Jeff Teague for Nerlens Noel discussed, not imminent

[Arsenal]

Oh Barkley. He would do the trade?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/coreyseidmancsn/status/739920867358973953[/tweet]

If I could get Teague at 26,18,18,18
26 being a restructure of this year. Along with Atlanta 2017 top 3 protected and 21 for Noel and 26 I might just do it.

I could probably come around on this. Would hope we can move up by packaging #21 and #24 to get up around #15 where I'd want Denzel Valentine. Then sign Fournier to be our SG.

PG Teague / Valentine / McConnell
SG Fournier / Stauskas / Canaan
SF Covington / Grant / Thompson
PF Simmons / Saric / Landry
CE Okafor / Embiid / Holmes

This team should contend for a playoff spot in the East next year. It also could look enticing to a guy like Durant to come in as the final piece to building a champion.

Then we have 3 first rounders next year (best of 2017 PHI/SAC, LAL, and ATL) to maneuver to get the PG and/or Wings of the future.

I also think there's a chance to trade Okafor for a kings ransom once he puts up monster numbers next year after finally having a legitimate NBA team around him.

Looks pretty nice to me.

[Sportfan73]

Oh Barkley. He would do the trade?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/coreyseidmancsn/status/739920867358973953[/tweet]

If I could get Teague at 26,18,18,18
26 being a restructure of this year. Along with Atlanta 2017 top 3 protected and 21 for Noel and 26 I might just do it.

As I understand the CBA rules, that structure - 26, 18, 18, 18 - cannot be done. Yearly salary can only increase a maximum of X% per year. I think X = 7.5%. Conversely yearly salary can decrease a maximum of X% per year.

I'm fuzzy on X = 7.5%, but I know for sure it isn't 30%+ which is the decrease from 26 to 18.

I've always wondered why more contracts weren't front loaded and then I discovered this rule.

http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2016/6/4/11856520/jeff-teague-trade-kicker-salary-cap-atlanta-hawks?_ga=1.42595047.377536139.1439804783

[Sportfan73]

Oh Barkley. He would do the trade?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/coreyseidmancsn/status/739920867358973953[/tweet]

If I could get Teague at 26,18,18,18
26 being a restructure of this year. Along with Atlanta 2017 top 3 protected and 21 for Noel and 26 I might just do it.

As I understand the CBA rules, that structure - 26, 18, 18, 18 - cannot be done. Yearly salary can only increase a maximum of X% per year. I think X = 7.5%. Conversely yearly salary can decrease a maximum of X% per year.

I'm fuzzy on X = 7.5%, but I know for sure it isn't 30%+ which is the decrease from 26 to 18.

I've always wondered why more contracts weren't front loaded and then I discovered this rule.

It's not front loaded, we would renegotiate his salary from 8 to 26 this year using pure cap space then extend him 3 years 18 mil per. That comes out to 4/80. He gains 18 million this year, which is pretty tough to turn down I would even do 26,20, 20, 20

[Winejk]

If I could get Teague at 26,18,18,18
26 being a restructure of this year. Along with Atlanta 2017 top 3 protected and 21 for Noel and 26 I might just do it.

As I understand the CBA rules, that structure - 26, 18, 18, 18 - cannot be done. Yearly salary can only increase a maximum of X% per year. I think X = 7.5%. Conversely yearly salary can decrease a maximum of X% per year.

I'm fuzzy on X = 7.5%, but I know for sure it isn't 30%+ which is the decrease from 26 to 18.

I've always wondered why more contracts weren't front loaded and then I discovered this rule.

It's not front loaded, we would renegotiate his salary from 8 to 26 this year using pure cap space then extend him 3 years 18 mil per. That comes out to 4/80. He gains 18 million this year, which is pretty tough to turn down I would even do 26,20, 20, 20

Ah, I see. Was not aware of that. Thanks.

[HartfordWhalers]

Kinda amazes me the idea of trading Noel to get Teague and give him an 18m a year raise on his salary for a year.

[Sportfan73]

Kinda amazes me the idea of trading Noel to get Teague and give him an 18m a year raise on his salary for a year.

Right, but 18 per the next 3 after for him sounds good to me and we have the money so why not?

[Kobblehead]

Kinda amazes me the idea of trading Noel to get Teague and give him an 18m a year raise on his salary for a year.

Right, but 18 per the next 3 after for him sounds good to me and we have the money so why not?

You don't trade elite defensive bigs for dime a dozen point guards.

[PhilasFinest]

I'd prefer we pursued other options. Teague isn't anything special and there likely isn't enough sweetner added to the deal from Atlanta's end to convince me.

[HartfordWhalers]

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie -- Sam strongly suggests it was put forward by the agency that represents both Noel and Teague. Also, lots of Derek.

[spikeslovechild]

If I could get Teague at 26,18,18,18
26 being a restructure of this year. Along with Atlanta 2017 top 3 protected and 21 for Noel and 26 I might just do it.

As I understand the CBA rules, that structure - 26, 18, 18, 18 - cannot be done. Yearly salary can only increase a maximum of X% per year. I think X = 7.5%. Conversely yearly salary can decrease a maximum of X% per year.

I'm fuzzy on X = 7.5%, but I know for sure it isn't 30%+ which is the decrease from 26 to 18.

I've always wondered why more contracts weren't front loaded and then I discovered this rule.

It's not front loaded, we would renegotiate his salary from 8 to 26 this year using pure cap space then extend him 3 years 18 mil per. That comes out to 4/80. He gains 18 million this year, which is pretty tough to turn down I would even do 26,20, 20, 20

So you would pay him 26 million a year?

Because thats what you are really doing. Also lets be honest why would Teague accept that? Term reigns supreme considering his age. He knows he won't be able to convince someone to pay him 20 million when he's 33 he'll probably get someone to give him that year when he is 29.

The cap is expected to rise to approximately $108 million for the 2017-2018 season. That leaves a max contract being in excess of 30 million per and in the 122 million rage. Anyways, let assume for the sake of argument that when Teague turns 33 he;s declined to the point where he is an 8 million a year player. That means over 4 years in order to beat your offer a team has offer 4/86 to match.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Barkley loves Teague, so no surprise there.

[PhilasFinest]

https://soundcloud.com/sam-vecenie -- Sam strongly suggests it was put forward by the agency that represents both Noel and Teague. Also, lots of Derek.

So Teague and Noel are represented by the same agent(s)???

interesting twist.

[Sportfan73]

As I understand the CBA rules, that structure - 26, 18, 18, 18 - cannot be done. Yearly salary can only increase a maximum of X% per year. I think X = 7.5%. Conversely yearly salary can decrease a maximum of X% per year.

I'm fuzzy on X = 7.5%, but I know for sure it isn't 30%+ which is the decrease from 26 to 18.

I've always wondered why more contracts weren't front loaded and then I discovered this rule.

It's not front loaded, we would renegotiate his salary from 8 to 26 this year using pure cap space then extend him 3 years 18 mil per. That comes out to 4/80. He gains 18 million this year, which is pretty tough to turn down I would even do 26,20, 20, 20

So you would pay him 26 million a year?

Because thats what you are really doing. Also lets be honest why would Teague accept that? Term reigns supreme considering his age. He knows he won't be able to convince someone to pay him 20 million when he's 33 he'll probably get someone to give him that year when he is 29.

The cap is expected to rise to approximately $108 million for the 2017-2018 season. That leaves a max contract being in excess of 30 million per and in the 122 million rage. Anyways, let assume for the sake of argument that when Teague turns 33 he;s declined to the point where he is an 8 million a year player. That means over 4 years in order to beat your offer a team has offer 4/86 to match.

No, it's not. He goes from the 8 he is supposed to get next year to 26. His extention is 3 years 18 mil per. Added with the 26 that equates to him getting a 4/80. And I don't know if I see him turning down the extra 18 mil this year even if it leaves some on the table later.

[spikeslovechild]

It's not front loaded, we would renegotiate his salary from 8 to 26 this year using pure cap space then extend him 3 years 18 mil per. That comes out to 4/80. He gains 18 million this year, which is pretty tough to turn down I would even do 26,20, 20, 20

So you would pay him 26 million a year?

Because thats what you are really doing. Also lets be honest why would Teague accept that? Term reigns supreme considering his age. He knows he won't be able to convince someone to pay him 20 million when he's 33 he'll probably get someone to give him that year when he is 29.

The cap is expected to rise to approximately $108 million for the 2017-2018 season. That leaves a max contract being in excess of 30 million per and in the 122 million rage. Anyways, let assume for the sake of argument that when Teague turns 33 he;s declined to the point where he is an 8 million a year player. That means over 4 years in order to beat your offer a team has offer 4/86 to match.

No, it's not. He goes from the 8 he is supposed to get next year to 26. His extention is 3 years 18 mil per. Added with the 26 that equates to him getting a 4/80. And I don't know if I see him turning down the extra 18 mil this year even if it leaves some on the table later.

You are doing mental gymnastics. You already have him signed for 8 million.

You said 26, 20, 20, 20. So thats 60 million plus the extra 18 million you decided to gift him. 78/3 = 26 million

[Sportfan73]

So you would pay him 26 million a year?

Because thats what you are really doing. Also lets be honest why would Teague accept that? Term reigns supreme considering his age. He knows he won't be able to convince someone to pay him 20 million when he's 33 he'll probably get someone to give him that year when he is 29.

The cap is expected to rise to approximately $108 million for the 2017-2018 season. That leaves a max contract being in excess of 30 million per and in the 122 million rage. Anyways, let assume for the sake of argument that when Teague turns 33 he;s declined to the point where he is an 8 million a year player. That means over 4 years in order to beat your offer a team has offer 4/86 to match.

No, it's not. He goes from the 8 he is supposed to get next year to 26. His extention is 3 years 18 mil per. Added with the 26 that equates to him getting a 4/80. And I don't know if I see him turning down the extra 18 mil this year even if it leaves some on the table later.

You are doing mental gymnastics. You already have him signed for 8 million.

You said 26, 20, 20, 20. So thats 60 million plus the extra 18 million you decided to gift him. 78/3 = 26 million

I said 26, 18,18,18
26 plus 54 is 80. The idea is he gets way more money now so he takes less later.

[LloydFree]

I like Teague. He's a good player. But that's a dumb trade. A rebuilding team doesn't trade young players for a veteran with one year remaining on his contract. If you want a veteran PG, just sign one in free-agency and keep your young player. A Noel for Teague trade only makes sense for a team that's ready to compete, and just needs a veteran PG to put them over. For the 76ers, it's silly.

[spikeslovechild]

No, it's not. He goes from the 8 he is supposed to get next year to 26. His extention is 3 years 18 mil per. Added with the 26 that equates to him getting a 4/80. And I don't know if I see him turning down the extra 18 mil this year even if it leaves some on the table later.

You are doing mental gymnastics. You already have him signed for 8 million.

You said 26, 20, 20, 20. So thats 60 million plus the extra 18 million you decided to gift him. 78/3 = 26 million

I said 26, 18,18,18
26 plus 54 is 80. The idea is he gets way more money now so he takes less later.

I don't care what the idea is. He's already signed for 8 million this season. So you are gifting him an extra 18 million for a three year extension.

I also was just using the numbers you gave but with these numbers it's 72/3. Thats 24 million per.

[deep6er]

No, it's not. He goes from the 8 he is supposed to get next year to 26. His extention is 3 years 18 mil per. Added with the 26 that equates to him getting a 4/80. And I don't know if I see him turning down the extra 18 mil this year even if it leaves some on the table later.

You are doing mental gymnastics. You already have him signed for 8 million.

You said 26, 20, 20, 20. So thats 60 million plus the extra 18 million you decided to gift him. 78/3 = 26 million

I said 26, 18,18,18
26 plus 54 is 80. The idea is he gets way more money now so he takes less later.

It's an interesting idea. Seems very Hinkie-esque, using current cap space which we wouldn't be using all of anyway to get a better cap situation down the road. I'm still not sold that Teague is a player who makes a lot of sense for this team, but locked in for those 3 years at 18 per makes getting him a lot more enticing. Having a good point guard to play with would be good for the development of all the younguns.

With his game, Teague should still be effective 4 years down the line, not all star, but above average and a guy who can floor general a contender. In 4 years 18 mil for an above average point guard will be a bargain.

And for all of you saying that this doesn't fit into the window of our young players... If we are not contending 4 years from now then this whole process has been a failure.

If we got this contract with the trade, I wouldn't hate it. I'm not sure I love it, but I don't hate it.

It's tough to trade the young guys because of the potential of what they might become, but someone's gonna get moved and the key is that the move puts us in a good position.

[MatthewGeigerII]

For those that don't check the general boards... i put an interesting spin on this rumor. thoughts? (ignore the sixers potential lineup... obv we are hoping that changes esp at SG, and jah and embiid would probably split time at the 5.)

Jeff Teague's game and age fits with a team closer to the playoffs so i decided to redo the rumored deal from last week.

Philly In: Dante Exum, #12
Philly Out: Nerlens Noel, #24, #26

Atl In: Nerlens Noel, #26
Atl Out: Jeff Teague

Utah In: Jeff Teague, #24
Utah Out: Dante Exum, #12

Why Sixers?:
Sixers get a younger PG prospect of the future, who is familiar with Ben Simmons and a good shooter (what they are looking for in a PG). They also use the two later firsts to trade up to grab a single prospect at #12, which is needed due to lack of roster spots. Note: you wouldn't be able to get to #12 with just #24 and #26 so some of that value is pushed by nerlens being involved.

Potential Lineup:
Exum
Stauskas (for now)
Simmons
Okafor
Embiid

Why Atlanta?: They get their center of the future to pair with Dennis, who can now start with teague out of the picture. They have insurance if horford leave. The also get a late first to start retooling a little and evening the value for their former all star PG.

Potential Lineup:
Schroder
Korver
Bazemore (resign)
Millsap
Noel

Why Utah? : Exum is still a mystery, but slated their starting PG because of the others on the roster. with hayward, favors, hood, and gobert - PG is their last spot needed to take a step to that next level. getting a former all star PG could bring them there. It's going to be a lot more effective than any player they may select at #12, who will just be in their rotation.

Potential lineup:
Teague
Hood
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

[the_process]

For those that don't check the general boards... i put an interesting spin on this rumor. thoughts? (ignore the sixers potential lineup... obv we are hoping that changes esp at SG, and jah and embiid would probably split time at the 5.)

Jeff Teague's game and age fits with a team closer to the playoffs so i decided to redo the rumored deal from last week.

Philly In: Dante Exum, #12
Philly Out: Nerlens Noel, #24, #26

Atl In: Nerlens Noel, #26
Atl Out: Jeff Teague

Utah In: Jeff Teague, #24
Utah Out: Dante Exum, #12

Why Sixers?:
Sixers get a younger PG prospect of the future, who is familiar with Ben Simmons and a good shooter (what they are looking for in a PG). They also use the two later firsts to trade up to grab a single prospect at #12, which is needed due to lack of roster spots. Note: you wouldn't be able to get to #12 with just #24 and #26 so some of that value is pushed by nerlens being involved.

Potential Lineup:
Exum
Stauskas (for now)
Simmons
Okafor
Embiid

Why Atlanta?: They get their center of the future to pair with Dennis, who can now start with teague out of the picture. They have insurance if horford leave. The also get a late first to start retooling a little and evening the value for their former all star PG.

Potential Lineup:
Schroder
Korver
Bazemore (resign)
Millsap
Noel

Why Utah? : Exum is still a mystery, but slated their starting PG because of the others on the roster. with hayward, favors, hood, and gobert - PG is their last spot needed to take a step to that next level. getting a former all star PG could bring them there. It's going to be a lot more effective than any player they may select at #12, who will just be in their rotation.

Potential lineup:
Teague
Hood
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Utah still values Exum higher than this. It's an interesting idea, but not one they would be ready to pull the trigger on.

Also, for the Sixers... not sure how interested in Exum I would be. I'd honestly rather have a guy like Jerian Grant, Delon Wright, or Cameron Payne.