Nerlens Noel Thread

Post #661 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:27 pm

Sixerscan wrote:He's 20 years old and has played 60 games at a sub league average PER. He's not as much of a known quantity as you guys are making him out to be.

Don't rule it out, should be the main point. Guarantee Hinkie hasn't.

Offensively he's not as much of a known quantity, however you don't do what he's done at 20 years old without inherent talent and instincts on defense. If his offense is about what it's always going to be than he's still dangerous, you just take his touches away from him and hone his defense. His inefficiency is due to Brown forcing his involvement and attempting to develop a semblance of offensive aptness, he seems to be doing that thus far.

Post #662 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:42 pm

CoreyGallagher wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:He's 20 years old and has played 60 games at a sub league average PER. He's not as much of a known quantity as you guys are making him out to be.

Don't rule it out, should be the main point. Guarantee Hinkie hasn't.

Offensively he's not as much of a known quantity, however you don't do what he's done at 20 years old without inherent talent and instincts on defense. If his offense is about what it's always going to be than he's still dangerous, you just take his touches away from him and hone his defense. His inefficiency is due to Brown forcing his involvement and attempting to develop a semblance of offensive aptness, seems to be doing that thus far.

And you don't do what Okafor and Towns have done without some real talent either.

There might be a package where it makes sense. Don't rule it out, all I'm saying.

Post #663 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:46 pm

Sixerscan wrote:And you don't do what Okafor and Towns have done without some real talent either.

There might be a package where it makes sense. Don't rule it out, all I'm saying.

Seem to have been responding to something more specific, however, since your post was immediately following my own I thought of it as a response to me which may not have been the case. I'm not ruling out anything in regards to the availability of players.

davidwho76er · Post #664 » by **davidwho76er** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:48 pm

Sixerscan wrote:
CoreyGallagher wrote:
Sixerscan wrote:He's 20 years old and has played 60 games at a sub league average PER. He's not as much of a known quantity as you guys are making him out to be.

Don't rule it out, should be the main point. Guarantee Hinkie hasn't.

Offensively he's not as much of a known quantity, however you don't do what he's done at 20 years old without inherent talent and instincts on defense. If his offense is about what it's always going to be than he's still dangerous, you just take his touches away from him and hone his defense. His inefficiency is due to Brown forcing his involvement and attempting to develop a semblance of offensive aptness, seems to be doing that thus far.

And you don't do what Okafor and Towns have done without some real talent either.

There might be a package where it makes sense. Don't rule it out, all I'm saying.

I would never rule anything out when it comes to Hinkie. I just don't see anymore upside with players like Towns or even Okafor then I do with Noel. Yes Okafor is widely a better offensive player. But only in the Paint. Which would conflict with Embiid who is a natural Center with way more upside and Athleticism then Okafor. And Towns no matter what they say about him having PF ability is a Center as well.

Post #665 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:49 pm

Oh you know what, I read the draft thread (Where people are talking about trading him) and this one, and conflated the two. My bad

MRxBLACK · Post #666 » by **MRxBLACK** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:44 pm

davidwho76er wrote:I would never rule anything out when it comes to Hinkie. I just don't see anymore upside with players like Towns or even Okafor then I do with Noel. Yes Okafor is widely a better offensive player. But only in the Paint. Which would conflict with Embiid who is a natural Center with way more upside and Athleticism then Okafor. And Towns no matter what they say about him having PF ability is a Center as well.

We'll probably be scoffed at by saying this, but I agree with you it's not some kind of guarantee Towns/Okafor will be more impactful players in their prime than Noel will be. Noel is a mega talent.

Post #667 » by **Sixerscan** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:16 pm

MRxBLACK wrote:
davidwho76er wrote:I would never rule anything out when it comes to Hinkie. I just don't see anymore upside with players like Towns or even Okafor then I do with Noel. Yes Okafor is widely a better offensive player. But only in the Paint. Which would conflict with Embiid who is a natural Center with way more upside and Athleticism then Okafor. And Towns no matter what they say about him having PF ability is a Center as well.

We'll probably be scoffed at by saying this, but I agree with you it's not some kind of guarantee Towns/Okafor will be more impactful players in their prime than Noel will be. Noel is a mega talent.

I'm not sure yet, want to see how they both do this weekend and then in the tournament, see what scouts say as we get closer to draft time etc. Either way, I think decide Noel is worth more than Towns or Okafor is different than the blanket attitude that some have about not wanting to trade him period.

davidwho76er · Post #668 » by **davidwho76er** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:24 pm

Although I have zero doubt that all Okafor will ever be is a volume offensive Center. Yes maybe a good one but nothing more then say what Vucevic is. As for Towns, yes he has great Defensive and Rebounding skills. But I am not so sure on his offensive skills. Again he has potential. And I have no problem taking him if thats what Hinkie wants to do. But to suggest trading Noel and say our pick and other assets to maybe move up a couple of spots to select him ?.....well that is Nuts to me.

TeamHigh · Post #669 » by **TeamHigh** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:28 pm

I like Noel a lot, but I agree that no one should be untouchable and I don't think that's Hinkie's mindset. Towns I think has at least as high a celing as Noel, but Noel's productivity in his rookie year should mean his value is greater than that of Towns. If someone is willing to offer Towns and another 1st for Noel, you have to listen.

Post #670 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:50 pm

13.6 PER now, just keeps going up. If he can get that to around the league average 15 before seasons end than that would be tough to ignore.

Still have about a fifth of the season to go.

eyeatoma · Post #671 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:24 pm

What's Noel's PER since the All Star Break?

Post #672 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:38 pm

eyeatoma wrote:What's Noel's PER since the All Star Break?

Haven't found a site that calculates PER by specific dates.

wickedwrister · Post #673 » by **wickedwrister** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:49 am

60% of Pelicans fans would rather have Jrue than Nerlens
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?83465-Noel-or-Holiday

Post #674 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:51 am

It's whatever, homers gonna homer, we do it as well.

76ciology · Post #675 » by **76ciology** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:05 am

Called it before the season starts. Noel will be better than Wiggins.

76ciology · Post #676 » by **76ciology** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:07 am

wickedwrister wrote:60% of Pelicans fans would rather have Jrue than Nerlens
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?83465-Noel-or-Holiday

Pelican's rationale is more like Sixers want Jodie Meeks over DeAndre Jordan for Meeks fit a need. Overall impact, Jodie's got the edge for he helps a team's weakness. Honestly, I think it's more of an excuse than a reasoning. Hell, the team seems to be playing better with Reke at the PG position.

You can make excuses all day.
Andre miller-AI trade is a win because we need a facilitator more than a scorer.
Andrew Bynum trade because Iggy is overrated and is going to walk anyway.

76ciology · Post #677 » by **76ciology** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:14 am

wickedwrister wrote:60% of Pelicans fans would rather have Jrue than Nerlens
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?83465-Noel-or-Holiday

These casual non-analytic fans should realize how special it is for a player to dominate a side of the floor, that separates the star/superstars from the role players.

What I think is scary for Noel is that his offense is developing at a fast rate. We're talking about a Ben Wallace type scorer in college to a 12-15ppg scorer post-allstar.

If Noels DBPM stays at 4.++ levels while his offense becomes more efficient something like Noah/Chandler type, I think Noel is easily a star.

davidwho76er · Post #678 » by **davidwho76er** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:12 am

76ciology wrote:
wickedwrister wrote:60% of Pelicans fans would rather have Jrue than Nerlens
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?83465-Noel-or-Holiday

These casual non-analytic fans should realize how special it is for a player to dominate a side of the floor, that separates the star/superstars from the role players.

What I think is scary for Noel is that his offense is developing at a fast rate. We're talking about a Ben Wallace type scorer in college to a 12-15ppg scorer post-allstar.

If Noels DBPM stays at 4.++ levels while his offense becomes more efficient something like Noah/Chandler type, I think Noel is easily a star.

Noel's scoring average is just a trickle behind what KG averaged his rookie season with similar minutes. And Noel is averaging more rebounds, and better steal & Blocked shot numbers as well. Could Noel be another KG ?......One can Dream can't one ?

76ciology · Post #679 » by **76ciology** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:18 am

davidwho76er wrote:
76ciology wrote:
wickedwrister wrote:60% of Pelicans fans would rather have Jrue than Nerlens
http://www.pelicansreport.com/showthread.php?83465-Noel-or-Holiday

These casual non-analytic fans should realize how special it is for a player to dominate a side of the floor, that separates the star/superstars from the role players.

What I think is scary for Noel is that his offense is developing at a fast rate. We're talking about a Ben Wallace type scorer in college to a 12-15ppg scorer post-allstar.

If Noels DBPM stays at 4.++ levels while his offense becomes more efficient something like Noah/Chandler type, I think Noel is easily a star.

Noel's scoring average is just a trickle behind what KG averaged his rookie season with similar minutes. And Noel is averaging more rebounds, and better steal & Blocked shot numbers as well. Could Noel be another KG ?......One can Dream can't one ?

KG is younger than Noel when both are rookies. KG is way more fluid and has elite guard skills at his position. But defensively, I think both have a lot of similarities.

davidwho76er · Post #680 » by **davidwho76er** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:22 am

BTW, Did anyone else notice the story on Philly.com where the players were wearing shorts Honoring Officer Darin Wilson ? I really am not in favor of any Athlete or team wearing any sort of shirts that have a political statement. Even though I agree with the GJ decision to not Indict Wilson. But still, I just wonder if the Likes of Stephen A Smith, or Jemele Hill will weight in on this ? I mean those two lead the way for the Anti-White/Police, "Fight Da power Dat be " contingency.

Any thoughts on this ?