s his first year on the breakout. Sky is the limit for him.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#650 » by BullyKing » Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:35 pm

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76ciology wrote:You can also quote me here. BC’s biggest no.1 pick blunder is not choosing Bargnani over LMA. It’s gonna be choosing Ben over Ingram. I can’t help but imagine how much better Ingram is going to be in the future. He’s just scratching the surface.

He looks like one of the most complete players in the NBA, if the shooting is real.

I'm still reluctant on whether or not I believe the shooting is real. I don't doubt that he's made huge strides, I just don't know if he can sustain the 40% from three or 80% from the line. Even a mere 35% from three 75% from the line would be huge wins for him.


Yeah. For instance against the Lakers, he had a horrible shooting game. But he was able to get to the line 12 times (big disparity to what Ben can provide on an off night!). Add that to his underrated playmaking and disrupting length on defense.

It’s his first year on the breakout. Sky is the limit for him.


His usage percentage is also almost double Simmons. You all keep looking at players on bad teams and how much score and act like that directly translates to a better team where they wouldn't have the ball as much.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#651 » by youngcrev » Fri Nov 29, 2019 3:20 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:That being said, we also have to consider Brett's influence here, it takes a monumental effort for a player to improve under Brett. This is why I want to see Brett gone way before thinking about trading Simmons, you never know what even an average coach could do with these players. He is that bad.


Unfounded statements like this annoy me. You'd think there would be a long list of guys that have made big leaps since leaving.
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Post#652 » by Bum Adebayo » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:10 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:That being said, we also have to consider Brett's influence here, it takes a monumental effort for a player to improve under Brett. This is why I want to see Brett gone way before thinking about trading Simmons, you never know what even an average coach could do with these players. He is that bad.


Unfounded statements like this annoy me. You'd think there would be a long list of guys that have made big leaps since leaving.


It is the truth though. Players are mentally ruined under Brett, his offensive schemes and how he only coddles Ben Simmons creates anxiety to the players around. Jimmy got the **** out of here fast enough, and can't fault him at all.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#653 » by youngcrev » Fri Nov 29, 2019 5:16 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:That being said, we also have to consider Brett's influence here, it takes a monumental effort for a player to improve under Brett. This is why I want to see Brett gone way before thinking about trading Simmons, you never know what even an average coach could do with these players. He is that bad.


Unfounded statements like this annoy me. You'd think there would be a long list of guys that have made big leaps since leaving.


It is the truth though. Players are mentally ruined under Brett, his offensive schemes and how he only coddles Ben Simmons creates anxiety to the players around. Jimmy got the **** out of here fast enough, and can't fault him at all.


:lol:
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Post#654 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:16 pm

Ben is not Brett’s fault. Ben is who he is.

A tiger can’t change his stripes.
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Post#655 » by Negrodamus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:31 pm

76ciology wrote:Ben is not Brett’s fault. Ben is who he is.

A tiger can’t change his stripes.


I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never going to be a shooter.
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Post#656 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:35 pm

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Post#657 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:40 pm

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76ciology wrote:Ben is not Brett’s fault. Ben is who he is.

A tiger can’t change his stripes.


I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never going to be a shooter.


Not just being a shooter.

He just doesnt have if takes to be a star caliber offensive player. Like I said, in a 2 v1 situation with Earl Boykins is playing defense, Ben is the type who’s going to pass it to his teammate rather than going strong to score.
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Post#658 » by Negrodamus » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:03 pm

76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote:Ben is not Brett’s fault. Ben is who he is.

A tiger can’t change his stripes.


I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never going to be a shooter.


Not just being a shooter.

He just doesnt have if takes to be a star caliber offensive player. Like I said, in a 2 v1 situation with Earl Boykins is playing defense, Ben is the type who’s going to pass it to his teammate rather than going strong to score.


If Ben was a confident shooter, he would have an easier time getting past guys because they’d have to play up on him. I said at draft time that as long as everyone is on board with having a complete non-shooter, then everyone should be fine with him.

That said, the reasons I liked Ingram didn’t stand the test of time. His FT% was rough which suggested he was not going to be an elite shooter at this level. What he’s doing is an anomaly, honestly. But that’s different than being a complete mess as a shooter.
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Post#659 » by 76ciology » Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:19 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
76ciology wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:
I mean, it was pretty obvious he was never going to be a shooter.


Not just being a shooter.

He just doesnt have if takes to be a star caliber offensive player. Like I said, in a 2 v1 situation with Earl Boykins is playing defense, Ben is the type who’s going to pass it to his teammate rather than going strong to score.


If Ben was a confident shooter, he would have an easier time getting past guys because they’d have to play up on him. I said at draft time that as long as everyone is on board with having a complete non-shooter, then everyone should be fine with him.

That said, the reasons I liked Ingram didn’t stand the test of time. His FT% was rough which suggested he was not going to be an elite shooter at this level. What he’s doing is an anomaly, honestly. But that’s different than being a complete mess as a shooter.


Giannis is not a shooter. But on transition he is relentless in taking it to the hole. Doesnt have to be a freak. Remember back then how Corey Maggette used to play back then?

It’s more than shooting. It’s mentality.

Some players know when is the right time to shoot and pass. While players like melo/wiggins and ben/rondo are on the complete extreme end of that spectrum.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#660 » by Kobblehead » Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:08 pm

76ciology wrote:Yeah. For instance against the Lakers, he had a horrible shooting game. But he was able to get to the line 12 times (big disparity to what Ben can provide on an off night!). Add that to his underrated playmaking and disrupting length on defense.

It’s his first year on the breakout. Sky is the limit for him.

Brandon is projecting an image of a near perfect player right now. The jump he made is so drastic that I'm just apprehensive about fully buying that this is him, going forward.

If this is really his true form, he's one of the best players in basketball with no holes in his game.

Elite scoring volume on elite scoring efficiency.
Elite shooting
Plus passing
Plus defense

Just seems a little Prince Ali, to me. Wouldn't be surprised if he turned back into Aladdin.

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