Markelle Fultz Discussion III: For Fultz and going forward (see 2017 draft thread for trade discussion)

[Negrodamus]

Spike Eskin has been saying it for weeks now blaming all of our recent troubles on Bryan Colangelo, and a poster or two in the last couple pages have really tore into BC and said that he has come in here and done nothing but mess up the situation Hinkie put him in.

So three people have rustled your jimmies that much to where it's pertinent to use them in conversation? "People (all three of them) have been going hard after BC".

I see nonsense posted on Facebook whenever I log on. Do you know what my secret weapon is for nonsense? Ignoring it.

This is a discussion board, we have conversations. I like to address takes that I find infuriating rather than just letting them go. If you are one to ignore it, fine. Not my style.

Got it. Then I'll take your quotes with a grain of salt from now on, because the sample size could be two homeless guys you overheard on the subway and Alex Jones.

[LongLiveHinkie]

So three people have rustled your jimmies that much to where it's pertinent to use them in conversation? "People (all three of them) have been going hard after BC".

I see nonsense posted on Facebook whenever I log on. Do you know what my secret weapon is for nonsense? Ignoring it.

This is a discussion board, we have conversations. I like to address takes that I find infuriating rather than just letting them go. If you are one to ignore it, fine. Not my style.

Got it. Then I'll take your quotes with a grain of salt from now on, because the sample size could be two homeless guys you overheard on the subway and Alex Jones.

As long as that grain of salt is sea salt then we're all good.

[Mik317]

Hinkie is gone. Any decision made beyond that point is on the current regime.

Since then, drafting Simmons is the only move that we know of that was positive and one could argue that was a no brainer so its tough to give anyone credit for that. From there he signed 3 guys who sucked or suck in Hendo, Sergio and Bayless. Then he got **** all for Noel (regardless of whether or not he drafted him or not, good GMs get value on their players..even the ones they gave up on..and look I think Hinkie gets blown too much at times by parts of the fanbase, but he did get primo value for MCW and most of the guys he punted on too in retrospec so it is a valid thing to wonder if he wouldn't have botched the Noel thing or not; we don't know but still). He then went all in on a guy who may not have been the best (I am no expert so idk) and also wasted a shitton of picks that could have helped our depth to line the owners pockets. He then threw cap space at old and busted players who haven;t exactly brought leadership atm...and they probably don't fit either. The Jah trade is cool even if he waited too long but thats more on the FO and their fear of optics IMO.

None of those are catastrophic moves but they have started to add up. The above moves going in another direction could solve a lot of our current issues.....this means he **** up on some level. If Fultz returns and is gucci , then none of it matters really as his big move worked....just like Hinkie is mostly living off of Embiid and his draft pick trades...those are moves that look to have panned out. BC doesn't have that yet...which is why some worry that he will continue to make small but bad moves that end up capping us figuratively and actually.

For all the **** you give Brett for not being perfect it is funny that you don't do the same when it doesn't benefit your point.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The problem is, you aren't going to get great players on one year deals, unless you're a superstar like Lebron or Durant who sign them with the intent of capitalizing on greater money later, but the Sixers were not going to sign superstars. It's almost impossible to add quality depth to your roster and maintain future cap flexibility by signing one year deals. But the Sixers had to, to position themselves in the running for Paul George, Lebron, and others in the summer or even beyond into 2019.

So yeah, did Sergio or Henderson work out? No, but to be honest I doubt Colangelo even thought they were going to be that great. He was just trying to add bodies to make the roster respectable while they continued to save cap dollars and rebuild. Who were the great one year deal guys he missed out on? I didn't rip Hinkie for the one year deals either, I can't rip a GM for saving cap room.

I disagree with the Noel trade being bad. They got a superior player in return in Justin Anderson, plus a pick. How was that bad? Noel had no trade value. He's injury prone, is offensively inept, and a little cuckoo in the head with some weird habits and behaviors. He got maximum value for him. There is nothing I've seen to suggest he passed on some great deal for Noel. So, no, he didn't get **** all for Noel. He made a great trade. The Okafor trade was good, he got a nice player in Booker who has actually been good for us. Held onto him until he could get what he wanted. He didn't cave to public pressure and just waive him.

I LOVED and still LOVE the Fultz trade. He was my #1 player in the draft. You know that, I expressed my desire to have him for months. I will criticize him on how he handled the Pascecniks pick. Could have taken an NBA ready guy to play now, but didn't. Also he sold off 2nd rounders. If you wanna blame him fine.

But he also made two good Ilyasova trades. I think he's done a good job overall.

[XDevilBoiX]

The problem is, you aren't going to get great players on one year deals, unless you're a superstar like Lebron or Durant who sign them with the intent of capitalizing on greater money later, but the Sixers were not going to sign superstars. It's almost impossible to add quality depth to your roster and maintain future cap flexibility by signing one year deals. But the Sixers had to, to position themselves in the running for Paul George, Lebron, and others in the summer or even beyond into 2019.

So yeah, did Sergio or Henderson work out? No, but to be honest I doubt Colangelo even thought they were going to be that great. He was just trying to add bodies to make the roster respectable while they continued to save cap dollars and rebuild. Who were the great one year deal guys he missed out on? I didn't rip Hinkie for the one year deals either, I can't rip a GM for saving cap room.

I disagree with the Noel trade being bad. They got a superior player in return in Justin Anderson, plus a pick. How was that bad? Noel had no trade value. He's injury prone, is offensively inept, and a little cuckoo in the head with some weird habits and behaviors. He got maximum value for him. There is nothing I've seen to suggest he passed on some great deal for Noel. So, no, he didn't get **** all for Noel. He made a great trade. The Okafor trade was good, he got a nice player in Booker who has actually been good for us. Held onto him until he could get what he wanted. He didn't cave to public pressure and just waive him.

I LOVED and still LOVE the Fultz trade. He was my #1 player in the draft. You know that, I expressed my desire to have him for months. I will criticize him on how he handled the Pascecniks pick. Could have taken an NBA ready guy to play now, but didn't. Also he sold off 2nd rounders. If you wanna blame him fine.

But he also made two good Ilyasova trades. I think he's done a good job overall.

I disagree with a good job overall, why does our bench look like we are still tanking?? He had plenty of cap space to sign guys that helps. Bayless was a awful signing for 3 years?? Amir and JJ is costing us 34 million alone, that money could have been better spent on signing players that contributes.

[LongLiveHinkie]

The problem is, you aren't going to get great players on one year deals, unless you're a superstar like Lebron or Durant who sign them with the intent of capitalizing on greater money later, but the Sixers were not going to sign superstars. It's almost impossible to add quality depth to your roster and maintain future cap flexibility by signing one year deals. But the Sixers had to, to position themselves in the running for Paul George, Lebron, and others in the summer or even beyond into 2019.

So yeah, did Sergio or Henderson work out? No, but to be honest I doubt Colangelo even thought they were going to be that great. He was just trying to add bodies to make the roster respectable while they continued to save cap dollars and rebuild. Who were the great one year deal guys he missed out on? I didn't rip Hinkie for the one year deals either, I can't rip a GM for saving cap room.

I disagree with the Noel trade being bad. They got a superior player in return in Justin Anderson, plus a pick. How was that bad? Noel had no trade value. He's injury prone, is offensively inept, and a little cuckoo in the head with some weird habits and behaviors. He got maximum value for him. There is nothing I've seen to suggest he passed on some great deal for Noel. So, no, he didn't get **** all for Noel. He made a great trade. The Okafor trade was good, he got a nice player in Booker who has actually been good for us. Held onto him until he could get what he wanted. He didn't cave to public pressure and just waive him.

I LOVED and still LOVE the Fultz trade. He was my #1 player in the draft. You know that, I expressed my desire to have him for months. I will criticize him on how he handled the Pascecniks pick. Could have taken an NBA ready guy to play now, but didn't. Also he sold off 2nd rounders. If you wanna blame him fine.

But he also made two good Ilyasova trades. I think he's done a good job overall.

I disagree with a good job overall, why does our bench look like we are still tanking?? He had plenty of cap space to sign guys that helps. Bayless was a awful signing for 3 years?? Amir and JJ is costing us 34 million alone, that money could have been better spent on signing players that contributes.

Bayless was not an "awful" signing he only got 6 million per, it hasn't and won't be a hindrance. Not sure who else they could have signed for the money they gave Redick and Amir Johnson on one year deals. Not every player wants a one year deal. Most guys want long-term security. Who did he miss out on with a one year deal? Give me names. KCP is the only one I can thing of, and a) Redick has been better than KCP and b) KCP was a RFA when we signed Redick. It was later on that his RFA rights were rescinded and he became unrestricted.

[DaddyCool19]

Bayless was not an "awful" signing he only got 6 million per, it hasn't and won't be a hindrance. Not sure who else they could have signed for the money they gave Redick and Amir Johnson on one year deals. Not every player wants a one year deal. Most guys want long-term security. Who did he miss out on with a one year deal? Give me names. KCP is the only one I can thing of, and a) Redick has been better than KCP and b) KCP was a RFA when we signed Redick. It was later on that his RFA rights were rescinded and he became unrestricted.

Bayless signed a slightly frontloaded 3/27M deal. How is he making 6 M per year?

[JojoSlimbiid]

Apologies if I derail the thread and talk about Fultz a little bit but was he not at the game today? Maybe back in Kentucky for hopefully the last time before actually joining practice next week?

[KrazySixersD]

I'm calling it right now... when it hits 3 weeks from his last "3 week timeline" he will still not be back playing, and we will go through more PR BS

this team is on a downward spiral and a fast track to no where. What's worse about it this year is we aren't going to be bad enough for a top 5 pick, nor good enough for a playoff spot

we are going to slot somewhere between 9th and 14th which is the worst place to be

such is life as a sixer fan

[BigSleep333]

Apologies if I derail the thread and talk about Fultz a little bit but was he not at the game today? Maybe back in Kentucky for hopefully the last time before actually joining practice next week?

fultz was at the game, shimmy shaking on the bench

[the_process]

They need to announce Fultz is cleared for full practices and get him back out there. Time to sink or swim, he’s been declared fully healthy, bench is disgusting and he is needed. It’s not Tank!5.0, it’s a development year; and he’s not going to develop just doing drills in closed practices.

[KrazySixersD]

bro they have a whole nother week and a half for them to think about if they want him to show up at practice or not, relax!!!!!! We cant rush him back from being full health!

[Trippinskarlo]

Fultz doesn't even need to be a superstar. You guys have that covered. If he ends up as like a 18ppg combo guard with average D and 3 than ur all good. I still think this kid is legit. Idk anything about his injury but the kid can ball, period. Hard to see someone with his skill set not being a 20ppg guy and making at least an all-star game or 2.

[PhilasFinest]

I just want this kid on the court. Cmon Santa. Bring me a Christmas gift

[the_process]

bro they have a whole nother week and a half for them to think about if they want him to show up at practice or not, relax!!!!!! We cant rush him back from being full health!

Your sarcasm aside, I’m fine with giving Fultz the time to recover. He was hurt. But now it’s clearly hurting the team and he’s fully healthy according to The Collar.

[LloydFree]

Fultz doesn't even need to be a superstar. You guys have that covered. If he ends up as like a 18ppg combo guard with average D and 3 than ur all good. I still think this kid is legit. Idk anything about his injury but the kid can ball, period. Hard to see someone with his skill set not being a 20ppg guy and making at least an all-star game or 2.

That description sounds a bit like a Jrue Holiday type. I remember when we 'clowned' the Pelicans for trading 2 lottery picks to us, for that level player.

[Mik317]

no one clowned the Pelicans for that trade. Not at the time of the trade. They got a young allstar PG to go with their star. It only got bad after it was clear Jrue was kinda damaged goods.

[KrazySixersD]

And we got noel and mcw out of that.. jokes on us.. before the draft i said there were 2 players in that draft I absolutely despised... and we drafted both

Coulda had cj mccollum sigh

[KrazySixersD]

bro they have a whole nother week and a half for them to think about if they want him to show up at practice or not, relax!!!!!! We cant rush him back from being full health!

Your sarcasm aside, I’m fine with giving Fultz the time to recover. He was hurt. But now it’s clearly hurting the team and he’s fully healthy according to The Collar.

Thats the thing, team said he is healthy and symptom free.. yet NOTHING on if hes even practicing or what

Ive been a die hard fan of every team ive rooted for my entire life, gone thru years n years of awfulness, never abandoned ship cuz im a tru fan of all my teams, even if i bad mouth them when they deserve it.. but this sixers front office is legit pushing me away as I despise everything about them and how they have lied to fans and handled things

Not sure how much more I can take

[HartfordWhalers]

Lets keep this thread warning free for a week, and then all get ice cream sundays?