Markelle Fultz Discussion

[tsmith]

We were hearing the exact same thing about Simmons too. When you play on bad teams with bad players things like this are going to be highlighted.

If Simmons had played at Duke instead of LSU he would be a winner with no weaknesses. If Fultz had played at Kansas instead of Washington exactly the same.

I mean look at Javale McGee... absolutely laughing stock... joins Golden State and suddenly he looks like a top 5 center. That's the way it works.

If anything guys like Simmons and Fultz will thrive and be even better than they were in College with better players around them creating more space for them to work in. It's natural that guys playing in losing sides with no talented teammates are going to struggle to maintain intensity. I don't think it has any bearing on how they will be in the NBA though.

Im a big fan of Simmons. I think him leading LSU to a .500 record was impressive considering the team he had, and I think him and Embiid are monsters, if they stay healthy thats a scary duo.

Fultz on the other hand ...
him making Washington .500 team was a very realistic goal....but he didnt accomplish that. They went 9-22. Thats a HUGE difference. he couldnt finish out the season (could be bad luck or an ongoing thing ..we dont know yet, i guess well find out). Hes a SG to me and a good scorer but his impact on the game is minimal

Lonzo Ball led UCLA to a 31-5 with a lot of the same players that were on the team the year before that went under .500
Dennis Smith was in a similar situation as Fultz , with bad teammates and he led them to a .500 record. (like Simmons did last year)

Now everyone acts surprised that hes killing it for the Mavs in Summer League. I guess Im just a little surprised at how these things were ignored before the draft, I really think people got influenced by Draft Express and online 'draft experts'.

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players. That's why there is some shock at what these players look like in summer league. Nobody is doing anything in Summer League that they didn't do all year.

It's a joke that Dennis Smith fell to 9th in this draft. He was one of the top 3-4 players in this draft.

I don't even reckon they watch the highlights. Watch nearly anything of Dennis Smith and it's clear he is an elite prospect who is well and truly a far better player than the 9th pick.

[76thBearCub]

So do people in the front offices only watch highlights too? Because they are the ones who let him slide to 9.

[europeanfan]

A lot of Smith's negative buzz was about his attitude, time will tell.

With Ntilikina I see 0% bust potential, he won't ever get a quick first step but he has all defense potential and a good looking shot already, that's basically a better prospect than Marcus Smart. He also seems to have great work ethic.

Fox same thing, you know he won't bust, maybe he doesn't become great but it's hard to see how he doesn't become very good.

Work ethic and love for the game are huge. Don't think highlights reel told you Kawhi Leonard had that much upside.

[Ericb5]

Im a big fan of Simmons. I think him leading LSU to a .500 record was impressive considering the team he had, and I think him and Embiid are monsters, if they stay healthy thats a scary duo.

Fultz on the other hand ...
him making Washington .500 team was a very realistic goal....but he didnt accomplish that. They went 9-22. Thats a HUGE difference. he couldnt finish out the season (could be bad luck or an ongoing thing ..we dont know yet, i guess well find out). Hes a SG to me and a good scorer but his impact on the game is minimal

Lonzo Ball led UCLA to a 31-5 with a lot of the same players that were on the team the year before that went under .500
Dennis Smith was in a similar situation as Fultz , with bad teammates and he led them to a .500 record. (like Simmons did last year)

Now everyone acts surprised that hes killing it for the Mavs in Summer League. I guess Im just a little surprised at how these things were ignored before the draft, I really think people got influenced by Draft Express and online 'draft experts'.

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players. That's why there is some shock at what these players look like in summer league. Nobody is doing anything in Summer League that they didn't do all year.

It's a joke that Dennis Smith fell to 9th in this draft. He was one of the top 3-4 players in this draft.

I don't even reckon they watch the highlights. Watch nearly anything of Dennis Smith and it's clear he is an elite prospect who is well and truly a far better player than the 9th pick.

I was a big Smith fan all year, but I think the reason that he fell to 9th is because he is a spectacular scoring guard that can only defend the point, and that means that you need to find someone who can run the team, but defend the 2 to play with him.

That being said, he should have gone to Orlando or NY at least.

He is going to be a stud in the NBA. Whether or not a team can win with him at the point is yet to be seen.


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[ivysixer2000]

I'm convinced people didn't watch these players, other than an occasional highlights video on YouTube. Reading scouting reports from the non-scouts on draft sites built a consensus. DraftExpress tells people what their opinions should be on these players. That's why there is some shock at what these players look like in summer league. Nobody is doing anything in Summer League that they didn't do all year.

It's a joke that Dennis Smith fell to 9th in this draft. He was one of the top 3-4 players in this draft.

I don't even reckon they watch the highlights. Watch nearly anything of Dennis Smith and it's clear he is an elite prospect who is well and truly a far better player than the 9th pick.

I was a big Smith fan all year, but I think the reason that he fell to 9th is because he is a spectacular scoring guard that can only defend the point, and that means that you need to find someone who can run the team, but defend the 2 to play with him.

That being said, he should have gone to Orlando or NY at least.

He is going to be a stud in the NBA. Whether or not a team can win with him at the point is yet to be seen.


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Where is Larry Hughes when you need him.....ok that might've not worked...

[Ericb5]

I don't even reckon they watch the highlights. Watch nearly anything of Dennis Smith and it's clear he is an elite prospect who is well and truly a far better player than the 9th pick.

I was a big Smith fan all year, but I think the reason that he fell to 9th is because he is a spectacular scoring guard that can only defend the point, and that means that you need to find someone who can run the team, but defend the 2 to play with him.

That being said, he should have gone to Orlando or NY at least.

He is going to be a stud in the NBA. Whether or not a team can win with him at the point is yet to be seen.


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Where is Larry Hughes when you need him.....ok that might've not worked...

Hughes wasn't a point guard either. Eric Snow would be a better fit.

Smith presents the same problems for a back court partner that Iverson did. Iverson had HOF talent though. Smith's talent level is high, but he isn't Iverson.

I would have loved Smith on our team with Simmons, but just like Fultz in that role better.


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[freshie2]

Smith has history against him...undersized scorers like him have not shown the ability to win the championship as the main scoring option. Iverson, Francis, Thomas (current) all are exciting to watch, but aren't the main cog of a championship team. Smith is dynamic athletically and can score, so Mav fans will hold out hope that he can be the one to break the mold and bring a championship to Dallas...odds/history are not in his favor.

[LloydFree]

I was a big Smith fan all year, but I think the reason that he fell to 9th is because he is a spectacular scoring guard that can only defend the point, and that means that you need to find someone who can run the team, but defend the 2 to play with him.

That being said, he should have gone to Orlando or NY at least.

He is going to be a stud in the NBA. Whether or not a team can win with him at the point is yet to be seen.


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Where is Larry Hughes when you need him.....ok that might've not worked...

Hughes wasn't a point guard either. Eric Snow would be a better fit.

Smith presents the same problems for a back court partner that Iverson did. Iverson had HOF talent though. Smith's talent level is high, but he isn't Iverson.

I would have loved Smith on our team with Simmons, but just like Fultz in that role better.

Where did you get that? Hughes was a big PG in college. And he was drafted to play PG next to Iverson. The thought back then was he'd be able to play off Iverson as a big PG and guard 2's. Brown quickly abandoned it because Hughes didn't display NBA level PG instincts, and gave up on him. The talk then was Hughes was a perfect "fit" next to Iverson.

[cksdayoff]

Iverson was ball dominant. I dont think hughes was drafted as a pg.

[ivysixer2000]

Where is Larry Hughes when you need him.....ok that might've not worked...

Hughes wasn't a point guard either. Eric Snow would be a better fit.

Smith presents the same problems for a back court partner that Iverson did. Iverson had HOF talent though. Smith's talent level is high, but he isn't Iverson.

I would have loved Smith on our team with Simmons, but just like Fultz in that role better.

Where did you get that? Hughes was a big PG in college. And he was drafted to play PG next to Iverson. The thought back then was he'd be able to play off Iverson as a big PG and guard 2's. Brown quickly abandoned it because Hughes didn't display NBA level PG instincts, and gave up on him. The talk then was Hughes was a perfect "fit" next to Iverson.

It was a joke really for me to mention him, but yeah Hughes, we drafted him to play PG offensively and guard SGs defensively for Iverson. I just pointed it out cause Eric mentioned the same situation for DSJ. Larry Brown thought Hughes was long enough to defend SGs while playing the PG position on offense. Snow was just plain too short with no length, and later that came back to bite us.

The thought was Hughes could actually do it til we saw him play with Iverson.

The Flight Brothers, yeah that was the name, didn't last too long.

[MR28]

People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.

[711takeover]

People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.

Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better

[MR28]

People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.

Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better

LSU was a ranked team. Washington looked like they belonged at the YMCA.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I was watching some Washington Fultz tape today just to kill time and maybe it's an optical illusion, but he looked bigger and bulkier in college than he did since. It looks like he lost 20 pounds. Maybe it just looks that way, but did anyone else notice that?

Again, could just be how it looks on screen and his build may be exactly the same. Just how it appears.

[cksdayoff]

People in front offices are dinosaurs. They truly believe playing for a winning team in the NCAA is a worthy measurable.

And for that Heat fan who thought Simmons LSU wasn't 10 times better than Fultz's Washington team is insane.

If you took Markelle off that team, RealGM Sixers could put together a squad to give them a competitive game.

Both teams underachieved is the bottom line. LSU should've been better and UW should've also been better

its obvious you didny watch a single washington game last season

[Sixerscan]

Smith has history against him...undersized scorers like him have not shown the ability to win the championship as the main scoring option. Iverson, Francis, Thomas (current) all are exciting to watch, but aren't the main cog of a championship team. Smith is dynamic athletically and can score, so Mav fans will hold out hope that he can be the one to break the mold and bring a championship to Dallas...odds/history are not in his favor.

Seems like slightly high expectations for the #9 pick? Let's see Ntilikina or Markkanen leads their teams to a title.

[cksdayoff]

I was watching some Washington Fultz tape today just to kill time and maybe it's an optical illusion, but he looked bigger and bulkier in college than he did since. It looks like he lost 20 pounds. Maybe it just looks that way, but did anyone else notice that?

Again, could just be how it looks on screen and his build may be exactly the same. Just how it appears.

maybe an optical illusion but right now fultz is trying to get cut and gain more muscle definition. he may have bulked up a little too quickly and his body didnt really adjust to it seeng how he looked quicker and faster his senior year at dematha

[Kobblehead]

LSU and Washington were both garbage teams due to early draft entries.

Mickey and Martin left and Hornsby and Quarterman wound up being their best two returning players. It also didn't help that Antonio Blakeney was a complete bust as a Top 20 prospect.

Washington similarly got screwed over with Chriss and Murray both entering the draft early. Thybulle and Dime are the best Fultz had to work with. And David Crisp did everything he could to make things awful.

[Ericb5]

Where is Larry Hughes when you need him.....ok that might've not worked...

Hughes wasn't a point guard either. Eric Snow would be a better fit.

Smith presents the same problems for a back court partner that Iverson did. Iverson had HOF talent though. Smith's talent level is high, but he isn't Iverson.

I would have loved Smith on our team with Simmons, but just like Fultz in that role better.

Where did you get that? Hughes was a big PG in college. And he was drafted to play PG next to Iverson. The thought back then was he'd be able to play off Iverson as a big PG and guard 2's. Brown quickly abandoned it because Hughes didn't display NBA level PG instincts, and gave up on him. The talk then was Hughes was a perfect "fit" next to Iverson.

I got it from watching Hughes play. I understand that he was drafted as a point guard, but he wasn't a facilitator, and had a low BB IQ.

Smith and Iverson are dynamic, but chaotic talents. They need calming influences next to them that are capable of being primary ball handlers and facilitators, that are big and strong enough to guard 2 guards.

You can find guys like that, but not always easily, and even if you do, you usually then don't have a traditional shooting guard. You have a big point guard, and a scoring guard. It is harder to win that way.

I think Smith is going to be great in Dallas though, and they should be thrilled that he fell that far because he is more talented than a 9th pick.


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[Ericb5]

Hughes wasn't a point guard either. Eric Snow would be a better fit.

Smith presents the same problems for a back court partner that Iverson did. Iverson had HOF talent though. Smith's talent level is high, but he isn't Iverson.

I would have loved Smith on our team with Simmons, but just like Fultz in that role better.

Where did you get that? Hughes was a big PG in college. And he was drafted to play PG next to Iverson. The thought back then was he'd be able to play off Iverson as a big PG and guard 2's. Brown quickly abandoned it because Hughes didn't display NBA level PG instincts, and gave up on him. The talk then was Hughes was a perfect "fit" next to Iverson.

It was a joke really for me to mention him, but yeah Hughes, we drafted him to play PG offensively and guard SGs defensively for Iverson. I just pointed it out cause Eric mentioned the same situation for DSJ. Larry Brown thought Hughes was long enough to defend SGs while playing the PG position on offense. Snow was just plain too short with no length, and later that came back to bite us.

The thought was Hughes could actually do it til we saw him play with Iverson.

The Flight Brothers, yeah that was the name, didn't last too long.

Snow was very capable of guarding shooting guards. That wasn't his problem. The problem was that he couldn't shoot, and basically didn't give you anything on offense.

He was tough as nails defensively. Kobe said that he was the defender that gave him the most trouble.


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