Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Ericb5]

What any of us wants is irrelevant as we have no say in the matter. I personally would hold on to Thad until the trade deadline even if it meant risking getting less for him then.

I always said from the beginning of the Bennett rumors that it seemed too good to be true. Bennett is worth more than Young.

In the end though, I trust Hinkie. If he thinks the Miami pick is worth it then so be it. I'll just be rooting for Wade or Bosh to get injured since that is probably all it would take for them to have the pick be in the mid teens.


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[BullyKing]

What any of us wants is irrelevant as we have no say in the matter. I personally would hold on to Thad until the trade deadline even if it meant risking getting less for him then.



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I think it is almost impossible to get a meaningfully better trade at the deadline. Right now, a team like the Wolves can dream - almost anyone (except for us) can dream of the playoffs at this time of year. At the deadline, when the Wolves are 15 games under, there is simply no way they trade a first for a 1/3 season of Thad. So realistically, you're down to the playoff teams. Most playoff teams won't want Thad because they're probably pretty decent already and already have a 6th man swing forward type. Of those that don't, you have to find one with the right mix of useless expirings to match contracts. Then that team that both needs Thad and has the necessary matching salaries also has to have a worse record than Miami so that their pick is actually better.


All that said, I'll take what I can get now and trust that Hinkie is taking the best deal on the table at the moment.

[LongLiveHinkie]

You're debating with someone who thinks what similar players fetched in recent trades is irrelevant to determining the value of your own players. He must be a big Amaro fan.

At the end of the day, you have to take a deal you are comfortable with. If you aren't comfortable with the value, then accepting a trade offer just because another GM did something similar is freaking asinine.

Again, what specific trades for Thad would you be comfortable with? And why, if you did not get that price exactly, would you rather just let him walk for nothing? Oh yeah, to spite the team that refused your demands.

Not just out of spite. Out of principle. You set a bad precedent by accepting less value than you think your player is worth. It happened for years in the NBA with teams trading away their disgruntled superstars for crap, just because they hamstrung their teams by telling interested clubs they wouldn't re-sign with them. I actually applaud Minnesota for breaking the mold and hanging tough with demanding Wiggins. They could have been like other teams and caved for less return.

If I was Hinkie I'd demand Bennett or Shabazz or I'd tell them that we like Thad, he's a good player, and we are fine keeping him. If they cave, great. If not, I still walk away with a smile on my face and let him walk at the end of the year. Miami's draft pick isn't going to be good enough to have any regrets about.

[Sixerscan]

Yeah Thad's value drops if teams don't gets a training camp to integrate him into the system. Then continues to drop with every game played.

[BullyKing]

At the end of the day, you have to take a deal you are comfortable with. If you aren't comfortable with the value, then accepting a trade offer just because another GM did something similar is freaking asinine.

Again, what specific trades for Thad would you be comfortable with? And why, if you did not get that price exactly, would you rather just let him walk for nothing? Oh yeah, to spite the team that refused your demands.

Not just out of spite. Out of principle. You set a bad precedent by accepting less value than you think your player is worth.

If I was Hinkie I'd demand Bennett or Shabazz or I'd tell them that we like Thad, he's a good player, and we are fine keeping him. If they cave, great. If not, I still walk away with a smile on my face and let him walk at the end of the year. Miami's draft pick isn't going to be good enough to have any regrets about.

Wrong, bad precedent is set by not realizing that a player's value is set by the rest of the market, not yourself. That is when no one bothers to deal with you anymore.

Your second paragraph is nonsense.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Again, what specific trades for Thad would you be comfortable with? And why, if you did not get that price exactly, would you rather just let him walk for nothing? Oh yeah, to spite the team that refused your demands.

Not just out of spite. Out of principle. You set a bad precedent by accepting less value than you think your player is worth.

If I was Hinkie I'd demand Bennett or Shabazz or I'd tell them that we like Thad, he's a good player, and we are fine keeping him. If they cave, great. If not, I still walk away with a smile on my face and let him walk at the end of the year. Miami's draft pick isn't going to be good enough to have any regrets about.

Wrong, bad precedent is set by not realizing that a player's value is set by the rest of the market, not yourself. That is when no one bothers to deal with you anymore.

Your second paragraph is nonsense.

lol, my paragraph is nonsense? Please. No GMs "don't bother to deal with you anymore" if you set your price high. That is counter-productive. Any GM will be willing to deal if they like what you have to offer. Stop.

A player's value is not necessarily set by the rest of the market. The Clippers were just sold by way above market value. Value is whatever someone is willing to pay for something. Period. And that is fluid and changes day to day, hour by hour. You may claim that Thad's value is no more than a Miami Heat first round pick, but that value changes instantly, if someone comes in and thinks higher of Thad and offers more.

There is no set value on anyone. It's always changing.

[BullyKing]

Not just out of spite. Out of principle. You set a bad precedent by accepting less value than you think your player is worth.

If I was Hinkie I'd demand Bennett or Shabazz or I'd tell them that we like Thad, he's a good player, and we are fine keeping him. If they cave, great. If not, I still walk away with a smile on my face and let him walk at the end of the year. Miami's draft pick isn't going to be good enough to have any regrets about.

Wrong, bad precedent is set by not realizing that a player's value is set by the rest of the market, not yourself. That is when no one bothers to deal with you anymore.

Your second paragraph is nonsense.

lol, my paragraph is nonsense? Please. No GMs "don't bother to deal with you anymore" if you set your price high. That is counter-productive. Any GM will be willing to deal if they like what you have to offer. Stop.

A player's value is not necessarily set by the rest of the market. The Clippers were just sold by way above market value. Value is whatever someone is willing to pay for something. Period. And that is fluid and changes day to day, hour by hour. You may claim that Thad's value is no more than a Miami Heat first round pick, but that value changes instantly, if someone comes in and thinks higher of Thad and offers more.

There is no set value on anyone. It's always changing.

The first paragraph is exactly what I'm saying. A player's value is determined by what the rest of the market will offer for him - not what you think is the value of your own player.

As to the rest, lol, ok buddy - enjoy the rest of your night.

[LloydFree]

Again, what specific trades for Thad would you be comfortable with? And why, if you did not get that price exactly, would you rather just let him walk for nothing? Oh yeah, to spite the team that refused your demands.

Not just out of spite. Out of principle. You set a bad precedent by accepting less value than you think your player is worth.

If I was Hinkie I'd demand Bennett or Shabazz or I'd tell them that we like Thad, he's a good player, and we are fine keeping him. If they cave, great. If not, I still walk away with a smile on my face and let him walk at the end of the year. Miami's draft pick isn't going to be good enough to have any regrets about.

Wrong, bad precedent is set by not realizing that a player's value is set by the rest of the market, not yourself. That is when no one bothers to deal with you anymore.

Your second paragraph is nonsense.

Pretty much.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Wrong, bad precedent is set by not realizing that a player's value is set by the rest of the market, not yourself. That is when no one bothers to deal with you anymore.

Your second paragraph is nonsense.

lol, my paragraph is nonsense? Please. No GMs "don't bother to deal with you anymore" if you set your price high. That is counter-productive. Any GM will be willing to deal if they like what you have to offer. Stop.

A player's value is not necessarily set by the rest of the market. The Clippers were just sold by way above market value. Value is whatever someone is willing to pay for something. Period. And that is fluid and changes day to day, hour by hour. You may claim that Thad's value is no more than a Miami Heat first round pick, but that value changes instantly, if someone comes in and thinks higher of Thad and offers more.

There is no set value on anyone. It's always changing.

The first paragraph is exactly what I'm saying. A player's value is determined by what the rest of the market will offer for him - not what you think is the value of your own player.

As to the rest, lol, ok buddy - enjoy the rest of your night.

Well I never said a player's value isn't what someone else will pay for them. I'm saying you don't have to trade him for that value.

You could upgrade to a brand new TV, and have zero need for your old one, but if your old TV is only worth $100, then you might choose not to sell it.

I'm not even sure what you are arguing exactly. Just because Thad's value is as good as what someone else will pay, doesn't mean Hinkie has to just accept it willy nilly if he's not comfortable with the return.

You are basically saying that if Hinkie isn't comfortable with trading a player for his value, he should just accept it anyway, because other people told him to.

[trevor0333]

lol, my paragraph is nonsense? Please. No GMs "don't bother to deal with you anymore" if you set your price high. That is counter-productive. Any GM will be willing to deal if they like what you have to offer. Stop.

A player's value is not necessarily set by the rest of the market. The Clippers were just sold by way above market value. Value is whatever someone is willing to pay for something. Period. And that is fluid and changes day to day, hour by hour. You may claim that Thad's value is no more than a Miami Heat first round pick, but that value changes instantly, if someone comes in and thinks higher of Thad and offers more.

There is no set value on anyone. It's always changing.

So your that guy in monopoly that holds up the entire game demanding Park Place for Baltic ave...

[snoopdogg88]

I tried to tell you all weeks ago.....

It was absurd that the Inquirer and the rest of the media tried to pretend like Bennett to the Sixers was some done deal.
How can they possibly claim a deal is done, when there was literally a month left before any trade could officially happen?

[LongLiveHinkie]

That's pretty embarrassing though, but the city's top paper to put their name on a concrete report, if it is wrong. They aren't some blog.

That's little league.

[SixersR1]

It is entirely possible that Hinkie is intrigued by this trade due to what occurred last year. If some team offered a better package at the beginning of last year for Turner or Hawes than what he settled on, perhaps he's more inclined to trade Thad now rather than wait until the deadline for better offers that never come.

Maybe im the only one here that doesnt view Miami as an elite team any longer. I dont think highly of Deng, and Wade's knee is too much of a question mark to rely on. If things go a certain type of way, their draft pick could have some serious value.

[snoopdogg88]

there were definitely rumors that Hinkie turned down offers of 1st round picks for ET in the offseason and that he rolled the dice on keeping Hawes/Turner until the deadline


I don't think Miami is any great team but the East is still terrible. They could be a 3 seed, 2nd-3rd round team pretty easily. It's kind of a hard pick to predict. It could be around 16-20, which honestly isn't bad value for Thad IMO
The rumored Minnesota deal is pretty underwhelming. Shved and Mbah , meh.

We'll see, I'm interested to see how it all comes down

[LongLiveHinkie]

Also rumors that the Suns were interested in Thad around the deadline and might have offered a 1st round pick.

Hinkie is rumored to be hard to deal with and always asks for the moon. There was a report around the draft that said that.

I just don't think he'd accept that rumored deal. It seems very unlike him.

He already drove a very hard bargain this summer for his cap space. Was asking for a lot to absorb a salary. You can use the same logic for that trade. "The Sixers won't be using that cap space anyway, so they might as well just get a pick for it." Well, Hinkie wanted a lot, and when he didn't get it, he said thanks, but no thanks. Don't see why this deal would be any different.

[76thBearCub]

So how do people feel about Thad for Miami pick plus whatever?

I think I'd take it. I applaud Thad though and hate to see him go.

[PhilasFinest]

Thad Young + 9 million dollars + Losing team + Player Option at seasons end , giving him complete freedom to go anywhere he chooses = Not getting last years #1 pick.

If we can get a pick out of it, so long. Good dude, good player but he isn't sticking around, wont be worth 10 million and wont be around when it matters anyways.

Get what you can and move on...we have no real leverage.

[76ers3]

Looks like it's a done deal. No Bennet or Shabazz.

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[LongLiveHinkie]

Yeah, Hinkie pretty much had a bad summer once the draft ended. Dropped him down a peg in my standing.

Also, I have absolutely no trust in the Daily News ever again. Lost all credibility.

I like how he holds firm for ****ing cap space of all things, and doesn't get in on the Cavs or Rockets deals for first rounder, but now he decides to take it in the ass when he actually has a quality asset to deal.

Thumbs down for this offseason so far for Sam Hinkie.

[The Sixer Fixer]

Yeah, Hinkie pretty much had a bad summer once the draft ended. Dropped him down a peg in my standing.

Also, I have absolutely no trust in the Daily News ever again. Lost all credibility.

They likely just latched onto the original speculation by Brian Windhorst that Bennett was involved. All along I found it hard to believe that one of our beat writers would have the details and no one else would. We have possibly the most secretive GM so why would we think anyone leaked it to a local writer? Just made no sense.