Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[LongLiveHinkie]

Okay? Despite you changing the argument, it still doesn’t mean Hinkie left Colangelo Covington, Embiid, the path to Simmons, and endless top picks. That’s not “a terrible situation”.

I was talking exclusively about the big man situation when I said terrible situation.

That wasn’t readily clear as having Okafor at the peak of his value while in the NBA is not a terrible situation.

Okafor's value wasn't at his peak when Colangelo took over. It was at his peak midway through his rookie season and went down hill from there. Hinkie could have traded him for the boston pick. He declined.

[gdog2004]

I was never a Hinkie worshipper. I agreed with his plan and liked most of his trades. I thought he was below average at the draft. A smart GM overall.
I was completely neutral towards Colangelo... until he traded up for Fultz. Once he did that, I have to question his judgement moving forward. It was a dumb and unnecessary move. A reckless waste of resources for a player whose ceiling doesn't merit that kind of risk.

If he is the guy he was in college, I would say his ceiling is pretty damn high. I do agree (I think) with you in the sense that if Fultz never pans out, BC could lose his job over that. That IS/WAS his defining move. I think he will be very good for this team. Once he gets back and is healthy...I sure as hell hope at the very least

No, I don't agree that Colangelo will get fired if Fultz doesn't pan out. You don't fire a guy for one bad move. You get fired for not overseeing a successful program. As long as Embiid and Simmons are upright, the team will be successful. He'll be fine.

Don't agree about the ceiling. I think he was a good-great college player, who isn't an elite athlete and doesn't have one elite tool. That's just my opinion. I've heard others who have said he has elite level tools. I didn't see that. I saw a good college player.

Guess you didn't see what the entire country saw. He was the consensus number one pick in a loaded draft.

[James40]

If he is the guy he was in college, I would say his ceiling is pretty damn high. I do agree (I think) with you in the sense that if Fultz never pans out, BC could lose his job over that. That IS/WAS his defining move. I think he will be very good for this team. Once he gets back and is healthy...I sure as hell hope at the very least

No, I don't agree that Colangelo will get fired if Fultz doesn't pan out. You don't fire a guy for one bad move. You get fired for not overseeing a successful program. As long as Embiid and Simmons are upright, the team will be successful. He'll be fine.

Don't agree about the ceiling. I think he was a good-great college player, who isn't an elite athlete and doesn't have one elite tool. That's just my opinion. I've heard others who have said he has elite level tools. I didn't see that. I saw a good college player.

Guess you didn't see what the entire country saw. He was the consensus number one pick in a loaded draft.

For this team it’s simple, if Fultz doesn’t live up to being a number one pick, this team is deep trouble.

I hate to go back years ago but pinning this teams hopes that Embiid would ever be healthy enough to carry this team through a season and the playoffs is crazy.

The Fultz pick can’t be a mistake because if it was, this team is heading for another tank sooner than later.

[LloydFree]

If he is the guy he was in college, I would say his ceiling is pretty damn high. I do agree (I think) with you in the sense that if Fultz never pans out, BC could lose his job over that. That IS/WAS his defining move. I think he will be very good for this team. Once he gets back and is healthy...I sure as hell hope at the very least

No, I don't agree that Colangelo will get fired if Fultz doesn't pan out. You don't fire a guy for one bad move. You get fired for not overseeing a successful program. As long as Embiid and Simmons are upright, the team will be successful. He'll be fine.

Don't agree about the ceiling. I think he was a good-great college player, who isn't an elite athlete and doesn't have one elite tool. That's just my opinion. I've heard others who have said he has elite level tools. I didn't see that. I saw a good college player.

Guess you didn't see what the entire country saw. He was the consensus number one pick in a loaded draft.

I don't know what the entire country saw. I know what I saw. But I do agree it was a loaded draft. Fultz just wasn't the best talent in it, IMO.

[Negrodamus]

I was talking exclusively about the big man situation when I said terrible situation.

That wasn’t readily clear as having Okafor at the peak of his value while in the NBA is not a terrible situation.

Okafor's value wasn't at his peak when Colangelo took over. It was at his peak midway through his rookie season and went down hill from there. Hinkie could have traded him for the boston pick. He declined.

Wait, so Hinkie, a GM who had clearly lost some control over personnel moves at that point, should have traded Okafor in the middle of his rookie season? Ok.

[LongLiveHinkie]

That wasn’t readily clear as having Okafor at the peak of his value while in the NBA is not a terrible situation.

Okafor's value wasn't at his peak when Colangelo took over. It was at his peak midway through his rookie season and went down hill from there. Hinkie could have traded him for the boston pick. He declined.

Wait, so Hinkie, a GM who had clearly lost some control over personnel moves at that point, should have traded Okafor in the middle of his rookie season? Ok.

This is what I'm talking about with the excuse making. Whenever the team made a bad move under Hinkie "not his fault, he wasn't in control!" When Colangelo makes a questionable move "Awful move, he sucks!"

It's such hypocrisy. Colangelo did trade him to the Blazers but they backed out. He tried to trade him on draft night a last year, no one wanted to trade for him. Colangelo didn't lose out on anything by waiting, he never had any value, and there is no reports by anyone with credibility who has stated the contrary. People act like he turned down a mid 1st rounder for Okafor. He didn't. Several insiders stated he tried to trade him on draft night to get Kris Dunn, then when that failed to get back into the first round for Jamal Murray and others. No one bit. No one wanted him. Hinkie drafted him. Hinkie's fault. Not Bryan's.

[Negrodamus]

Okafor's value wasn't at his peak when Colangelo took over. It was at his peak midway through his rookie season and went down hill from there. Hinkie could have traded him for the boston pick. He declined.

Wait, so Hinkie, a GM who had clearly lost some control over personnel moves at that point, should have traded Okafor in the middle of his rookie season? Ok.

This is what I'm talking about with the excuse making. Whenever the team made a bad move under Hinkie "not his fault, he wasn't in control!" When Colangelo makes a questionable move "Awful move, he sucks!"

It's such hypocrisy. Colangelo did trade him to the Blazers but they backed out. He tried to trade him on draft night a last year, no one wanted to trade for him. Colangelo didn't lose out on anything by waiting, he never had any value, and there is no reports by anyone with credibility who has stated the contrary. People act like he turned down a mid 1st rounder for Okafor. He didn't. Several insiders stated he tried to trade him on draft night to get Kris Dunn, then when that failed to get back into the first round for Jamal Murray and others. No one bit. No one wanted him. Hinkie drafted him. Hinkie's fault. Not Bryan's.

Well, for one, name the last GM who traded their 3rd overall pick in the middle of their rookie season, one in which they are in the running for ROY?

Second, Ish Smith could have easily been re-signed in the offseason prior to the 2015-2016, but Hinkie didn't want to. Jerry Colangelo joins the team. We trade 2 seconds for him. Does that sound like a move Hinkie would make? Does it sound like Hinkie has complete control over the team at that point, especially with the knowledge of why he stepped down?

[JojoSlimbiid]

Pretty sure in a couple years people are gonna rewrite history and state that it was Colangelo who drafted Okafor and Noel. Got to keep our folk hero's slate clean.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Wait, so Hinkie, a GM who had clearly lost some control over personnel moves at that point, should have traded Okafor in the middle of his rookie season? Ok.

This is what I'm talking about with the excuse making. Whenever the team made a bad move under Hinkie "not his fault, he wasn't in control!" When Colangelo makes a questionable move "Awful move, he sucks!"

It's such hypocrisy. Colangelo did trade him to the Blazers but they backed out. He tried to trade him on draft night a last year, no one wanted to trade for him. Colangelo didn't lose out on anything by waiting, he never had any value, and there is no reports by anyone with credibility who has stated the contrary. People act like he turned down a mid 1st rounder for Okafor. He didn't. Several insiders stated he tried to trade him on draft night to get Kris Dunn, then when that failed to get back into the first round for Jamal Murray and others. No one bit. No one wanted him. Hinkie drafted him. Hinkie's fault. Not Bryan's.

Well, for one, name the last GM who traded their 3rd overall pick in the middle of their rookie season, one in which they are in the running for ROY?

Second, Ish Smith could have easily been re-signed in the offseason prior to the 2015-2016, but Hinkie didn't want to. Jerry Colangelo joins the team. We trade 2 seconds for him. Does that sound like a move Hinkie would make? Does it sound like Hinkie has complete control over the team at that point, especially with the knowledge of why he stepped down?

It's up to the GM to see that the guy wasn't going to fit and project. Even having said that, I'm not even saying Hinkie made a grave mistake by not dealing him. However, if we have to play the blame game, which everyone seems to love doing, it is more Hinkie's fault than Colangelo's. I'm personally under the belief that it was just an F'd up situation, there was some stuff a bunch of people could have handled better, but it's still hard to greatly fault anyone. But people always love to trash BC for not getting great value for Okafor and Noel. They love it. But they never bring up Hinkie. I can tolerate criticizing BC if they're consistent. You can't rip BC without also being fair and cricitizing Hinkie. For drafting Okafor for starters. Could you imagine if it was Bryan who drafted him? Oh my... I can't even imagine. People are already trashing him for Fultz and we haven't even seen Fultz play yet.

The bottom line is I'm going to defend people who are treated unfairly and people take out their dislike of nepotism on Bryan and blaming him for Hinkie's departure when that was all Jerry and had nothing to do with Bryan. He was offered a job and he took it. Any of us would have done the same. People just have selective memories and pick and choose who they want to blame for what and the dogpiling always falls on Bryan and it just isn't fair and I'm gonna continue to defend him until people get consistent with their criticisms.

[Negrodamus]

This is what I'm talking about with the excuse making. Whenever the team made a bad move under Hinkie "not his fault, he wasn't in control!" When Colangelo makes a questionable move "Awful move, he sucks!"

It's such hypocrisy. Colangelo did trade him to the Blazers but they backed out. He tried to trade him on draft night a last year, no one wanted to trade for him. Colangelo didn't lose out on anything by waiting, he never had any value, and there is no reports by anyone with credibility who has stated the contrary. People act like he turned down a mid 1st rounder for Okafor. He didn't. Several insiders stated he tried to trade him on draft night to get Kris Dunn, then when that failed to get back into the first round for Jamal Murray and others. No one bit. No one wanted him. Hinkie drafted him. Hinkie's fault. Not Bryan's.

Well, for one, name the last GM who traded their 3rd overall pick in the middle of their rookie season, one in which they are in the running for ROY?

Second, Ish Smith could have easily been re-signed in the offseason prior to the 2015-2016, but Hinkie didn't want to. Jerry Colangelo joins the team. We trade 2 seconds for him. Does that sound like a move Hinkie would make? Does it sound like Hinkie has complete control over the team at that point, especially with the knowledge of why he stepped down?

It's up to the GM to see that the guy wasn't going to fit and project. Even having said that, I'm not even saying Hinkie made a grave mistake by not dealing him. However, if we have to play the blame game, which everyone seems to love doing, it is more Hinkie's fault than Colangelo's. I'm personally under the belief that it was just an F'd up situation, there was some stuff a bunch of people could have handled better, but it's still hard to greatly fault anyone. But people always love to trash BC for not getting great value for Okafor and Noel. They love it. But they never bring up Hinkie. I can tolerate criticizing BC if they're consistent. You can't rip BC without also being fair and cricitizing Hinkie. For drafting Okafor for starters. Could you imagine if it was Bryan who drafted him? Oh my... I can't even imagine. People are already trashing him for Fultz and we haven't even seen Fultz play yet.

The bottom line is I'm going to defend people who are treated unfairly and people take out their dislike of nepotism on Bryan and blaming him for Hinkie's departure when that was all Jerry and had nothing to do with Bryan. He was offered a job and he took it. Any of us would have done the same. People just have selective memories and pick and choose who they want to blame for what and the dogpiling always falls on Bryan and it just isn't fair and I'm gonna continue to defend him until people get consistent with their criticisms.

Weak answer to my questions, but that's alright.

I don't think anyone on here is going to say Hinkie was infallible. He certainly made mistakes. Creating an argument on the basis that there are posters that think Hinkie is infallible is a bit irritating. Similar to posters saying that there are fans on here wanting to see Fultz suck so they can be right. It's creating an argument that's doesn't exist but was formulated based on an emotional reaction to a point of view that one disagrees with. It derails debates on here and creates an insufferable atmosphere when posters say "I told you so" for a goal common fans hope the team achieve.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Well, for one, name the last GM who traded their 3rd overall pick in the middle of their rookie season, one in which they are in the running for ROY?

Second, Ish Smith could have easily been re-signed in the offseason prior to the 2015-2016, but Hinkie didn't want to. Jerry Colangelo joins the team. We trade 2 seconds for him. Does that sound like a move Hinkie would make? Does it sound like Hinkie has complete control over the team at that point, especially with the knowledge of why he stepped down?

It's up to the GM to see that the guy wasn't going to fit and project. Even having said that, I'm not even saying Hinkie made a grave mistake by not dealing him. However, if we have to play the blame game, which everyone seems to love doing, it is more Hinkie's fault than Colangelo's. I'm personally under the belief that it was just an F'd up situation, there was some stuff a bunch of people could have handled better, but it's still hard to greatly fault anyone. But people always love to trash BC for not getting great value for Okafor and Noel. They love it. But they never bring up Hinkie. I can tolerate criticizing BC if they're consistent. You can't rip BC without also being fair and cricitizing Hinkie. For drafting Okafor for starters. Could you imagine if it was Bryan who drafted him? Oh my... I can't even imagine. People are already trashing him for Fultz and we haven't even seen Fultz play yet.

The bottom line is I'm going to defend people who are treated unfairly and people take out their dislike of nepotism on Bryan and blaming him for Hinkie's departure when that was all Jerry and had nothing to do with Bryan. He was offered a job and he took it. Any of us would have done the same. People just have selective memories and pick and choose who they want to blame for what and the dogpiling always falls on Bryan and it just isn't fair and I'm gonna continue to defend him until people get consistent with their criticisms.

Weak answer to my questions, but that's alright.

I don't think anyone on here is going to say Hinkie was infallible. He certainly made mistakes. Creating an argument on the basis that there are posters that think Hinkie is infallible is a bit irritating. Similar to posters saying that there are fans on here wanting to see Fultz suck so they can be right. It's creating an argument that's doesn't exist but was formulated based on an emotional reaction to a point of view that one disagrees with. It derails debates on here and creates an insufferable atmosphere when posters say "I told you so" for a goal common fans hope the team achieve.

lol I'm not "creating an argument." People have been going hard after BC for how he's "ruined everything Hinkie has built" and when posters are going to say that I'm going to bring it full circle. It's just ridiculous and false, and an unfair biased take on BC who has done a good job.

[BigSleep333]

It's up to the GM to see that the guy wasn't going to fit and project. Even having said that, I'm not even saying Hinkie made a grave mistake by not dealing him. However, if we have to play the blame game, which everyone seems to love doing, it is more Hinkie's fault than Colangelo's. I'm personally under the belief that it was just an F'd up situation, there was some stuff a bunch of people could have handled better, but it's still hard to greatly fault anyone. But people always love to trash BC for not getting great value for Okafor and Noel. They love it. But they never bring up Hinkie. I can tolerate criticizing BC if they're consistent. You can't rip BC without also being fair and cricitizing Hinkie. For drafting Okafor for starters. Could you imagine if it was Bryan who drafted him? Oh my... I can't even imagine. People are already trashing him for Fultz and we haven't even seen Fultz play yet.

The bottom line is I'm going to defend people who are treated unfairly and people take out their dislike of nepotism on Bryan and blaming him for Hinkie's departure when that was all Jerry and had nothing to do with Bryan. He was offered a job and he took it. Any of us would have done the same. People just have selective memories and pick and choose who they want to blame for what and the dogpiling always falls on Bryan and it just isn't fair and I'm gonna continue to defend him until people get consistent with their criticisms.

Weak answer to my questions, but that's alright.

I don't think anyone on here is going to say Hinkie was infallible. He certainly made mistakes. Creating an argument on the basis that there are posters that think Hinkie is infallible is a bit irritating. Similar to posters saying that there are fans on here wanting to see Fultz suck so they can be right. It's creating an argument that's doesn't exist but was formulated based on an emotional reaction to a point of view that one disagrees with. It derails debates on here and creates an insufferable atmosphere when posters say "I told you so" for a goal common fans hope the team achieve.

lol I'm not "creating an argument." People have been going hard after BC for how he's "ruined everything Hinkie has built" and when posters are going to say that I'm going to bring it full circle. It's just ridiculous and false, and an unfair biased take on BC who has done a good job.

who the **** said BC ruined everything already? its far from "ruined everything" because of the amount of assets hinkie has built. but so far, for me at least, all he did was wasting assets like they grow on trees. top5 pick to move up 2 spots is ridiculous wasteful, no matter how good the fit of fultz is with us. getting nothing for noel and jah is wasted. signing bayless for 3y at 9m/y is wasteful and might adding assets to get rid of bayless is wasteful. selling 2nds for cash is wasteful.

i dont know what happened that makes you think colangelo did a great job so far. so far he was just good enough to not **** it all up in his short time.

[Negrodamus]

It's up to the GM to see that the guy wasn't going to fit and project. Even having said that, I'm not even saying Hinkie made a grave mistake by not dealing him. However, if we have to play the blame game, which everyone seems to love doing, it is more Hinkie's fault than Colangelo's. I'm personally under the belief that it was just an F'd up situation, there was some stuff a bunch of people could have handled better, but it's still hard to greatly fault anyone. But people always love to trash BC for not getting great value for Okafor and Noel. They love it. But they never bring up Hinkie. I can tolerate criticizing BC if they're consistent. You can't rip BC without also being fair and cricitizing Hinkie. For drafting Okafor for starters. Could you imagine if it was Bryan who drafted him? Oh my... I can't even imagine. People are already trashing him for Fultz and we haven't even seen Fultz play yet.

The bottom line is I'm going to defend people who are treated unfairly and people take out their dislike of nepotism on Bryan and blaming him for Hinkie's departure when that was all Jerry and had nothing to do with Bryan. He was offered a job and he took it. Any of us would have done the same. People just have selective memories and pick and choose who they want to blame for what and the dogpiling always falls on Bryan and it just isn't fair and I'm gonna continue to defend him until people get consistent with their criticisms.

Weak answer to my questions, but that's alright.

I don't think anyone on here is going to say Hinkie was infallible. He certainly made mistakes. Creating an argument on the basis that there are posters that think Hinkie is infallible is a bit irritating. Similar to posters saying that there are fans on here wanting to see Fultz suck so they can be right. It's creating an argument that's doesn't exist but was formulated based on an emotional reaction to a point of view that one disagrees with. It derails debates on here and creates an insufferable atmosphere when posters say "I told you so" for a goal common fans hope the team achieve.

lol I'm not "creating an argument." People have been going hard after BC for how he's "ruined everything Hinkie has built" and when posters are going to say that I'm going to bring it full circle. It's just ridiculous and false, and an unfair biased take on BC who has done a good job.

Who is saying he "ruined everything Hinkie has built"? It's a quote that is incorrect, but I can't attribute it to anyone.

And you're free to have your opinion, but he has been mediocre at best. All of his transparency (lies) aside, his big signings in a year that was meant to be the turning point have underperformed (Amir and Redick). Wasted assets on Anzejs Pasecniks (I'll eat crow if he comes over here and does anything for us). Signed Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez and Bayless the offseason before who were/are both not contributors on winning teams.

And those are objective points of views. I'm not even going to get into the Fultz trade since it was my opinion that he wasn't a top three prospect of mine, much less a player to trade a future top 10 pick for. But I could be wrong.

I just know that we had one of the best cap situations this past offseason and we have struggling vets and a non-existent bench. I don't know who else to blame for that.

[KrazySixersD]

no one finds it alarming that almost 2 weeks after the latest announcement, there is no news about him practicing, no videos, no talk, no nothing?

[BigSleep333]

oh and i may add, the extensions of embiid and covington werent that great, because it hurts our flexibility in FA. couldnt we have signed 2 max players if we waited on the extensions with embiid and cov? im not sure thats the case, but if it is, its a major mistake too.

[Negrodamus]

no one finds it alarming that almost 2 weeks after the latest announcement, there is no news about him practicing, no videos, no talk, no nothing?

I'd find it alarming if it wasn't so expected.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Weak answer to my questions, but that's alright.

I don't think anyone on here is going to say Hinkie was infallible. He certainly made mistakes. Creating an argument on the basis that there are posters that think Hinkie is infallible is a bit irritating. Similar to posters saying that there are fans on here wanting to see Fultz suck so they can be right. It's creating an argument that's doesn't exist but was formulated based on an emotional reaction to a point of view that one disagrees with. It derails debates on here and creates an insufferable atmosphere when posters say "I told you so" for a goal common fans hope the team achieve.

lol I'm not "creating an argument." People have been going hard after BC for how he's "ruined everything Hinkie has built" and when posters are going to say that I'm going to bring it full circle. It's just ridiculous and false, and an unfair biased take on BC who has done a good job.

Who is saying he "ruined everything Hinkie has built"? It's a quote that is incorrect, but I can't attribute it to anyone.

And you're free to have your opinion, but he has been mediocre at best. All of his transparency (lies) aside, his big signings in a year that was meant to be the turning point have underperformed (Amir and Redick). Wasted assets on Anzejs Pasecniks (I'll eat crow if he comes over here and does anything for us). Signed Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez and Bayless the offseason before who were/are both not contributors on winning teams.

And those are objective points of views. I'm not even going to get into the Fultz trade since it was my opinion that he wasn't a top three prospect of mine, much less a player to trade a future top 10 pick for. But I could be wrong.

I just know that we had one of the best cap situations this past offseason and we have struggling vets and a non-existent bench. I don't know who else to blame for that.

Spike Eskin has been saying it for weeks now blaming all of our recent troubles on Bryan Colangelo, and a poster or two in the last couple pages have really tore into BC and said that he has come in here and done nothing but mess up the situation Hinkie put him in.

I like what he has done because this wasn't supposed to be the year to win. He preserved cap space and has given us the ability to go out and hunt for big fish in free agency next season. Signed only one year deals except Bayless. Redick was still a good signing even as frustrating as he is. We needed another shooter and he went out and got one. It's not like he passed on Klay Thompson to get Redick.

The draft picks I'l give you, but I believe in TLC. Pascecniks is whatever, if you wanna knock him for that I can't argue, but once you get down that far in the draft it really becomes a crapshoot.

[Negrodamus]

i dont know what happened that makes you think colangelo did a great job so far. so far he was just good enough to not **** it all up in his short time.

Extraordinary. Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Negrodamus]

lol I'm not "creating an argument." People have been going hard after BC for how he's "ruined everything Hinkie has built" and when posters are going to say that I'm going to bring it full circle. It's just ridiculous and false, and an unfair biased take on BC who has done a good job.

Who is saying he "ruined everything Hinkie has built"? It's a quote that is incorrect, but I can't attribute it to anyone.

And you're free to have your opinion, but he has been mediocre at best. All of his transparency (lies) aside, his big signings in a year that was meant to be the turning point have underperformed (Amir and Redick). Wasted assets on Anzejs Pasecniks (I'll eat crow if he comes over here and does anything for us). Signed Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez and Bayless the offseason before who were/are both not contributors on winning teams.

And those are objective points of views. I'm not even going to get into the Fultz trade since it was my opinion that he wasn't a top three prospect of mine, much less a player to trade a future top 10 pick for. But I could be wrong.

I just know that we had one of the best cap situations this past offseason and we have struggling vets and a non-existent bench. I don't know who else to blame for that.

Spike Eskin has been saying it for weeks now blaming all of our recent troubles on Bryan Colangelo, and a poster or two in the last couple pages have really tore into BC and said that he has come in here and done nothing but mess up the situation Hinkie put him in.

So three people have rustled your jimmies that much to where it's pertinent to use them in conversation? "People (all three of them) have been going hard after BC".

I see nonsense posted on Facebook whenever I log on. Do you know what my secret weapon is for nonsense? Ignoring it.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Who is saying he "ruined everything Hinkie has built"? It's a quote that is incorrect, but I can't attribute it to anyone.

And you're free to have your opinion, but he has been mediocre at best. All of his transparency (lies) aside, his big signings in a year that was meant to be the turning point have underperformed (Amir and Redick). Wasted assets on Anzejs Pasecniks (I'll eat crow if he comes over here and does anything for us). Signed Gerald Henderson, Sergio Rodriguez and Bayless the offseason before who were/are both not contributors on winning teams.

And those are objective points of views. I'm not even going to get into the Fultz trade since it was my opinion that he wasn't a top three prospect of mine, much less a player to trade a future top 10 pick for. But I could be wrong.

I just know that we had one of the best cap situations this past offseason and we have struggling vets and a non-existent bench. I don't know who else to blame for that.

Spike Eskin has been saying it for weeks now blaming all of our recent troubles on Bryan Colangelo, and a poster or two in the last couple pages have really tore into BC and said that he has come in here and done nothing but mess up the situation Hinkie put him in.

So three people have rustled your jimmies that much to where it's pertinent to use them in conversation? "People (all three of them) have been going hard after BC".

I see nonsense posted on Facebook whenever I log on. Do you know what my secret weapon is for nonsense? Ignoring it.

This is a discussion board, we have conversations. I like to address takes that I find infuriating rather than just letting them go. If you are one to ignore it, fine. Not my style.