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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#681 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:31 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:Here they come, the injury excuses, it's always because he is injured that he plays bad, I guess it's similar to Nadal's "undefeated when healthy"!


There is always a way to get into shape if you really want to. For instance swimming is an excellent way to exercise every part of your body plus your wind. If he and did have plantar fasciitis, he could’ve been in the pool every day swimming laps to stay in shape. It’s a BS weak ass excuse in my humble opinion.

The bigger problem there is that it's you saying that while Doc Rivers defends Embiid. This is a team without leadership, from the coach on down.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#682 » by HHS43 » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:03 pm

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Bum Adebayo wrote:Here they come, the injury excuses, it's always because he is injured that he plays bad, I guess it's similar to Nadal's "undefeated when healthy"!


There is always a way to get into shape if you really want to. For instance swimming is an excellent way to exercise every part of your body plus your wind. If he and did have plantar fasciitis, he could’ve been in the pool every day swimming laps to stay in shape. It’s a BS weak ass excuse in my humble opinion.

The bigger problem there is that it's you saying that while Doc Rivers defends Embiid. This is a team without leadership, from the coach on down.


Concur - but you’d think the player would want to earn his money for him, And more importantly his teammates and the organization that pays him quite handsomely. I just don’t think he’s a winner. Put the Greek freak’s brain in Joel and he’d be the best player in the world.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#683 » by mjkvol » Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:54 pm

Kobblehead wrote:He's our franchise player and he's going to be in the hall of fame one day. At this point, just keep him until he retires. We just have to work around his lesser traits like his diminishing athleticism, his poor conditioning, and his low basketball IQ. We can overcome those things by putting a lot of youth and skill around him. Not old men.


Agree 100%. The idea of trading him is idiotic on its face.

In addition to youth and skill around him on the roster, an entirely fresh approach from a coaching perspective would be required as well.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#684 » by phillynative » Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:03 pm

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HardenGoat wrote:Embiid just might have to accept being 2/3 option more often than not. If the team gets into a Maxey and Harden tandem that’s going to cause defenses to double them. Doc needs to focus on that with plays involving screens, drives, and kick outs by those two. I can already see Harden is moving in that direction. He wants to win. Nothing more.. nothing less. Embiid might just be resisting this right now but his play is not getting it done. I give Harden about 10 games and if it continues he’s going to take over.


Lol just like he took over the last 2 games and still resulted in Losses. I get that you want to relieve the Houston Harden days but they're gone. Embiid MVP chances are likely gone as well. At the end of the day Harden or Embiid dominating a regular season doesnt scare anyone anymore because they have shown consistently to crumble in the playoffs. Its a new chapter the end game is a championship and the only way they win one is if both Harden and Embiid are on their A game on the same page. Them together being able to dominate is the only threat.

I completely agree, I don't believe for a minute Houston Harden is any way to win a chip and he doesn't either. What Iam talking about is a player adjusting when teams are denying him his cookies. And a coach that has another backup system to execute like a two guard attack with kickouts (yes similar to houston/suns). I think the personnel are there but they don't have a good screening system set up yet, they will though, this is a building team. What Harden failed at in the past was running into a dynastic warriors team and then having his hammy tear (and dealing with the flat earthling). If he plays at this level and they work the kinks out for the system, this team is going deep and can win it all. They weren't going anywhere without a healthy Harden though. I would plan on building a team system that lacks a healthy Embiid right now because that is how he is playing. Release Maxey!


And they aren't going anywhere without a healthy Embiid as well. I get what you and 76ciology are saying as far as having a backup plan just in case of Embiid injury or whatever but the truth is this teams ceiling is significantly lower without Biid A game with Harden.
On the plus side Harden looks good so far. Embiid will have to get in game shape and also adjust, just like everyone else has or had too.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#685 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:20 am

Here’s the thing.

We were a squad where we have Embiid being the anchor of our offense and defense. That when Embiid goes thru this type of scenarios (happens often in the biggest games), we have a back up plan.

This season we built a team that does not rely on him on defense, with a switch heavy scheme (i thank God for this) and with Maxey stepping up that Harden and Maxey can take the lead on offense when Embiid is absent.

And we saw that with that 13-0 run.

My request is… dont trade embiid but if he goes thru self destruct, put him at the dog house. Because he would be a bad morale and a bad example as a leader for the team out there.

We should be like a machine. Play at a high level for full 48. If someone is down of spiritually absent, next man up!
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#686 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:24 am

Whether to trade or not trade him..

Here’s the thing, even if you want to trade him, you wont get anything good in return. Except for a lot of picks.

and for what? For a team as talented as we have right now?

Objectively criticize the guy. He sucks this game, you tell it and not sugar coat it because of peer pressure
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#687 » by FireMorey » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:42 am

On the Sixers Beat podcast they mentioned Embiid said something in training camp about his thumb not feeling the same ever since the surgery. I never saw that quote before, does anyone here remember him saying that and can they find an article that gives more context to it?
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#688 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 22, 2022 4:48 am

FireMorey wrote:On the Sixers Beat podcast they mentioned Embiid said something in training camp about his thumb not feeling the same ever since the surgery. I never saw that quote before, does anyone here remember him saying that and can they find an article that gives more context to it?


The surgery was during offseason? I find that his shooting declined from 2020-2021 to 2021-2022. I like how he was on offense in 2020-2021
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#689 » by Lou_23 » Sat Oct 22, 2022 6:31 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Here they come, the injury excuses, it's always because he is injured that he plays bad, I guess it's similar to Nadal's "undefeated when healthy"!
Not true.

Embiid have zero problems to said he was terrible when he plays a bad game.
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Post#690 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Oct 22, 2022 12:18 pm

In 2019 Joel Embiid walked off the court crying forcefully after being beaten on a last-second shot by the Toronto Raptors in game seven of the second round of the playoffs.

In the following season this was his performance in his first time back at that arena:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201911250TOR.html

32 minutes, 0 for 11 shooting, 0 for 4 from three, 0 for 3 from the free throw line, five fouls, and zero points. To his credit he did grab 13 rebounds.

It's very difficult to make much meaning of a single instance of anything in the world, but when placed in a specific and highly meaningful context and given the overwhelming odds of its occurrence, such an ascription of meaning is indeed possible.

What are the odds that a player who averages 25+ points a game and who leaves the court crying after a game seven buzzer-beater, in his first visit back to that arena early the following season, would simply score zero points?

Now ask yourself this: what are the odds of that occurrence if indeed that player has the mettle of a champion? What are the odds that would occur for Kobe Bryant? Michael Jordan? Shaquille O'Neal? Even the likes of the much lesser Paul Pierce or a player of that ilk?

The missing ingredient for Embiid of course is the mettle of a champion.

That event was certainly noteworthy when it happened, but it has even more significance in hindsight. It's now become consistent with a longstanding body of behavior on his part that underscores the problem in even sharper relief.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#691 » by Sixercise » Sat Oct 22, 2022 1:43 pm

Almost MVP is a smart dude. He'll figure it out....honest to goodness, if he is our main problem to solve early on (aside from figuring out the bench), that's not the worst problem to have.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#692 » by eyeatoma » Sat Oct 22, 2022 9:12 pm

FireMorey wrote:On the Sixers Beat podcast they mentioned Embiid said something in training camp about his thumb not feeling the same ever since the surgery. I never saw that quote before, does anyone here remember him saying that and can they find an article that gives more context to it?
Yeah, it was mentioned in style some tweets and an article I don't recall which right after the first few days of camp. It's legit, he also had plantar fasciitis but apparently it's gone now.

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#693 » by Bum Adebayo » Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:21 am

Oh yeah injured but when it's against mediocre teams he suddenly puts better stats, how convenient this "injury"...
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#694 » by the_process » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:27 am

Harden’s disinterest in defense has spread to Joel.
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Post#695 » by eyeatoma » Sun Oct 23, 2022 1:56 am

Bum Adebayo wrote:Oh yeah injured but when it's against mediocre teams he suddenly puts better stats, how convenient this "injury"...
Dude you're incessant.

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Post#696 » by sweetlou23 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:30 pm

Embiid dominated offensively in the spurs game but the spurs center got the best of him when it mattered most.

"The veteran out of Utah was big against Joel Embiid in the fourth quarter. He had eight points and seven rebounds, five of them on the offensive glass, in the final 12 minutes alone and he ended any type of rally the Sixers had in them in this one."

“It’s just a matter of working hard, I think,” said Poeltl after the win for San Antonio. “Not giving up on the play, I knew the shot was going up, they were a little relaxed on defense, take advantage of that, getting good position, getting a good bounce, and putting it back in.”
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#697 » by 76ciology » Mon Oct 24, 2022 12:44 pm

sweetlou23 wrote:Embiid dominated offensively in the spurs game but the spurs center got the best of him when it mattered most.

"The veteran out of Utah was big against Joel Embiid in the fourth quarter. He had eight points and seven rebounds, five of them on the offensive glass, in the final 12 minutes alone and he ended any type of rally the Sixers had in them in this one."

“It’s just a matter of working hard, I think,” said Poeltl after the win for San Antonio. “Not giving up on the play, I knew the shot was going up, they were a little relaxed on defense, take advantage of that, getting good position, getting a good bounce, and putting it back in.”


We’re gonna get outrebounded unless we replaced Maxey with Melton or Tucker with Reed.

This is a structural issue
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#698 » by Mik317 » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:05 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Oh yeah injured but when it's against mediocre teams he suddenly puts better stats, how convenient this "injury"...
Dude you're incessant.

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Just ignore him.

You aren't missing anything from his posts at this stage.

This is his shtick this year it seems
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#699 » by eyeatoma » Mon Oct 24, 2022 1:20 pm

Mik317 wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Bum Adebayo wrote:Oh yeah injured but when it's against mediocre teams he suddenly puts better stats, how convenient this "injury"...
Dude you're incessant.

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Just ignore him.

You aren't missing anything from his posts at this stage.

This is his shtick this year it seems



It's been his schtick since he got here. First Ben, then Jo, then back and forth. Last year he let up a little but then started up again. The fact that he's still around here, and hasn't been banned has to be because the mods view him something like the court jester. No one takes him seriously.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#700 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Oct 24, 2022 2:37 pm

You can't say anything bad about Embiid here, as soon as you do the ban police appears.
Ok then, I don't want to be banned, I will support Embiid from now on.

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