Fixing the Mess Pt. 2 Sixers Offseason

stormi · Post #661 » by **stormi** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:14 pm

Ben's played 2.5 seasons... lol. The sensationalists have gone mad

Eyeamok · Post #662 » by **Eyeamok** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:21 pm

This is awesome Chris Paul has been traded, Holiday has been traded and Harden is still in Houston. And the 76ers have not made a move yet. It' is awesome because my anxiety level is way down. With Morey at the helm I have a level of confidence that there is a plan in place and it is being executed.

fl311 · Post #663 » by **fl311** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:22 pm

As i've mentioned many times over the past few months, Horford and Harris have negative value around the league and are not easy to move.
Sixers were not going to offer Josh Richardson plus multiple 1sts for Jrue. They are not in the same position as Milwaukee and Morey isnt dumb.
They are still talking with teams about smaller deals but unless they decide to trade Ben (dont see that right now) they arent going to get a big name player. Its easier to accept that now and wait for it to play out

51X3RF4N · Post #664 » by **51X3RF4N** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:34 pm

What if the thought process of the front office is to re-tool rather than rebuild or win now?

If you have Embiid and Simmons as the keys to the re-tool, and the intent is to build around them, from scratch....

Wouldn't you want cap flexibility and draft picks?

Let's say you keep Matisse and Shake in the plans, because Doc really likes them and it makes sense to have them on team friendly contracts.

Is there a single draft prospect in the top 10 that fits seamlessly with Embiid and Simmons? What does that even look like?

My mind goes to a guard who can catch and shoot 3s, can defend multiple positions, and can create in the pick and roll as either a spot up shooter or passer. This to me is Tyrese Haliburton.

Then, is there a 3/4 guy out there who can defend either 3s or small ball 4s, and can catch and shoot the ball? Saddiq Bey.

In my mind, if you put a future lineup out there featuring:

Haliburton/Shake/Bey/Simmons/Embiid

You have 4 guys who can defend multiple positions, so extremely flexible on defensive schemes. You have 3 really good shooters so there will be spacing. 3 ball handlers/playmakers.

So what if the Sixers make some draft day splash trades?

If Atlanta was truly in on the Jrue talks, maybe they are pushing closer to win-now.

The Knicks are also being rumored to want to win now.

1. Send Horford back to the Hawks with Richardson and #21, for #6 and Dedmon.

Hawks get 2 win now pieces and only drop back 15 spots in a weak draft.

2. Send Tobias and a future pick to NYK for Elfrid Payton and #8. Knicks get a fringe All Star on a long term deal to kick start the win now mode.

Sixers take Haliburton at 6 and Bey at 8, and clear enough cap space to be players in free agency this year and beyond to fill in the roster with a fresh start.

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DT RAW · Post #665 » by **DT RAW** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:37 pm

Ya aka... we r running it back. We can have a great GM and great coach but neither of them r gona make this insanely jacked and flawed roster work

Cant wait for another 1st round exit

mithrandir17 · Post #666 » by **mithrandir17** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:40 pm

Here are my wishlist this offseason.
-Trade Horford for a shooter
-Sign (or trade jrich if needed) a PG that can penetrate defense and has a respectable jumper using the full TPMLE
-Draft a bunch of shooting specialists in the second round and see whoever sticks throughout the training camp/pre-season games.

ProcessDoctor · Post #667 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:43 pm

Getting Dinwiddie might be the best move left, sans Harden for Ben.

Gulfwang · Post #668 » by **Gulfwang** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:45 pm

DT RAW wrote:Ya aka... we r running it back. We can have a great GM and great coach but neither of them r gona make this insanely jacked and flawed roster work

Cant wait for another 1st round exit

It is what it is, at least we should be happy when don't have a GM destroying the future to save his job. Morey plans to be here for a long time so he's not giving up 3 picks for a fringe All-Star

I just hope we can get a DJ Augustin or Mills as a point guard to at least look like a normal NBA team so the players/ trade assets look better than they look now. No more Tobias at shooting guard I hope.

Post #669 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:47 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:What if the thought process of the front office is to re-tool rather than rebuild or win now?

If you have Embiid and Simmons as the keys to the re-tool, and the intent is to build around them, from scratch....

Wouldn't you want cap flexibility and draft picks?

Let's say you keep Matisse and Shake in the plans, because Doc really likes them and it makes sense to have them on team friendly contracts.

Is there a single draft prospect in the top 10 that fits seamlessly with Embiid and Simmons? What does that even look like?

My mind goes to a guard who can catch and shoot 3s, can defend multiple positions, and can create in the pick and roll as either a spot up shooter or passer. This to me is Tyrese Haliburton.

Then, is there a 3/4 guy out there who can defend either 3s or small ball 4s, and can catch and shoot the ball? Saddiq Bey.

In my mind, if you put a future lineup out there featuring:

Haliburton/Shake/Bey/Simmons/Embiid

You have 4 guys who can defend multiple positions, so extremely flexible on defensive schemes. You have 3 really good shooters so there will be spacing. 3 ball handlers/playmakers.

So what if the Sixers make some draft day splash trades?

If Atlanta was truly in on the Jrue talks, maybe they are pushing closer to win-now.

The Knicks are also being rumored to want to win now.

1. Send Horford back to the Hawks with Richardson and #21, for #6 and Dedmon.

Hawks get 2 win now pieces and only drop back 15 spots in a weak draft.

2. Send Tobias and a future pick to NYK for Elfrid Payton and #8. Knicks get a fringe All Star on a long term deal to kick start the win now mode.

Sixers take Haliburton at 6 and Bey at 8, and clear enough cap space to be players in free agency this year and beyond to fill in the roster with a fresh start.

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Neither the Hawks nor Knicks would ever do those trades

skulky · Post #670 » by **skulky** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:47 pm

DT RAW wrote:Ya aka... we r running it back. We can have a great GM and great coach but neither of them r gona make this insanely jacked and flawed roster work

Cant wait for another 1st round exit

Someone woke up with their negadelphia body suit on.

We got the best coach available and some how got a top 5 gm. We have Joel and Ben locked up longterm. What trades that happened do you think we should’ve been in on? We couldn’t get cp3 with out Harris/horford, and obviously okc didn’t want that. And no way should we be moving 3 first rounders and 2 pick swaps for jrue, and again no way to make that deal happen salary wise without horford or Harris which New Orleans doesn’t want.

I guess roco but is moving Richardson and multiple 1sts for a 3/4 in roco utilizing our limited assets?

Morey has made a career of working the margins and not pooping his pants to have a complete roster day 1. Have some patience and faith. We have an adult in the room now, good things will come. We don’t need instant gratification trades to grab headlines.

Post #671 » by **BullyKing** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:48 pm

DT RAW wrote:Ya aka... we r running it back. We can have a great GM and great coach but neither of them r gona make this insanely jacked and flawed roster work

Cant wait for another 1st round exit

Can you have your mental breakdown about them not making a move in the first 22 hours elsewhere?

youngcrev · Post #672 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:48 pm

If Giannis is going to re-up, I wonder if the Heat start going hard on the trade market. Harden? Beal?

Post #673 » by **Sixerscan** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:49 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:What if the thought process of the front office is to re-tool rather than rebuild or win now?

If you have Embiid and Simmons as the keys to the re-tool, and the intent is to build around them, from scratch....

Wouldn't you want cap flexibility and draft picks?

Let's say you keep Matisse and Shake in the plans, because Doc really likes them and it makes sense to have them on team friendly contracts.

Is there a single draft prospect in the top 10 that fits seamlessly with Embiid and Simmons? What does that even look like?

My mind goes to a guard who can catch and shoot 3s, can defend multiple positions, and can create in the pick and roll as either a spot up shooter or passer. This to me is Tyrese Haliburton.

Then, is there a 3/4 guy out there who can defend either 3s or small ball 4s, and can catch and shoot the ball? Saddiq Bey.

In my mind, if you put a future lineup out there featuring:

Haliburton/Shake/Bey/Simmons/Embiid

You have 4 guys who can defend multiple positions, so extremely flexible on defensive schemes. You have 3 really good shooters so there will be spacing. 3 ball handlers/playmakers.

So what if the Sixers make some draft day splash trades?

If Atlanta was truly in on the Jrue talks, maybe they are pushing closer to win-now.

The Knicks are also being rumored to want to win now.

1. Send Horford back to the Hawks with Richardson and #21, for #6 and Dedmon.

Hawks get 2 win now pieces and only drop back 15 spots in a weak draft.

2. Send Tobias and a future pick to NYK for Elfrid Payton and #8. Knicks get a fringe All Star on a long term deal to kick start the win now mode.

Sixers take Haliburton at 6 and Bey at 8, and clear enough cap space to be players in free agency this year and beyond to fill in the roster with a fresh start.

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Harris and Horford have negative trade value. You're not gonna make some simple move that results in a top 10 pick and cap relief for them.

Morey was brought in because the collaboration screwed up and now he has to fix the mess. It's not going to be easy.

Negrodamus · Post #674 » by **Negrodamus** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:51 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Getting Dinwiddie might be the best move left, sans Harden for Ben.

Would love for it to be. He would be able to do what he loves, create offense, without having to defend the other team's best guard. Feel like that works out well for everyone involved.

mksp · Post #675 » by **mksp** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:55 pm

It is absolutely wild that this team is now hamstrung by TWO separate NEGATIVE VALUE contracts that were literally signed LAST OFFSEASON.

How is that even possible.

Mik317 · Post #676 » by **Mik317** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:05 pm

mksp wrote:It is absolutely wild that this team is now hamstrung by TWO separate NEGATIVE VALUE contracts that were literally signed LAST OFFSEASON.

How is that even possible.

Philadelphia Sports yall

Arsenal · Post #677 » by **Arsenal** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:05 pm

mksp wrote:It is absolutely wild that this team is now hamstrung by TWO separate NEGATIVE VALUE contracts that were literally signed LAST OFFSEASON.

How is that even possible.

Stupidity, incompetence, and arrogance.

The trifecta.

DT RAW · Post #678 » by **DT RAW** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:08 pm

BullyKing wrote:
DT RAW wrote:Ya aka... we r running it back. We can have a great GM and great coach but neither of them r gona make this insanely jacked and flawed roster work

Cant wait for another 1st round exit

Can you have your mental breakdown about them not making a move in the first 22 hours elsewhere?

Being honest about our situation is not melting down

Should i instead go on about how harris is gona net us harden like half the board last night??

Now reality is setting back in and suddenly people realize horford and harris are negative assets again

Sry for being honest

Skates · Post #679 » by **Skates** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:10 pm

Give Morey some time. A lot of the deals made so far have been pretty expensive ones and the Rockets situation is a total mess, but Harden is under contract for at least two more years, so he can while all he wants and still end up staying there.

I expect Doc to get more out of Harris this year, and if he does I am fine with him staying. Morey will always work the margins and look for smaller deals that add up to more later. Finding a home for Horford at some point should be the priority, but not one where you empty out assets to do that. Morey can improve the fit of the team in a more subtle way for now, draft, smaller deals, and wait to strike when you aren't buying into the top of the market. Trades and FA aren't even truly official yet, let Morey troll the waters and wait until someone else gets desperate, while rebuilding our depth and assets a piece at a time.

Post #680 » by **Stanford** » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:12 pm

To further illustrate why it's ridiculous to think we could get James Harden without trading Ben Simmons: Sam Veceni brings up a great point on his podcast. Why wouldn't the Warriors trade the second pick, Wiggins, the Wolves 2021 pick and whatever other draft compensation it takes, for Harden. That's a much better offer than our trash offer or the Nets trash offer and the Warriors are incentivized to make a deal like that because their window is getting smaller. They may only have two years left to win a title anyway.