2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

[Unbreakable99]

That's too much for Paul George. 1&4 would have to get me a player that's more productive on offense and/or realistically projects to be more productive on offense and is generally more productive/projected to be more productive overall. Sixers needs aside, I'd need Anthony Davis or Karl Towns for 1&4.

Paul George would be perfect for us. How much better can you get? He's a top 10 player right now. He's still fairly young at 26. He is a two way player. He plays the 3. He can shoot. There probably isn't a more perfect player for us to get. He's a future hall of famer. The chances that our picks 1 and 4 become as good as George are not high even in a good deep draft.

[SelfishPlayer]

That's too much for Paul George. 1&4 would have to get me a player that's more productive on offense and/or realistically projects to be more productive on offense and is generally more productive/projected to be more productive overall. Sixers needs aside, I'd need Anthony Davis or Karl Towns for 1&4.

Paul George would be perfect for us. How much better can you get? He's a top 10 player right now. He's still fairly young at 26. He is a two way player. He plays the 3. He can shoot. There probably isn't a more perfect player for us to get. He's a future hall of famer. The chances that our picks 1 and 4 become as good as George are not high even in a good deep draft.

I hear you, and I was there with the single pick for CJ but two top 5's for Paul George is too rich. They individually don't have to be as good as Paul George but combined stand an excellent chance of being as good as him rather quickly, and have an even greater chance of combined being much better than him. I would have considered this trade before Paul George's injury where he looked like he would take a huge jump, but he hasn't and he's not the athlete he was a few years ago even though he's only 26. I like my chances with guys like Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, Jonathan Isaac, De'Aaron Fox, Dennis Smith.

[ProcessDoctor]

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[ProcessDoctor]

Let's say we got picks 1 and 4. Would you trade it to Indiana for Paul George? I would. And I'm only talking it has to be 1 and 4. You can't say you will trade pick 1 and a player and keep 4. No. You must trade both 1 and 4. No other scenarios. Do you trade it for Paul George?

I would do something like 4/big/future pick for him but 1 + 4 is too much. My main concern with him is he's already 26...he's going to peak while Simmons/Embiid are still hitting their stride.

[Unbreakable99]

Let's say we got picks 1 and 4. Would you trade it to Indiana for Paul George? I would. And I'm only talking it has to be 1 and 4. You can't say you will trade pick 1 and a player and keep 4. No. You must trade both 1 and 4. No other scenarios. Do you trade it for Paul George?

I would do something like 4/big/future pick for him but 1 + 4 is too much. My main concern with him is he's already 26...he's going to peak while Simmons/Embiid are still hitting their stride.

George is just now entering his prime and he's already a top 10 player. He has at about 7 highly productive quality years before he starts to fade.

[SelfishPlayer]

Let's say we got picks 1 and 4. Would you trade it to Indiana for Paul George? I would. And I'm only talking it has to be 1 and 4. You can't say you will trade pick 1 and a player and keep 4. No. You must trade both 1 and 4. No other scenarios. Do you trade it for Paul George?

I would do something like 4/big/future pick for him but 1 + 4 is too much. My main concern with him is he's already 26...he's going to peak while Simmons/Embiid are still hitting their stride.

George is just now entering his prime and he's already a top 10 player. He has at about 7 highly productive quality years before he starts to fade.

I'm not quite sure what "highly productive" means to you, but I don't think that it's possible for Paul George to be a 20+ppg scorer for 7 more seasons. He's not that good. I envision him losing more athleticism and not replacing it with skills to the degree that will allow him to continue to be a 20+ppg scorer. Paul George IMO a few seasons from now will be averaging 18ppg, to go along with everything else that he offers. He never will be the MVP candidate he was once projected to be. I view him as a depreciating asset. He also suffered a severe injury so his "prime" may have to be adjusted from his once lofty expectations down to what we have seen from him the last two NBA seasons. I don't believe that there is a greater Paul George yet to be seen and I don't think that the current Paul George will be what we see for the next 7 seasons without a dip in production.

[ProcessDoctor]

Let's say we got picks 1 and 4. Would you trade it to Indiana for Paul George? I would. And I'm only talking it has to be 1 and 4. You can't say you will trade pick 1 and a player and keep 4. No. You must trade both 1 and 4. No other scenarios. Do you trade it for Paul George?

I would do something like 4/big/future pick for him but 1 + 4 is too much. My main concern with him is he's already 26...he's going to peak while Simmons/Embiid are still hitting their stride.

George is just now entering his prime and he's already a top 10 player. He has at about 7 highly productive quality years before he starts to fade.

I see your point, but just because he's still young it doesn't mean he's necessarily a fit here. For example, look at the ages of star players that have teamed up in recent years:

Boston 07-08: KG @ 31 yrs, Pierce @ 30 yrs, and Allen @ 32 yrs
Miami 10-11: LBJ @ 27 yrs, Bosh @ 26 yrs, and Wade @ 29
Golden State 16-17: Curry @ 28 yrs, Durant @ 28 yrs, Green @ 26 yrs, Thompson @ 26 yrs

Notice their core players are all within 2-3 years of each other, which is huge because they're all at a similar place physically and mentally. Our core guys are Embiid (22 y/o) and Simmons (20 y/o), so adding a 26 year-old seems a bit rushed IMO. I agree that his skillset is ideal next to those guys, but he's more suited to play alongside a DMC, Lillard, John Wall, etc. type of player that's an established all-star already.

Players we should have on our radar might be someone like AD (23 y/o), Beal (23 y/o), or KCP (23 y/o) who fit the timeline of what we're trying to build long-term. Just my $.02...

[Ericb5]

Anyone think that Isaac should be in the group with Ball, Fultz, Smith, Tatum, Giles, and Jackson?

I'm starting to think that there may be a top 7 in this draft.

Getting a guard with our pick and Isaac with the Lakers pick would be pretty sweet.


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[Unbreakable99]

I need to get another look at Isaac. I watched him for a few minutes last week but didn't come away very impressed. I only saw a few minutes though.

[phiphan]

Hard not to be intrigued by Isaac, but he looks like the least ready to contribute of the top guys.

[eagereyez]

Anyone else see a bit of Melo in Jayson Tatum? He seems to love his isolation plays and long 2's. Wish he'd shoot more 3's.

[OleSchool]

Anyone think that Isaac should be in the group with Ball, Fultz, Smith, Tatum, Giles, and Jackson?

I'm starting to think that there may be a top 7 in this draft.

Getting a guard with our pick and Isaac with the Lakers pick would be pretty sweet.


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I'm targeting Isaac or Monk with that Lakers pick

[LloydFree]

Anyone else see a bit of Melo in Jayson Tatum? He seems to love his isolation plays and long 2's. Wish he'd shoot more 3's.

If Jayson Tatum is 80% of Carmelo Anthony, he should be the runaway #1 pick.

[Unbreakable99]

Anyone else see a bit of Melo in Jayson Tatum? He seems to love his isolation plays and long 2's. Wish he'd shoot more 3's.

I notice a gunner mentality. He loves to look for his shot and get his. That's a little concerning to me. I'm not ready to call him selfish and an empty stat guy yet. I like him and his game and I would take him with our second pick at this moment should we get that pick. I just see some warning signs that give me a slight pause.

[cksdayoff]

i like monk. a lot.

[ProcessDoctor]

i like monk. a lot.

Can you imagine leaving this draft with Ball/Monk?

[phiphan]

Anyone else see a bit of Melo in Jayson Tatum? He seems to love his isolation plays and long 2's. Wish he'd shoot more 3's.

I like Tatum but he's more Pierce than Melo. Melo is brutally strong.

[Ericb5]

Anyone else see a bit of Melo in Jayson Tatum? He seems to love his isolation plays and long 2's. Wish he'd shoot more 3's.

I like Tatum but he's more Pierce than Melo. Melo is brutally strong.

Agreed. He runs more than Melo too.

[Kobblehead]

I think we need to collectively chill on Ball a little bit. His defense looks pretty bad so far.

[OleSchool]

If Tatum really starts ballin, which he should AND the Lakers pick ends at 7 -8 I would go Tatum and Monk.