Fantasy trade thread: new trade threads merged to here

[corwin]

Unless it is a smokescreen...I can't see Ellis for Iguodala happening, and I think ET is the SG of the future for this team. Didn't like ETs matchups against the bigger SFs and am confident his jumper will improve. That being said, Jerry West is in GSW, so I wouldn't be shocked if Ellis is moved for winning pieces, but I hope that Thorn isn't pulling the trigger if that is offered.

Well, if they feel that they have to move Iggy, maybe Ellis is the best player they can get. ET is versatile & could start at the 3 & still play minutes at the 2 and with the second unit. The other thing that comes to mind is that there is very little in the draft that will help the team at #16. Unless they take Markieff Morris (if he's available) as a back-up 4 or a long-term project (Montiejunas or Noguiera), the best fit might be Singleton (a 6'9" defensive specialist) who can back up the 3, 4, & possibly 2 positions. The need for a player like that is increased quite a bit if Iggy is traded.

[corwin]

I don't want to get in the middle of the friendly argument that you guys are having but Singleton is an intriguing pick for us. Of course you draft a star, projected starter or developmental big man if the guy is going to be good. Other than Nogueira or Montiejunas those developmental players aren't there. After that, I'd say you go for need. Well, there's no starting center available & the SGs are like the PFs available; all have question marks. After that I think you pick a specialist. If Iguodala is traded (I expect that he'll be moved for a SG after reading today's article), that leaves a hole in the roster for a defensive player in the front court. Singleton may be the best & most developed player available to us in the draft providing those skills.

[BringBackKorver]

It's freakish in comparison to what offensive wing players are used to seeing along the perimeter. Go down the line of some of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA and look for ones with a 7 foot wingspan. LeBron is the only one I know of.

Ariza, Josh Smith, Posey (when he used to actually get minutes), and Deng. Granger can defend a bit, so can Marvin Williams.

Guys with potential to be very good wing defenders with 7 ft wingspans - Wes Johnson, Aminu, Durant.

Then guys with 6'11 + wingspans - Iguodala, Rush, Brewer, Caron, George, Moon.

7 foot wingspan isn't very "freakish" for a wing player. Those are just guys who can play defense. There are plenty who have those measurables and can't play a shade of it.

I think the only time to take these kinds of things seriously are when there is someone who completely stands out in a bad way. Yeah, you can say "well this guy is a few inches longer, he's got more potential based on size," but the only time I really bring those into the equation is when I can't decide between two guys based on their actual talent, etc.

[HartfordWhalers]

Saw on the other Philly board that I visit that Iguodala for Monta Ellis is out there. Than today I read Kate's column saying the same thing & Thorn's comments that the team needs a SG that can score. Monta may be undersized at the 2 but with Jrue covering the better offensive player (think Eric Snow) that might not be such a bad mix. GS has new ownership, management & now Jerry West. In any case, where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

I didn't see that in the article and looked for it.

Here's the site: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/six ... _step.html
The article is titled: In Thorn's quest to improve 76ers, a scorer is first step

The article goes on to discuss Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin, OJ Mayo, James Harden & Danny Granger. It's an interesting read because many of us assumed they were trying to get a big for Iggy. Maybe the deal for a big that Thorn would accept is not there (Kaman, Varejao, Jefferson, Biedrins, Milcic, etc.) & this is the next need of the team.

I read the article. Unlike the title, there isn't a single comment from Thorn that he wants a ag that can score.
Kate said gay or kaman. Now she says a new list, and notes that she doesn't see kaman fitting. And philly.com notes gay was never on the market.

Heck. Mayo is the third most likely ag for iguodala?
Why does Memphis want to trade him? To clear salary. So for iguodala?

Article reads like bleacher report. Random wishlist with nothing behind it. Ymmv.

[BringBackKorver]

Yeah Kate's been disappointing lately. She's just throwing out names at this point and hoping she can match one up and get some "I told you so" points.

[fierceCRT]

In the order i would want them

1. Ellis
2. Harden
3. Mayo
4. Granger
5. Martin

[Kobblehead]

What was the point of that post?

[Kobblehead]

Ariza, Josh Smith, Posey (when he used to actually get minutes), and Deng. Granger can defend a bit, so can Marvin Williams.

Guys with potential to be very good wing defenders with 7 ft wingspans - Wes Johnson, Aminu, Durant.

Then guys with 6'11 + wingspans - Iguodala, Rush, Brewer, Caron, George, Moon.

7 foot wingspan isn't very "freakish" for a wing player. Those are just guys who can play defense. There are plenty who have those measurables and can't play a shade of it.

I think the only time to take these kinds of things seriously are when there is someone who completely stands out in a bad way. Yeah, you can say "well this guy is a few inches longer, he's got more potential based on size," but the only time I really bring those into the equation is when I can't decide between two guys based on their actual talent, etc.

First off, Josh Smith is not a perimeter player. And Granger and Marvin Williams are terrible defenders. But anyway, I don't even get the basis of this post. What was the point of quoting me and showing me this?

I'm not saying that Singleton is going to be great just because of his wingspan. I'm saying that he's already a great defender and his wingspan is going to highlight that even further in terms of him disrupting offensive players.

A few of the best perimeter defenders in the league Battier, Iguodala, Allen, Deng, Sefolosha, ETC. He is taller and has longer arms than all of these guys. Deng and Bron are the only two ELITE defenders that have 7 foot wingspans, but not 7'1" wingspans like Singleton.

A great defender who is 6'9" 230 pounds with a 7'1" wingspan is abit freakish along the perimeter because only Deng and LeBron really present that look in the entire league. And Singleton is bigger and longer than both of them. So how is that not freakish?

[Point-God]

1. Harden
2. Martin
3. Ellis
4. Granger
5. Mayo

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Any one of those from that list of five would please me.

[HartfordWhalers]

1 Harden
2 Iguodala.
3 The player formerly known as O.J.

I don't see the benefits of an Iguodala/Ellis/Granger/martin swapping.

Mayo fell off a cliff this year, but it offers cap space.

Okc has its team, so that one isn't happening. Still its first.

[d0nk]

I was just batting this idea around in my head - who rejects this trade first OKC or Philly...

OKC trades
Russel Westbrook
Nick Collison

Philly trades
Andre Iguodala
Jrue Holiday

[Kobblehead]

Westbrook plays a losing style of basketball. We went through 11 years of a 5x better version of him.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I agree....^^Westbrook is exciting and athletic and can run fast and could probably average 30 points a game on our team but i'm fine just keeping Holiday and grooming him.
I think eventually Westbrooks' luck is gonna run out. Holiday is already a better shooter than him from the outside and once the athletic freakishness goes so goes the game of Russel Westbrook much like it went for Allen Iverson. Holiday is looking at a very long productive career in the mold of Steve Nash, and Chauncey Billups. I"M NOT COMPARING HIS GAME TO THEIRS SO DONT JUMP TO FCKING CONCLUSIONS! I'm speaking in terms of longevitiy.

[Kobblehead]

Longevity and embodying a winning style. I agree.

[d0nk]

I agree w/ both of you, but doesnt a starting lineup of westbrook, turner, thad, brand, collison win 50+ games? As for OKC, jrue, harden, iggy, durant, perkins would also seem to fit better.

[d0nk]

Just read Kate's article... again, none of the names suggested excite me.

Any trade they make has to work around Jrue/Turner/Thad as the team's nucleus and future.

Ellis/Gay/Mayo/etc would only serve to continue the log jam we have at this team's swing positions.

[BringBackKorver]

I'm saying that there are gobs of wing players with 7 foot wingspans, and it's not so freakish.

[Kobblehead]

Bro, that's not what I'm saying. Wing players, cool. How many wing DEFENDERSSSSSSSS have 7 foot wingspans? LeBron and Deng are the only two that come to mind. And Singleton has a bigger wingspan than both of them. Chris Singleton will have the biggest wingspan among perimeter defenders in the league.

[fierceCRT]

I dont see a logjam. ET can play either SG or SF, so whoever we trade for would be the other starter at the other position. Thad is gona be a bench player that creates mismatches just like this year.

As far as Westbrook goes, i would rather have Jrue long term, call me crazy.