The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

eyeatoma · Post #681 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:21 pm

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/259081/Ben-Simmons-To-Undergo-Surgery-On-Knee-Not-Ruled-Out-For-Season

Best choice for his career. Sounds like his return is possible, but we'd probably have to make it to the conference finals which is highly unlikely without atleast his defense.

76ciology · Post #682 » by **76ciology** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:28 pm

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kuclas · Post #683 » by **kuclas** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 6:53 pm

76ciology wrote:

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Yup, doesn't take any stats to confirm what the eyeball test sees every game with Embiid and Simmons on the floor and Embiid in the post. I guess like others have stated, Simmons has to be in the dunkers position but that clogs up the lane for Embiid. Or Simmons on the perimeter is not a threat if he's the one feeding the ball into Embiid. It's not like he can beat a guy off the dribble in the half court set, he needs a head of steam to get going. That's why Simmons would be better off in a Houston type of environment that is fast flowing.

sixerswillrule · Post #684 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 7:45 pm

Well that sucks.

NYSixersFan · Post #685 » by **NYSixersFan** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 8:19 pm

Too bad for Ben, but we now have a better chance to advance...If Brett suddenly becomes a good coach

ivysixer2000 · Post #686 » by **ivysixer2000** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 10:25 pm

Well Ben haters, here's your chance. We win without him, what happens.

What if we get to the Finals without Ben? He's not needed against the Freak, but Middleton yes. We are in the Finals, what happens if we do that and Ben isn't back (which i think he should sit the season out).....what happens.

Negrodamus · Post #687 » by **Negrodamus** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 10:55 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2903702-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-cavs-believe-they-have-enticing-package-for-76ers

Here's a goofy rumor.

Sixersftw · Post #688 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 10:56 pm

ivysixer2000 wrote:Well Ben haters, here's your chance. We win without him, what happens.

What if we get to the Finals without Ben? He's not needed against the Freak, but Middleton yes. We are in the Finals, what happens if we do that and Ben isn't back (which i think he should sit the season out).....what happens.

Thats not a Ben hater situation that is just an assessment after an unlikely occurrence. It entirely depends on how we excel. If we look like the 2009 Magic and Embiid playing 4 around 1 is unstoppable due to the spacing, you may retool and part of that retooling could be moving Ben for a PG that can shoot. If we get there purely through an all world performance from Embiid and the offense looks largely unchanged otherwise, you keep things copacetic with the main components, including Ben, and look to move Horford and/or Josh to improve the fit.

Sixersftw · Post #689 » by **Sixersftw** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 11:00 pm

Negrodamus wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2903702-ben-simmons-trade-rumors-cavs-believe-they-have-enticing-package-for-76ers

Here's a goofy rumor.

I dont know if they have a combination of picks and players that I would move Simmons for. Like, if they gave us a Nets-Celtics package of picks I think I'd turn it down. I don't think that Simmons is untouchable but it would take a helluva package that I don't thing the Cavs can really offer.

kuclas · Post #690 » by **kuclas** » Sat Aug 8, 2020 11:57 pm

Sixersftw wrote:
ivysixer2000 wrote:Well Ben haters, here's your chance. We win without him, what happens.

What if we get to the Finals without Ben? He's not needed against the Freak, but Middleton yes. We are in the Finals, what happens if we do that and Ben isn't back (which i think he should sit the season out).....what happens.

Thats not a Ben hater situation that is just an assessment after an unlikely occurrence. It entirely depends on how we excel. If we look like the 2009 Magic and Embiid playing 4 around 1 is unstoppable due to the spacing, you may retool and part of that retooling could be moving Ben for a PG that can shoot. If we get there purely through an all world performance from Embiid and the offense looks largely unchanged otherwise, you keep things copacetic with the main components, including Ben, and look to move Horford and/or Josh to improve the fit.

2009 teams were shooting less 3s. Enables Dwight to be even more effective defensively than embiid will ever be in 2020

An in shape motivated embiid can probably take us to nba finals as well but embiid is never in shape. Anyone see the 3rd quarter at the 3.5 min mark left in 3rd quarter. Embiid was gassed. There was
No stoppage in play and embiid usually get substituted at the 5 min mark in the quarter. This was embiid actually playing and trying hard.

He can only sustain it for 8 minutes of intensity. That’s it. I feel this is one of the reasons he settles for outside shots. To conserve energy.

I’d like embiid to play in 5 min spurts like his rookie season. That’s where you saw him flying around. But the minute embiid leaves the floor. Sixers are doom. So it’s catch 22 situation

Realg2020 · Post #691 » by **Realg2020** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 2:35 am

I could be wrong but I actually think not having Simmonds could unlock Embiid and get him to average close to 40/20 a night especially against the weak Celtics front court. It could also improve spacing with someone off the bench that can shoot being inserted.

kio80 · Post #692 » by **kio80** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 4:21 am

If Embiid could hold up and play well consistently, Ben would be traded last off season.

I still think the 76ers let Ben played too soon, he just didn’t look right since he got back.

One thing I have learnt is that, the 76ers medical staffs cannot be trusted, and we have a very **** front office.
Whoever gets traded, Ben or Embiid, will shine and develop into a true superstar in another team.

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phillynative · Post #693 » by **phillynative** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 5:36 am

It will open us up offensively but defensively we croak. No one to guard any of the scoring wings, cant believe im saying this but maybe we should of kept ennis. Glenrob is injured and hes a ok defender.

76ciology · Post #694 » by **76ciology** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 6:06 am

Honestly...

How I feel is Ben can take us a notch further if he plays like how he played earlier this season. And i’m heavily rooting for him to play that way.

But if doesn’t play like how he played earlier this season, this team may go further with letting Burks (and hopefully Milton) play a bigger role on our offense.

I know not having Ben will hurt us on defense. But it’s not like Ben is locking people up. And we saw it recently with TJ warren.

Although I thought Ben has a very favorable match-up against the Celts and would play a really important role against then.

But after that.. Raps, Bucks or Lakers. I dont see Ben playing that big of a role. Specially with the Bucks playing a Giannis-Brolo zone defense in the paint that really hurts our offense whenever we have Ben on the floor.

We dont know whats gonna happen and I just hope we can give a good fight this bubble

Bum Adebayo · Post #695 » by **Bum Adebayo** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 9:29 am

At the end of the day, It doesn't really matter if Simmons holds Embiid back or not. The biggest issue has always been Brett, nothing we do will matter all that much unless we get a better coach, we would basically need to be a more talented version of the prime Warriors to win a title.

76ciology · Post #696 » by **76ciology** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:56 am

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76ciology · Post #697 » by **76ciology** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 11:56 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:At the end of the day, It doesn't really matter if Simmons holds Embiid back or not. The biggest issue has always been Brett, nothing we do will matter all that much unless we get a better coach, we would basically need to be a more talented version of the prime Warriors to win a title.

If you are the coach, what would you have done?

Eyeamok · Post #698 » by **Eyeamok** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 4:40 pm

NYSixersFan wrote:Too bad for Ben, but we now have a better chance to advance...If Brett suddenly becomes a good coach

I was going to laugh at this post. But upon reflection this forces Brett to do something different, hopefully, if he wants the team to advance and to still be around next season. So you might be right.

Eyeamok · Post #699 » by **Eyeamok** » Sun Aug 9, 2020 4:48 pm

After this surgery he basically will be back to rehabbing again. Good time to keep working on his shot. He would have had 3 off seasons to get better at the thing he is the worse at. The regular off season, the back surgery off season/Covid-19, and the knee rehab off season. Change can be slow. But it seems like the basketball gods are giving him the time he needs to work on his basics.

eagereyez · Post #700 » by **eagereyez** » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:20 pm

76ciology wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:At the end of the day, It doesn't really matter if Simmons holds Embiid back or not. The biggest issue has always been Brett, nothing we do will matter all that much unless we get a better coach, we would basically need to be a more talented version of the prime Warriors to win a title.

If you are the coach, what would you have done?

There isn't much a coach can do with Simmons and Embiid. Neither of them can close out games. Both of them are paint dominant. It is a really bad fit and a good GM would have nipped this experiment in the bud a few years ago. The people who want to run this experiment into the ground before calling it good are the same ones who wanted to wait and see with Noel and Okafor. If you want to get a good return in the NBA, then you gotta see things before everyone else. You gotta see that MCW is fools gold, that Harris is going to get massively overpaid, etc. As a GM, you need to have foresight and the Sixers haven't had that since 2016.