2019-2020 College BBall/2020 NBA Draft Vol 1

[Negrodamus]

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I really can't shake how much Bey's stats and physique reflect sophomore Kawhi. I know Kawhi was more skilled with the ball in his hand, but I really feel Bey shouldn't be discounted in what he could become. Absurdly long and quite athletic, a workable jumper, tireless effort, elite defender with switchability... It's unlikely that he attains Kawhi skill level (obviously), but he definitely feels like a guy to take a gamble on.

[kriss73]

Don't laugh at me but I think that Kahwi was evolved form great to special player because of his hands size.

[Negrodamus]

Don't laugh at me but I think that Kahwi was evolved form great to special player because of his hands size.

It's not a bad hypothesis: Terence Davis had one of the largest hands in the combine last year. I think the prospect has to hit certain numbers for the hand size to matter, ie if he has a good shooting profile. Rondo, while having a very nice career, was likely hampered by his enormous hands because he never learned how to shoot. Obviously that's not a concern for Davis and Kawhi.

[Negrodamus]

Also, here's a fun game where Bey and Toppin go at each other. Colorado gets the last laugh on a great pass by Bey for the GW three. Bey is an elite defender. Always goes straight up for blocks and has some serious anticipation.

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[nolang1]

Here are some hot takes as I evaluate more:

-Devin Vassell will go top 8, maybe top 5.
- Kira Lewis will go top 15, maybe top 12
-Kahlil Whitney get drafted

I've thought similarly but would go a step further to say Vassell would be a steal anywhere outside the top 5. He reminds me most of Mikal Bridges (who was obviously such a perfect 76ers fit and has put on a defensive clinic in the bubble) and Danny Green, both players who could make the case for being top 5 in redrafts of their (much better) drafts. I think in the range the Sixers are drafting, Jahmi'us Ramsey has some real upside and would fit well in a role of being a long defender to put on opposing point guards while spacing the floor for a bigger playmaking wing.

[Kobblehead]

Bey put it all together this year and had a fantastic junior season, but before that, he looked like a guy that couldn't defend ball handlers. Just a help defender that could defend 4s or stationary 3s that couldn't dribble. I wouldn't put him in the stopper category that say Anunoby was when he was coming out. Probably more like a Jerami Grant/Aaron Gordon type of defender.

[Kobblehead]

I'm lukewarm on Jahmi'us Ramsey.

His scoring production seems very bloated in that they just ran a ton of offense for him because he was an elite recruit. He didn't show any real ability to score off the dribble. And his 3pt shooting percentage seems a little fake, too, once you factor in his sub-70% free throw shooting.

Defensively, he's an asset as a team defender. I thought his ability to guard got exposed a little bit during conference play, though.

Ultimately, just seems like an adequate but not special defender that hasn't displayed any real shotcreating abilities. Hard to say I'm all that interested in him.

[Kobblehead]

Josh Green is the ideal SG/SF for this team.

- Fantastic defender
- Decent jumpshot profile
- Huge 6'6" 210 pound frame
- Australian
- no offensive ego

[Negrodamus]

Bey put it all together this year and had a fantastic junior season, but before that, he looked like a guy that couldn't defend ball handlers. Just a help defender that could defend 4s or stationary 3s that couldn't dribble. I wouldn't put him in the stopper category that say Anunoby was when he was coming out. Probably more like a Jerami Grant/Aaron Gordon type of defender.

Yea, but since he was doing it at an exceptional level this year, it means he's progressed to being an elite defender. He's the type of guy I'm afraid will work on his body and fine-tune his shot and become a two way guy at the next level. It also helps that he clearly has confidence and a swagger to his game. Seems like the type of guy who puts in the work and happens to have a prototype NBA SF frame.

[Kobblehead]

Maybe, but I get a little apprehensive about guys that have breakthroughs as upperclassmen. I still suspect Bey will get lit up when switched onto ball handlers at the next level. And I think his team will be tempted into using him as a stopper specialist and I think he'll disappoint in that role. I could be wrong.

[Negrodamus]

Josh Green is the ideal SG/SF for this team.

- Fantastic defender
- Decent jumpshot profile
- Huge 6'6" 210 pound frame
- Australian
- no offensive ego

I think the lack of offensive ego concerns me. Our entire team is full of betas looking to give Embiid the ball... and Tobias Harris. I'd love someone who can demand the ball and get a bucket or create opportunities for others. Do you see Josh having the upside to pull that off?

[Kobblehead]

Unfortunately, I don't see Josh satisfying that itch.

Where we're picking, though, I think getting a potential winning piece that can play both ends to be a pretty big victory. Even if he doesn't bring any shotcreation talent to the table to fill our void.

[Kobblehead]

Most of the underclassmen that can score off the dribble that will be on the board in the late 1st lack size and/or defense.

We can take a chance on an upperclassmen with a complete game and hope he's more productive in the NBA than he was in college (aka getting a Fred VanVleet). Guys like that include Skylar Mays and Trent Forrest among a handful of others. But I feel like we can get those guys in the 2nd round.

So I'll happily take a role player that plays both ends and can assimilate quickly and easily like a Josh Green in the late first.

[Negrodamus]

I agree that many of the upperclassmen of intrigue will be there in the second round, but I still am against role players in the first round, especially in this draft. We're at play for Tre Jones, Tyrell Terry, Tyrese Maxey (if mocks are any indication), Kira Lewis, and Theo Maledon. All quite young and have upside as ball dominant creators. I don't love all of those guys, but I'd rather take a shot on upside of being a stud who fits what we need than grabbing a potentially good role player for a third year in a row.

Like, if Kira Lewis is available within 4 picks ahead of us, I'm trading up for him.

[Kobblehead]

Those Thybulle and Green picks make you a better playoff team (non-exploitable defenders) and are universally coveted as trade chips. That's why I don't mind sacrificing upside and settling for a good two-way supporting piece. Especially this late in the draft. We'll get immediate on-court benefit and we'll load up on trade assets.

I don't want to have to depend on an undersized player picked in the 20s to solve our shotcreation woes. If our max contract players can't fill that void, then we gotta look to swap one of them for a guy that can. In the meantime, keep chipping away with singles and doubles with your draft selections. That's just the way I think we should go, at the moment.

[Negrodamus]

I just think recent history really suggests otherwise for picks between 20-30. Targeting role players rarely works. This past year might be the exception.

Thybulle, Brandon Clarke, and, I guess, Kevin Porter are the guys that were legit contributors this year with Tisse and Clarke possibly playing in the playoffs.

2018 you have Okogie, Holiday, Allen, Simons, Hutchison, and Shamet playing decent minutes but were all primary options on offense in college. Jacob Evans and Robert Williams have done nothing. Spellman is tbd on a good team.

2017 you have Jarrett Allen, OG Anunoby, Derrick White and Kuzma as the guys who are legit NBA players. Anunoby is a freak physical specimen. Kuzma was the alpha scorer at Utah and is now a role player. Same with White/Allen/Hart at Colorado/Texas/Villanova.

And so on. The farther back I go, it feels like most role players are extraordinary circumstances (ie the athleticism of OG and Thybulle) or they were the main scorer in college that acclimated to a role player at the next level.

[Kobblehead]

I think that's because the front offices stopped letting guys like Josh Green (strong defensive supporting players) fall to the bottom of the first round.

2017:
Ball went #2
Isaac went #6
Ntilikina went #8

2018:
Bridges went #10

2019:
Reddish went #10
Doumbouya went #15
Okeke went #16

If Green happens to fall to the Thunder pick, we thank the teams in front of us and we use him in our 8 man rotation from day 1.

[Negrodamus]

Killian Tillie is probably going to get drafted in the late first round and still end up a steal. Dude is so talented and moves his feet extremely well on defense.

[Negrodamus]

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I never realized how good he was at POA defense. Guys he defended were 2-25 on jumpers? That's absurd.

[No-Man]

Killian Tillie is probably going to get drafted in the late first round and still end up a steal. Dude is so talented and moves his feet extremely well on defense.

He is Maxi Kleber if he stays healthy

Who at the same time is basically Robert Horry, you want those guys, Tillie is a top20 prospect if he had no medical history