2021-2022 College Basketball / NBA Draft

Negrodamus · Post #661 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:53 pm

This guy is in the draft and honestly, he's pretty alluring. I wouldn't say he's a spectacular prospect and is at a smaller school (which is why he's graded as a late 2nd), but 19 at draft time, 6'4 with a 6'8 wingspan, 53% 2FG, 31% 3FG, 80% FT, 20 AST%, 3 STL%, +.3 FTr & 3PAr.

Made a substantial leap between Fr and So year.

Negrodamus · Post #662 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 1:04 pm

I hope we give Jacob Gilyard a training camp spot for no other reason than to completely harass the guards. Career 4.7 STL%. Known pest on defense. Would love to give Maxey, Springer, Harden some hell and an opportunity to tighten up their handles heading into the season.

Kobblehead · Post #663 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 7:48 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I hope we give Jacob Gilyard a training camp spot for no other reason than to completely harass the guards. Career 4.7 STL%. Known pest on defense. Would love to give Maxey, Springer, Harden some hell and an opportunity to tighten up their handles heading into the season.

I get that Gilyard is even more of a munchkin, but he's very similar to Jose Alvarado who just showed that he belonged in the NBA. Would love for him to get a shot somewhere.

Kobblehead · Post #664 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 8:02 pm

Negrodamus wrote:

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This guy is in the draft and honestly, he's pretty alluring. I wouldn't say he's a spectacular prospect and is at a smaller school (which is why he's graded as a late 2nd), but 19 at draft time, 6'4 with a 6'8 wingspan, 53% 2FG, 31% 3FG, 80% FT, 20 AST%, 3 STL%, +.3 FTr & 3PAr.

Made a substantial leap between Fr and So year.

Rollins is good and he flashed some as a freshman, as well.

I don't understand how power conference teams don't pounce on guys like that for a transfer.

Rollins is from Michigan and played in Ohio. So all of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Xavier should have tried to lure him in via transfer. That should be the new practice for these teams. Don't just recruit highschool kids and upperclassman that enter transfer portal. Recruit mid-major kids that ball out as freshman.

stormi · Post #665 » by **stormi** » Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:10 pm

Kobblehead wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:

Watch on YouTube

This guy is in the draft and honestly, he's pretty alluring. I wouldn't say he's a spectacular prospect and is at a smaller school (which is why he's graded as a late 2nd), but 19 at draft time, 6'4 with a 6'8 wingspan, 53% 2FG, 31% 3FG, 80% FT, 20 AST%, 3 STL%, +.3 FTr & 3PAr.

Made a substantial leap between Fr and So year.

Rollins is good and he flashed some as a freshman, as well.

I don't understand how power conference teams don't pounce on guys like that for a transfer.

Rollins is from Michigan and played in Ohio. So all of Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Xavier should have tried to lure him in via transfer. That should be the new practice for these teams. Don't just recruit highschool kids and upperclassman that enter transfer portal. Recruit mid-major kids that ball out as freshman.

But then as soon as that transfer hits. Red flag.

brannigan73 · Post #666 » by **brannigan73** » Tue May 3, 2022 1:44 am

I didn't expect them to win tonight, we are missing one of the best players on the planet, but yup I foolishly expected them to play better then this. Its amazing I talk myself into getting excited about this team year after year only to get disappointed. I feel like we have 1 ECF in the last, I dont know, 40 years lol. They need to look at this roster seriously after this year whatever they decide to do is fine with me but its just got to be a wiser put together team going forward. There rotten bench and athlete deficiency needs to be fixed. They also can not have 80 million dollars invested in James Harden and Tobias Harris.

Negrodamus · Post #667 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 4, 2022 5:37 pm

If we're going for role player with lower tier star upside in the first, I'm going Wendell Moore or Laravia. Need to watch more of the younger guys who have star potential but higher bust potential.

I've liked quite a few upperclassmen in this one though. I'm still very intrigued by Orlando Robinson and Iverson Molinar. Every player I've listed has NBA attributes in length and size for position.

mjkvol · Post #668 » by **mjkvol** » Wed May 4, 2022 7:29 pm

When do the Nets have to decide if they are keeping the pick?

stormi · Post #669 » by **stormi** » Wed May 4, 2022 8:06 pm

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deanthony-melton-1.html

this is such an absurd prospect profile for a freshman (steal rate, block rate, ft rate, assist %)

grand larceny they got him in the middle of the second round

stormi · Post #670 » by **stormi** » Wed May 4, 2022 8:13 pm

springer is actually an interesting comparative for deanthony melton coming out. definitely not as exaggerated with the steal and block rates, but springer is a tremendous poa defender that carried that into g league.

springer was a better passer coming out and shot really well from the ft line, and 3 (on less volume) as an 18 year old. their ft rates were nearly identical.

if springer can turn into a 10&4 elite defending guard that can space the floor and take over as a secondary ballhandler that's a massive win of a draft pick. and he might have even more scoring punch than melton did.

Negrodamus · Post #671 » by **Negrodamus** » Wed May 4, 2022 9:58 pm

stormi wrote:springer is actually an interesting comparative for deanthony melton coming out. definitely not as exaggerated with the steal and block rates, but springer is a tremendous poa defender that carried that into g league.

springer was a better passer coming out and shot really well from the ft line as an 18 year old, but on less volume than melton. their ft rates were nearly identical.

if springer can turn into a 10&4 elite defending guard that can space the floor and take over as a secondary ballhandler that's a massive win of a draft pick. and he might have even more scoring punch than melton did.

Yea, he's just such a boring player to watch on offense. All he has to do is become a faster shooter (while maintaining the accuracy he had at Tennessee) and he can probably replace Danny Green. He's built pretty well and was phenomenal on defense every time I watched him.

Kobblehead · Post #672 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 4, 2022 11:22 pm

I've been a big advocate of Springer since we took him, but I have to admit, I've become a little discouraged by his massive regression with his free throw shooting in the G-League. I'm worried there could be a work ethic issue or something there. Only things that translated directly to the G-League were his excellent defense and his plus per-minute scoring output. His passing took a slight dip as he played less on the ball and his free throw shooting took a massive nosedive.

Kobblehead · Post #673 » by **Kobblehead** » Wed May 4, 2022 11:31 pm

McGowens seems ripe for the picking. He's got one of the better upsides in the draft (albeit with significantly more risk than the top guys). Regardless, when a talent like him is seemingly available in picks #25-#35, I think you gotta secure a pick in that range to get him.

stormi · Post #674 » by **stormi** » Thu May 5, 2022 1:57 am

pro mcgowens

Kobblehead · Post #675 » by **Kobblehead** » Fri May 6, 2022 12:28 pm

Yeah, McGowens feels like the Tyrese Maxey/Josh Christopher/Cam Thomas type who will get picked later than they should for not having a well-rounded game but then instantly feel like a steal for their drafting team.

Negrodamus · Post #676 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 6, 2022 4:22 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Yeah, McGowens feels like the Tyrese Maxey/Josh Christopher/Cam Thomas type who will get picked later than they should for not having a well-rounded game but then instantly feel like a steal for their drafting team.

I'm trying to like him because he's got the size, length, shooting ability, and was a top 25 recruit, but man was he terrible statistically last year. Trash STL%, AST%. I know BPM has a bad rep, but find anyone in the All Star game with one as bad in college as his. Zach LaVine is probably the only one.

He feels like a Brandon Boston type without the built in excuse of COVID. On top of that, he was given the green light to carry his team, but was inefficient and they sucked.

Negrodamus · Post #677 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 6, 2022 4:30 pm

Like what makes him a better prospect than Dalen Terry who has pretty great advanced numbers, is more of a creator for others, and is similarly built/age?

Negrodamus · Post #678 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 6, 2022 4:41 pm

Lol, Laravia wasn't even on Tankathon a few weeks ago and he's now at the end of the first round.

Negrodamus · Post #679 » by **Negrodamus** » Fri May 6, 2022 4:57 pm

Btw, this is a truly tragic draft. Really bad. There are future all stars like Jabari Smith, but not much after the lottery and the second round is stinky.

Kobblehead · Post #680 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat May 7, 2022 12:25 am

I think McGowens has the perfect combination of shotcreation arsenal and scoring confidence to be great at the next level. And I'm even more confident in him based on his baseline shooting skill. Dude was shooting nearly 86% in conference play from the free throw line.

All the obvious warts are going to make him fall and I think teams are going to be kicking themselves for letting him drop.

Now I don't know anything about his work ethic or likeability as a person. Perhaps there's issues there that we don't know about. If the intangibles check out, I think he's a no-brainer if we have a pick.