The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[Sixersftw]

The worst part of this is that Brett Brown might stay another year with the excuse that he didn't have Ben for the playoffs. It's like he's got 9 lives or some ****. We can't waste another season of Jojo's prime.

Naw man. It's ECF or bust. Really its finals or bust for ol BB.

[elchengue20]

The worst part of this is that Brett Brown might stay another year with the excuse that he didn't have Ben for the playoffs. It's like he's got 9 lives or some ****. We can't waste another season of Jojo's prime.

This is the worst part of the injury for sure.

In my opinion we werent going anywhere this season, but more excuses for Brett and Ben are the last thing we need. At least we could get to the offseason with a clear look of what we have, now we cant even do that. And also Ben trade value with this injury has dropped, at least some.

[VDT]

I am slowly moving to the trade Simmons camp, although of course his injury may make it more difficult to get good value.

Just looking at the other teams it is quite disheartening to see how easy they can generate looks, while we mostly just iso abd hope for the best.

And i dont think Brown is the main guy to blame for that. Ideally you want to be able to play with 5 out so that you can drive to the basket or take advantage of mismatches more easily. In the absence of that you need to be able to play 4 out with a guy mainly being in the paint either because he is not good shooter or because he is much more effective there.

The Sixers are trying to play with two paint players and it is hard to see that working unless they have a big talent advantage. It is not only that it makes things harder for Simmons and Embiid in the paint but that it also make it more difficult to have some dribble penetration, which the team sorely misses, because of how packed the paint is. You can see how there is more space with Horford moving to the bench and even more when there is one of Embiid/Simmons playing. The Rockets are playing without center precisely for this reason, they had two players that were not shooting threats in Capella and Westbrook and it was not working. Of course it is easier to decide to trade Capella than Simmons (and the Rockets are probably more desperate) but the question one should ask is whether Simmons will ever be a dominant enough player to justify that disadvantage or to force Embiid to spend more time on the perimeter. Whether the team with Simmons could be better than the team where we have traded him for a star that fits better and provides shooting and shot creation from the perimeter. And Simmons trajectory thus far doesnt make me very optimistic.

[mike76]

I am slowly moving to the trade Simmons camp, although of course his injury may make it more difficult to get good value.

Just looking at the other teams it is quite disheartening to see how easy they can generate looks, while we mostly just iso abd hope for the best.

And i dont think Brown is the main guy to blame for that. Ideally you want to be able to play with 5 out so that you can drive to the basket or take advantage of mismatches more easily. In the absence of that you need to be able to play 4 out with a guy mainly being in the paint either because he is not good shooter or because he is much more effective there.

The Sixers are trying to play with two paint players and it is hard to see that working unless they have a big talent advantage. It is not only that it makes things harder for Simmons and Embiid in the paint but that it also make it more difficult to have some dribble penetration, which the team sorely misses, because of how packed the paint is. You can see how there is more space with Horford moving to the bench and even more when there is one of Embiid/Simmons playing. The Rockets are playing without center precisely for this reason, they had two players that were not shooting threats in Capella and Westbrook and it was not working. Of course it is easier to decide to trade Capella than Simmons (and the Rockets are probably more desperate) but the question one should ask is whether Simmons will ever be a dominant enough player to justify that disadvantage or to force Embiid to spend more time on the perimeter. Whether the team with Simmons could be better than the team where we have traded him for a star that fits better and provides shooting and shot creation from the perimeter. And Simmons trajectory thus far doesnt make me very optimistic.

The "trade Simmons" camp only makes sense if you actually say your acceptable returns. If you don't actually say what player you want back, then it's impossible for anyone to debate you and determine whether the trade makes us better.

If the return is just a bunch of 3 and D guys and Embiid is your only superstar (ie go the Bucks route), well that is a nice second round team as well but that's not a championship team considering Giannis > Embiid and Middleton/Bledsoe blow away Tobi/Josh.

If your return is just a Jrue Holiday caliber guard, well I hate to say it, but the Pels already tried that with AD (who most people would argue is better than Embiid)/Jrue core and they peaked as a sixth seed/second round team in the West.

We really only get better by trading Ben if we get a better player(s) than Ben. And most franchises aren't trying to trade away better players for worse players.

But if you propose some Lillard or Steph Curry type trade, then go for it. Don't know what the other team would say.

but saying you want to trade Ben and not saying what you want back doesn't actually allow anyone to debate you because no one knows if the trade allows us to get better.

[eyeatoma]

Only players I trade Ben for are Beal or Booker. I doubt either team does that.

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[SixthStreet]

There's no way he should attempt to come back this year. This team just isn't good enough to take the risk. Pelton has a good article on ESPN+ that details the elevated re-injury risk the few guys that have had this in the past. McDyess and Bynum are two of them.

[VDT]

I am slowly moving to the trade Simmons camp, although of course his injury may make it more difficult to get good value.

Just looking at the other teams it is quite disheartening to see how easy they can generate looks, while we mostly just iso abd hope for the best.

And i dont think Brown is the main guy to blame for that. Ideally you want to be able to play with 5 out so that you can drive to the basket or take advantage of mismatches more easily. In the absence of that you need to be able to play 4 out with a guy mainly being in the paint either because he is not good shooter or because he is much more effective there.

The Sixers are trying to play with two paint players and it is hard to see that working unless they have a big talent advantage. It is not only that it makes things harder for Simmons and Embiid in the paint but that it also make it more difficult to have some dribble penetration, which the team sorely misses, because of how packed the paint is. You can see how there is more space with Horford moving to the bench and even more when there is one of Embiid/Simmons playing. The Rockets are playing without center precisely for this reason, they had two players that were not shooting threats in Capella and Westbrook and it was not working. Of course it is easier to decide to trade Capella than Simmons (and the Rockets are probably more desperate) but the question one should ask is whether Simmons will ever be a dominant enough player to justify that disadvantage or to force Embiid to spend more time on the perimeter. Whether the team with Simmons could be better than the team where we have traded him for a star that fits better and provides shooting and shot creation from the perimeter. And Simmons trajectory thus far doesnt make me very optimistic.

The "trade Simmons" camp only makes sense if you actually say your acceptable returns. If you don't actually say what player you want back, then it's impossible for anyone to debate you and determine whether the trade makes us better.

If the return is just a bunch of 3 and D guys and Embiid is your only superstar (ie go the Bucks route), well that is a nice second round team as well but that's not a championship team considering Giannis > Embiid and Middleton/Bledsoe blow away Tobi/Josh.

If your return is just a Jrue Holiday caliber guard, well I hate to say it, but the Pels already tried that with AD (who most people would argue is better than Embiid)/Jrue core and they peaked as a sixth seed/second round team in the West.

We really only get better by trading Ben if we get a better player(s) than Ben. And most franchises aren't trying to trade away better players for worse players.

But if you propose some Lillard or Steph Curry type trade, then go for it. Don't know what the other team would say.

but saying you want to trade Ben and not saying what you want back doesn't actually allow anyone to debate you because no one knows if the trade allows us to get better.

Well i kinda mentioned that i would need a perimeter star. The difference is that the quality of player i would need is lower now. Kawhi was available in the past but due to the circumstances it was hard to make this decision, although in hindsight it would have been the correct choice. I hoped that maybe Harden became available if the Rockets were going nowhere, but it seems that the will try this small ball experiment at least one more year. Right now i would seriously think a package around Beal, but i am not sure if the Wizards will accept. But as i said i would need a perimeter star with good shooting and the ability to create his shot. Obviously hard but i think the team should try to look for such trades more actively. Some stars are bound to become available in the next couple of years, hopefully Simmons will have retained or increased his trade value.

The team as it is now feels like an exercise in futility and i am not sure that even a better coach than Brown (which is doubtful Brand will find) will achieve much without major roster changes. I am not even sure whether a decent coach will accept to even come here without major roster changes.

[kuclas]

if i was a coach and looking for players to surround an elite post-up center that was also an elite rim protector, I would not look to pair him with another immobile center that can't really defend the perimeter, can't really cut off ball, and really loves to take midrangers. That would be an unideal fit.

You would be better off pairing him with a guy that can defend the perimeter and can cut off ball or actually hunts 3s. Horford doesn't do any of those 3 things.

I’d rather have Horford defending the opposing team’s 4 than Harris. That will be our big problem. Harris is more suited for the 3 but he’s below average defender.

Horford is a better defensive PF than Tobias. That is 100% true.

Tobias defending other opposing SFs though like Tatum and Middleton and maybe Butler would be very unideal though (let alone matching up against LeBron or Kawhi if we even get that far).

And Tobi is going to be difficult to hide considering we are already trying to hide Shake in the backcourt.

The idea of Ben at the 4 is that we could give him the harder frontcourt assignment (the best opposing SF or PF) and hide Tobi on the weaker frontcourt assignment (ideally some one dimensional spot-up shooter where tobi won't get torched off the dribble and can just focus on rebounding). That would have been ideal at least.

We don't have that defensive luxury anymore as Al can't defend 3s. So Tobi will have to guard 3s (which means guys like Middleton, Tatum, and Butler who are all in the All-NBA conversation right now).

Which is why Al at the 4 is going to be a massive problem for us defensively.

Edit: which is why I am possibly for Thybulle starting in place of Simmons rather than Horford. I don't know if Thybulle can defend the Butler's, the Middleton's, and Tatum's of the world without fouling out. He seems better equipped to backcourt assignments and he got torched by Doncic earlier. But I think he stands a better chance than Tobi at those type of assignments.

We cannot replaced simmons versatility defending 1-4. It is a big loss defensively. But our offense struggles in the playoffs in the half court the last 2 seasons. Unless its run and gun style which only worked for the first game against the Miami heat in 2018 playoffs than everything slowed to a crawl the rest of the 2018 playoffs (outside of the first 18 minutes of Celtics game 2 playoff as well). As Celtics figured out how to focus on Embiid (by laying off Simmons) and having Simmon's man sag in.

This has been the blueprint to defend the Sixers in the halfcourt with Embiid.

So Sixers will have to live with the defensive lapses without Simmons. Hope Embiid does not get injured. And Embiid just needs to trust his teammates to make the open shots. There is gonna to be a lot of open looks. But Harris, Korkman, Burks, Richardson, MIlton have to make at least 1/3 of their outside shots. They all won't fall down. But we just need to shoot 33% from 3 point land (that's below NBA average) but this forces the opposing team's defense to commit to Embiid quicker or to back off quicker.

So Embiid getting into position in the post is so key. He cannot waste 10 seconds trying to dribble down Gasol in the post.

[Kobblehead]

Wish we had either Covington or Butler right about now instead of Harris.

[mike76]

I’d rather have Horford defending the opposing team’s 4 than Harris. That will be our big problem. Harris is more suited for the 3 but he’s below average defender.

Horford is a better defensive PF than Tobias. That is 100% true.

Tobias defending other opposing SFs though like Tatum and Middleton and maybe Butler would be very unideal though (let alone matching up against LeBron or Kawhi if we even get that far).

And Tobi is going to be difficult to hide considering we are already trying to hide Shake in the backcourt.

The idea of Ben at the 4 is that we could give him the harder frontcourt assignment (the best opposing SF or PF) and hide Tobi on the weaker frontcourt assignment (ideally some one dimensional spot-up shooter where tobi won't get torched off the dribble and can just focus on rebounding). That would have been ideal at least.

We don't have that defensive luxury anymore as Al can't defend 3s. So Tobi will have to guard 3s (which means guys like Middleton, Tatum, and Butler who are all in the All-NBA conversation right now).

Which is why Al at the 4 is going to be a massive problem for us defensively.

Edit: which is why I am possibly for Thybulle starting in place of Simmons rather than Horford. I don't know if Thybulle can defend the Butler's, the Middleton's, and Tatum's of the world without fouling out. He seems better equipped to backcourt assignments and he got torched by Doncic earlier. But I think he stands a better chance than Tobi at those type of assignments.

We cannot replaced simmons versatility defending 1-4. It is a big loss defensively. But our offense struggles in the playoffs in the half court the last 2 seasons. Unless its run and gun style which only worked for the first game against the Miami heat in 2018 playoffs than everything slowed to a crawl the rest of the 2018 playoffs (outside of the first 18 minutes of Celtics game 2 playoff as well). As Celtics figured out how to focus on Embiid (by laying off Simmons) and having Simmon's man sag in.

This has been the blueprint to defend the Sixers in the halfcourt with Embiid.

So Sixers will have to live with the defensive lapses without Simmons. Hope Embiid does not get injured. And Embiid just needs to trust his teammates to make the open shots. There is gonna to be a lot of open looks. But Harris, Korkman, Burks, Richardson, MIlton have to make at least 1/3 of their outside shots. They all won't fall down. But we just need to shoot 33% from 3 point land (that's below NBA average) but this forces the opposing team's defense to commit to Embiid quicker or to back off quicker.

So Embiid getting into position in the post is so key. He cannot waste 10 seconds trying to dribble down Gasol in the post.

When Simmons is in the paint, it is rarely ever Simmon's man that is doubling Embiid in the post

[kuclas]

Wish we had either Covington or Butler right about now instead of Harris.

We never needed Harris. We over paid for him. Badly.

He’s a nice player but not 5/180 nice.

Landry Shamet while not a great defender. Most rookies aren’t except the very few like thybulle. But shamet can bring ball up and obviously was a good shooter. Shamet and Covington fit sixers better.

It’s all about fit with your stars.

[Eyeamok]

I am slowly moving to the trade Simmons camp, although of course his injury may make it more difficult to get good value.

Just looking at the other teams it is quite disheartening to see how easy they can generate looks, while we mostly just iso abd hope for the best.

And i dont think Brown is the main guy to blame for that. Ideally you want to be able to play with 5 out so that you can drive to the basket or take advantage of mismatches more easily. In the absence of that you need to be able to play 4 out with a guy mainly being in the paint either because he is not good shooter or because he is much more effective there.

The Sixers are trying to play with two paint players and it is hard to see that working unless they have a big talent advantage. It is not only that it makes things harder for Simmons and Embiid in the paint but that it also make it more difficult to have some dribble penetration, which the team sorely misses, because of how packed the paint is. You can see how there is more space with Horford moving to the bench and even more when there is one of Embiid/Simmons playing. The Rockets are playing without center precisely for this reason, they had two players that were not shooting threats in Capella and Westbrook and it was not working. Of course it is easier to decide to trade Capella than Simmons (and the Rockets are probably more desperate) but the question one should ask is whether Simmons will ever be a dominant enough player to justify that disadvantage or to force Embiid to spend more time on the perimeter. Whether the team with Simmons could be better than the team where we have traded him for a star that fits better and provides shooting and shot creation from the perimeter. And Simmons trajectory thus far doesnt make me very optimistic.

Here is the problem with trading Ben IMHO. Ben is a suborn young man. He has been playing one way for a while and it's been working for him. He has the contract, the all stars appearances and the ROY award to prove his point. But finally it seems he is grasping the concept that this style might be good for individual accolades but not work well in a team concept. So he is changing up the way he plays. But his mindset is still that of old Ben. To adopt the position of shooting more and playing primarily the PF position is going to take a minute or two. But just the fact that he is willing to do so shows a level of maturity, that frankly, I never thought we/I would see in Simmons. To re-work his playing style and implement more shooting is going to be a true process. But just because it's what the 76ers do, I would not be surprised if they give up on Simmons, just as he gets it and becomes the complete package.

Of course this goes without saying that this should have been done as soon as he came into the league.

Also before you trade him take into account he is coming of his first major injury and being asked to play a totally different position and shoot more. That's a lot to do in a game time situation playing night in and night out against the best players in the world. Not at the YMCA but the world.

[Negrodamus]

Tobias really feels like a lesser Rudy Gay type player that keeps a team in mediocrity for 10 years while he scores 20ppg inefficiently. He just doesn't fit what we're doing here.

Once again, I would have traded him for Dinwiddie or done the initial trade for him. At least he'd fit in this offense.

[eyeatoma]

Tobias really feels like a lesser Rudy Gay type player that keeps a team in mediocrity for 10 years while he scores 20ppg inefficiently. He just doesn't fit what we're doing here.

Once again, I would have traded him for Dinwiddie or done the initial trade for him. At least he'd fit in this offense.

Would he? Every player who has come had regressed. Need a different coach first.

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[eagereyez]

I am slowly moving to the trade Simmons camp, although of course his injury may make it more difficult to get good value.

Just looking at the other teams it is quite disheartening to see how easy they can generate looks, while we mostly just iso abd hope for the best.

And i dont think Brown is the main guy to blame for that. Ideally you want to be able to play with 5 out so that you can drive to the basket or take advantage of mismatches more easily. In the absence of that you need to be able to play 4 out with a guy mainly being in the paint either because he is not good shooter or because he is much more effective there.

The Sixers are trying to play with two paint players and it is hard to see that working unless they have a big talent advantage. It is not only that it makes things harder for Simmons and Embiid in the paint but that it also make it more difficult to have some dribble penetration, which the team sorely misses, because of how packed the paint is. You can see how there is more space with Horford moving to the bench and even more when there is one of Embiid/Simmons playing. The Rockets are playing without center precisely for this reason, they had two players that were not shooting threats in Capella and Westbrook and it was not working. Of course it is easier to decide to trade Capella than Simmons (and the Rockets are probably more desperate) but the question one should ask is whether Simmons will ever be a dominant enough player to justify that disadvantage or to force Embiid to spend more time on the perimeter. Whether the team with Simmons could be better than the team where we have traded him for a star that fits better and provides shooting and shot creation from the perimeter. And Simmons trajectory thus far doesnt make me very optimistic.

The "trade Simmons" camp only makes sense if you actually say your acceptable returns. If you don't actually say what player you want back, then it's impossible for anyone to debate you and determine whether the trade makes us better.

If the return is just a bunch of 3 and D guys and Embiid is your only superstar (ie go the Bucks route), well that is a nice second round team as well but that's not a championship team considering Giannis > Embiid and Middleton/Bledsoe blow away Tobi/Josh.

If your return is just a Jrue Holiday caliber guard, well I hate to say it, but the Pels already tried that with AD (who most people would argue is better than Embiid)/Jrue core and they peaked as a sixth seed/second round team in the West.

We really only get better by trading Ben if we get a better player(s) than Ben. And most franchises aren't trying to trade away better players for worse players.

But if you propose some Lillard or Steph Curry type trade, then go for it. Don't know what the other team would say.

but saying you want to trade Ben and not saying what you want back doesn't actually allow anyone to debate you because no one knows if the trade allows us to get better.

Well i kinda mentioned that i would need a perimeter star. The difference is that the quality of player i would need is lower now. Kawhi was available in the past but due to the circumstances it was hard to make this decision, although in hindsight it would have been the correct choice. I hoped that maybe Harden became available if the Rockets were going nowhere, but it seems that the will try this small ball experiment at least one more year. Right now i would seriously think a package around Beal, but i am not sure if the Wizards will accept. But as i said i would need a perimeter star with good shooting and the ability to create his shot. Obviously hard but i think the team should try to look for such trades more actively. Some stars are bound to become available in the next couple of years, hopefully Simmons will have retained or increased his trade value.

The team as it is now feels like an exercise in futility and i am not sure that even a better coach than Brown (which is doubtful Brand will find) will achieve much without major roster changes. I am not even sure whether a decent coach will accept to even come here without major roster changes.

I was beating the Simmons for Kawhi drum when news of the possibility was leaked. If Kawhi was healthy, trading Simmons for him was a no-brainer to me. And in that scenario, if the Sixers still pulled off the Jimmy deal, they could have walked into the playoffs with a core of Embiid/Butler/Kawhi. That would have been pretty nasty. But nope, Simmons is young and could become anything - maybe even a top 5 player like Kawhi! The biggest downside is that Kawhi would have likely left in the off-season, leaving the SIxers with Embiid and a ton of cap space. There were conflicting reports, but it sounds like Butler was willing to stay had the Sixers paid him. And I suppose they could have used the rest of that cap space to overpay an average starter, like say Tobias Harris. And today we'd have Embiid/Butler/Harris. Funny how that works out.

I think a good GM sees the writing on the wall before the fans and media. A good GM trades MCW a year removed from winning ROY, because he knows that MCW will never develop a jumper. A good GM would have immediately recognized that Simmons and Embiid do not bring out the best in each other and in a competitive league like the NBA, there is very little room for diminishing returns. Then again, it doesn't seem like the Sixers want a good GM. They want someone who will appease the fans and media by going after household names, fit be damned. Someone like Masai Ujiri would be handicapped by the Sixers board.

[76ciology]

The reason why you need Harris is because of Ben and Biid.

The reason why you ended up overpaying Harris is because we are not the Lakers, Knicks or Heat.

The reason why Butler is not here is because of Ben.

The reason why we have to trade for Tobias is because we can’t afford to not have him given how much talent we need to win with Biid and Ben.

Harris is overpaid. Not as good as most star wings like Paul George or Kawhi, but he is here with us and I want him to succeed.

[76ciology]

I’m rooting for Ben to succeed. But one thing I’ve learned with rooting for players is we have to be quick but not hurry to accept them for what they are. .

I think realistically, Ben is more of an Iguodala and Pippen. He doesnt have that scorer mentality and honestly he has poor touch at the perimeter and around the rim to consistently get you 20+ a game.

Still, I like how we are maxing him out. He’s been generating a lot of good looks for our shooters. He can play a big role for a championship team.

[eyeatoma]

Getting worried about Ben's longevity now. Sounds like this could become a chronic and degenerative condition that ruins his athleticism if not treated properly. Also before surgery he has a 30% corner of recurrence. After surgery I'm not sure. This is just sad and depressing.

The fact that they said Bynum had the same condition worries the hell out of me.

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[M2J]

The reason why you need Harris is because of Ben and Biid.

The reason why you ended up overpaying Harris is because we are not the Lakers, Knicks or Heat.

The reason why Butler is not here is because of Ben.

The reason why we have to trade for Tobias is because we can’t afford to not have him given how much talent we need to win with Biid and Ben.

Harris is overpaid. Not as good as most star wings like Paul George or Kawhi, but he is here with us and I want him to succeed.

Seriously everybody's opinion here as it relates to what a GM for the Sixers, should or shouldn't have done is like they're playing 2K. Taking Leonard for Simmons, knowing he would leave? Really, so Philly could have Butler, Tobias, and Embiid. No one really knows whether Jimmy would've stayed either.


The problem is exactly what you stated, Philly isn't a destination city that can pull in free agents. They went after LeBron and others, didn't work... No one wanted to play with Joel and Ben. So they traded young assets for 2 wings in order to go for it last year. Didn't work out, I would say mostly because Ben and Joel didn't fully show up vs Toronto. But, one could say they should've won that series if Joel could score vs Gasol, and could be champs due to the KD injury. I would say, not bad, considering Brand really only fully took over at the beginning of the 18-19 season.

This past off-season, considering they were going to need to extend Simmons and the team wouldn't really have much cap moving forward, and the team not being a free agent destination had to make the most of the assets they had, while hopefully getting guys that could grow with their young stars.

Let's just say Jimmy may have stayed for the full max(doesn't seem like it). His defense at this point has diminished, especially against quicker guards, and really bigger wings too (good team defender). He also didn't get along with some of the players, or coach. He also can't space the floor as a shooter, his shot comes off the bounce. Brand essentially decided to get a younger, cheaper, better defending guard, who last year was better at catch and shoot opportunities in Richardson. Then to take a shot at an all star player that has a versatile skillset, that would seem to fit next to the group in Horford, that could also defend multiple positions. Idea being he can help the team when Joel isn't on the floor, which was a bigger issue last year. Also, needing to sure up some of the team's issues, and actually acquire an asset to not let a lot of the cap space dry up due to the Ben extension. Possibly even a replacement at center if Joel needed to be traded for say a Bradley Beale to pair with Ben and Tobias.

I would say all of these moves make sense. The entire starting lineup is well rounded and can score on all 3 levels except Ben of course, who is one of the best playmakers and elite at everything in the game except being a shooter.

Brand also locked up Milton for next to nothing for 4 years, and beat the Celtics in a deal for Thybulle who seems capable of growing into another starter level player that can be all defense and shoot the ball at a solid clip, while being athletic and capable of making decisions with the ball on the ground.

My only gripe with him was something no one brings up or seems to agree with me on. That's getting nothing for Markelle.

Last off season was big, but we'll see more about Brand as he makes decisions on coaches for the first time, and how he finalizes what should be as close contender after the fall out of his first full year. I think pretty much everyone on the roster is a movable piece, and quality asset. That's a good thing.

[Hussien Fatal]

Tobias really feels like a lesser Rudy Gay type player that keeps a team in mediocrity for 10 years while he scores 20ppg inefficiently. He just doesn't fit what we're doing here.

Once again, I would have traded him for Dinwiddie or done the initial trade for him. At least he'd fit in this offense.

Would he? Every player who has come had regressed. Need a different coach first.

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That’s not true. There has been a couple players that maximized their talents under Brett. Players like JJ, (had his best years here w/o question) Dario (regressed big time when he left), Covington had his best years here, tj improved massively under Brett, MCW regressed massively when he gig shipped out of town, Nerlens has his best season here. That’s just off the top of my head. Some players like Josh and Al I will admit are struggling here, but josh is playing in a smaller role and Al may just be on his last legs. There have been veteran players that have come here and Brett has no problem incorporating them into rotation and succeeding (Ersan and Marco)