Sam Hinkie steps down per Marc Stein

WVU · Post #681 » by **WVU** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:18 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:Press Conference Sunday at WFC. Perfect time to show up and protest, just sayin.

What time

XtremeDunkz · Post #682 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:19 am

WVU wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Press Conference Sunday at WFC. Perfect time to show up and protest, just sayin.

What time

2:30 I believe.

guitarpath · Post #683 » by **guitarpath** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:27 am

phiphan wrote:
guitarpath wrote:I think Hinkie is a smart guy and was on board with The Process, but if we are going to be objective, we should admit a few things:

1. Hinkie was perfectly willing to tank perpetually until he acquired the stars necessary to compete. A perpetual tank (or one lasting 4-7 years), while fine in theory, would never work in reality for several reasons (including pressure from the league, financial pressure, establishing a toxic culture of losing, not being able to attract for retain players. etc.)
2. Hinkie's communication and interpersonal issues were a major problem which was undermining the team's growth and future.

But yeah, neither of these are true. The indications were clear that this was the last year of hard tanking. The "communication and interpersonal issues" are a product of Sam freezing out local media, and local media getting pissy about it. How does that affect how he runs the team? Where do you see "objective" evidence that his supposed "communication and interpersonal issues" affected the team?

I will admit this about Sam: his talent evaluation was questionable.

Hinkie's communication and interpersonal issues were well beyond his relationship with the media. Sam did not have good rapport with agents. Many resented him (Sam reportedly was aloof and had a bad habit of not returning calls) and did not trust him. The Porzingis dynamic last offseason was but one example. Do you really think agents were going to let their elite or even mid-level clients sign with the Sixers with Sam here this summer?

Hinkie's handling of the Okafor situation this season was also an issue. Leaders lead. Sam did not lead in that instance. He had his coach speak for the organization and answer the hard questions. That never should have happened. Putting a 20 year-old kid in this situation with no support and guidance and then not answering to this was frankly a disgrace.

76erStu · Post #684 » by **76erStu** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:01 am

my thoughts and tweet to Scott Oniel

@ScottONeil ownership & you bought fully into the process; not even 3 yrs in back out over pressure f/ the league, bad pub & $$. #pathetic

mksp · Post #685 » by **mksp** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 4:11 am

76erStu wrote:my thoughts and tweet to Scott Oniel

@ScottONeil ownership & you bought fully into the process; not even 3 yrs in back out over pressure f/ the league, bad pub & $$. #pathetic

Keep it up as long as it takes.

Tell your friends.

Post #686 » by **CoreyGallagher** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:26 am

XtremeDunkz wrote:
WVU wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Press Conference Sunday at WFC. Perfect time to show up and protest, just sayin.

What time

2:30 I believe.

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WVU · Post #687 » by **WVU** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 5:30 am

CoreyGallagher wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:
WVU wrote:
What time

2:30 I believe.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/phillythought/status/718637965996605441[/tweet]

Lmao I needed that

ET Da Gawd · Post #688 » by **ET Da Gawd** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 9:32 am

Its a shame, we as fans were expecting to build for true perennial contention, now all the casuals & non chip wanters got their wish. Tear down the build for a 5-8 seed and cheer about how they get knocked out every year. I have no feelings towards this team anymore at this point, wish there was a way to erase the Colangelos from this organization

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phiphan · Post #689 » by **phiphan** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 2:48 pm

guitarpath wrote:Hinkie's communication and interpersonal issues were well beyond his relationship with the media. Sam did not have good rapport with agents. Many resented him (Sam reportedly was aloof and had a bad habit of not returning calls) and did not trust him. The Porzingis dynamic last offseason was but one example. Do you really think agents were going to let their elite or even mid-level clients sign with the Sixers with Sam here this summer?

Hinkie's handling of the Okafor situation this season was also an issue. Leaders lead. Sam did not lead in that instance. He had his coach speak for the organization and answer the hard questions. That never should have happened. Putting a 20 year-old kid in this situation with no support and guidance and then not answering to this was frankly a disgrace.

Where is your "objective" evidence that Okafor had "no support or guidance"? Couldn't it be that he's just a knucklehead? For someone claiming "objectivity," there's not much to your evidence but rumors. We'll just have to differ on whether Brown handling that was a "disgrace" -- for all we know, it was internally decided Brown should handle it since he's more savvy with the media.

You don't need to have a great relationship with agents if you're gonna pay their player more $$$ than the next team and are in a clearly better position. Hinkie's supposed rep with other GMs didn't stop him destroying Vlade. Danny Ainge is well known as a horrendous lowballer, but still makes tremendous moves. You're overvaluing reputation, particularly with GMs, because every GM thinks he's smarter than the next.

Unbreakable99 · Post #690 » by **Unbreakable99** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 11:00 pm

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XtremeDunkz · Post #691 » by **XtremeDunkz** » Sat Apr 9, 2016 11:17 pm

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Evan Turner would actually be a perfect backup wing for a good team. Too bad we were the ones that picked him 2nd overall.

cksdayoff · Post #692 » by **cksdayoff** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:05 am

we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

Wonderllama · Post #693 » by **Wonderllama** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:15 am

I wonder at what point ownership realizes they've made a terrible hire.

... Probably after the first trade involving a 1st round pick I imagine.

Agnostifarian · Post #694 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 12:35 am

cksdayoff wrote:we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

NJ SixerFan · Post #695 » by **NJ SixerFan** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 1:04 am

Agnostifarian wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

I know a few of them are sad to see hinkie go. He gave them their only chance to live their dream of playing in the NBA. This is quite possibly the last year for some of these guys in the NBA.

guitarpath · Post #696 » by **guitarpath** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:20 am

phiphan wrote: Where is your "objective" evidence that Okafor had "no support or guidance"? Couldn't it be that he's just a knucklehead? For someone claiming "objectivity," there's not much to your evidence but rumors. We'll just have to differ on whether Brown handling that was a "disgrace" -- for all we know, it was internally decided Brown should handle it since he's more savvy with the media.

You don't need to have a great relationship with agents if you're gonna pay their player more $$$ than the next team and are in a clearly better position. Hinkie's supposed rep with other GMs didn't stop him destroying Vlade. Danny Ainge is well known as a horrendous lowballer, but still makes tremendous moves. You're overvaluing reputation, particularly with GMs, because every GM thinks he's smarter than the next.

As I said, I was a Hinkie supporter. However, the issues are well-documented.

1. Hinkie had Okafor enter his rookie season without a significant veteran presence on the team. Moreover, he did not have the team's security detail monitor Okafor until after the details of his issues were made public. I think Okafor is a decent kid, but if you give any 19-20 year old money, fame, and time, bad things will happen. Hinkie did not establish an infrastructure which could have prevented this. In a league in which 19 year-old kids are drafted with regularity, many front office executives anticipate these issues.

2. If it was "internally decided" that Brown would answer for the team's handling of Okafor's off-court issues, it was Hinkie who did the deciding. Putting your coach in the position to answer for management's failure in this situation was troubling. The team was already asking the head coach to lead and teach what is predominately a D-League roster while taking on the nearly impossible task of staying positive and upbeat during a wretched 10-win season which followed not one but two tanked seasons, and now he has to be held accountable to the media for creating a situation that he did not in fact create? Hnkie standing by on the sidelines while his coach faced the bright lights of a media frenzy was a weak move.

3. Many teams in the league will have plenty of cap space this summer for free agents. The Sixers' having a bit more than most is not particularly advantageous, especially when considering the state of the team and the reputation of management league-wide. It is well-known that agents had major issues with Hinkie. In any business, relationships are vitally important. This is one of the primary reasons why Jerry Colangelo was brought in - to provide a measure of gravitas and legitimacy to the front office. Hinkie not being granted access to Porzingis by his agent last year was an example of how this dynamic between Hinkie and agents was hurting the franchise.

PhilasFinest · Post #697 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 3:59 am

Agnostifarian wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

Well considering all of 2-3 of them are actual NBA caliber players, they better be careful of what they hope for. Pretty sure most of this roster would be in europe or the D-league of it wasn't for this tank.

Im sure wanting to be traded this summer has nothing to do with being apart of a 10 win team,being the laughing stock of the league or one of the worst rosters ever assembled in the history of the NBA. :roll:

Agnostifarian · Post #698 » by **Agnostifarian** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 7:57 am

PhilasFinest wrote:
Agnostifarian wrote:
cksdayoff wrote:we're fcked. i want a title contender. is brett brown staying?

I think D'Antoni will be promoted to head coach. BB is a Hinkie hire. Dead man walking. I bet every player is hoping to be traded this summer.

Well considering all of 2-3 of them are actual NBA caliber players, they better be careful of what they hope for. Pretty sure most of this roster would be in europe or the D-league of it wasn't for this tank.

Im sure wanting to be traded this summer has nothing to do with being apart of a 10 win team,being the laughing stock of the league or one of the worst rosters ever assembled in the history of the NBA.

It's too bad we don't have like, four first round draft picks this year and $45 million of Salary-cap space to sign free agents… Oh, wait!

The point is that ownership has absolutely botched everything it has embarked on beginning with the Bynum trade except making money.

The only difference between Harris and Vivek is Sam, Thank God for the pick swaps!

76ers · Post #699 » by **76ers** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:06 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:
WVU wrote:
XtremeDunkz wrote:Press Conference Sunday at WFC. Perfect time to show up and protest, just sayin.

What time

2:30 I believe.

Has this been confirmed?

Embiid P · Post #700 » by **Embiid P** » Sun Apr 10, 2016 4:15 pm

I'll miss the press conference as I'm going to the US women's soccer game at PPL park. I assume it will be available through streaming on the Sixers website?