The Tomjas Thread

[Negrodamus]

Wait, Brandon Twigram's shooting 45% from 3 on 5+ attempts while also averaging 5 assists per game???



Get him here NEOW

Not enough all star games. NEXT!

[DCasey91]

Yeah let the desperate fishes circle over a flawed product closer to do or die time. Induce a bidding war, take highest offer. Win win

Morey knows what he is doing . He loves extracting max value good or bad as the outcome.

Last year, Ingram, Lillard, Fox, Brown was a no go now it’s like well what do we know.

Remember fool’s gold can still look like gold to someone.

Yes Ben has crapped his own value but even still we are in a good position. Idea scenario was always to shutup and suit up, play well, get an All Star nod and get traded. Win for us and win for Ben. But that would be a logical approach which Ben and Ben’s camp isn’t accustom to.

Next ten games for all teams will be very very interesting.

[Tomjas]

Yeah let the desperate fishes circle over a flawed product closer to do or die time. Induce a bidding war, take highest offer. Win win

Morey knows what he is doing . He loves extracting max value good or bad as the outcome.

Last year, Ingram, Lillard, Fox, Brown was a no go now it’s like well what do we know.

Remember fool’s gold can still look like gold to someone.

Yes Ben has crapped his own value but even still we are in a good position. Idea scenario was always to shutup and suit up, play well, get an All Star nod and get traded. Win for us and win for Ben. But that would be a logical approach which Ben and Ben’s camp isn’t accustom to.

Next ten games for all teams will be very very interesting.

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

How exactly are the Sixers helping Simmons trade value by leaking stuff designed to make him look bad?

I think a likely scenario is that teams want to make sure that Simmons can play so Morey is trying to force Ben to do so

He won’t so emotions have taken over

That rarely works out for the best

[stormi]

Yeah let the desperate fishes circle over a flawed product closer to do or die time. Induce a bidding war, take highest offer. Win win

Morey knows what he is doing . He loves extracting max value good or bad as the outcome.

Last year, Ingram, Lillard, Fox, Brown was a no go now it’s like well what do we know.

Remember fool’s gold can still look like gold to someone.

Yes Ben has crapped his own value but even still we are in a good position. Idea scenario was always to shutup and suit up, play well, get an All Star nod and get traded. Win for us and win for Ben. But that would be a logical approach which Ben and Ben’s camp isn’t accustom to.

Next ten games for all teams will be very very interesting.

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

Bad example. That deal has Tilman Fertitta's fingerprints all over it.

He publicly declared Chris Paul's contract the worst he'd ever seen, and wanted it off his books.

Here's his quote shortly after the deal went down.

I was in Europe, and so I was six or seven hours ahead of them. So I’m talking at 2, 3, 4 in the morning. And we just decided to do it. They ran different statistics by me.

My basketball ops [operations] got maybe a little weak at the end, and I just said, ‘We’re doing this. We are going to make the change. We’re going to go after it and roll the dice. We’re going to find that 5 percent.’

The one thing I believe you do in business, and you do in basketball, is you never sit still. You always keep it exciting. Not only is it exciting that we’re a better team, but it’s exciting for the fans. I owe it to them to give them the best opportunity to win a championship every year.

Meme trade, green-lit by a meddling meme owner. Morey wouldn't ever in a million years make a move for a basketball cyst like Russell Westbrook.

[SparksFly87]

Kyrie ,Lilliard ,Beal maybe Lavine ...

But Ingram and Jaylen Brown ...


Needs datttt.

[DCasey91]

Yeah let the desperate fishes circle over a flawed product closer to do or die time. Induce a bidding war, take highest offer. Win win

Morey knows what he is doing . He loves extracting max value good or bad as the outcome.

Last year, Ingram, Lillard, Fox, Brown was a no go now it’s like well what do we know.

Remember fool’s gold can still look like gold to someone.

Yes Ben has crapped his own value but even still we are in a good position. Idea scenario was always to shutup and suit up, play well, get an All Star nod and get traded. Win for us and win for Ben. But that would be a logical approach which Ben and Ben’s camp isn’t accustom to.

Next ten games for all teams will be very very interesting.

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

How exactly are the Sixers helping Simmons trade value by leaking stuff designed to make him look bad?

I think a likely scenario is that teams want to make sure that Simmons can play so Morey is trying to force Ben to do so

He won’t so emotions have taken over

That rarely works out for the best

Tomjas take the sheets off over your eyes. Ben and Ben’s camp have done it to themselves. They got a nice dose of reality and can’t handle it.

Don’t strongarm a multi billion dollar organization, alienate the group and disrespect your peers that you’ve played with in quick succession in public.

Positive side it’s galvanized the group.

Why do you think Ben is getting fines and they haven’t kicked up a fuss about it? Because if it goes through the Sixers and the NBA he’ll get found out. The timing is bogus.

Ben has a fallout legal loop and aim straight at Rich Paul and there’s a fair chance of that happening. On a sinking boat it’s collateral and damage, damage control. If Noel is suing and Ben has a higher standing then watch out in the future.

Put two and two together not that hard. There’s a thing called fraudulence. Both sides are losing (no winners in war for laments terms) but Ben has zero leverage, it’s up to them to put down the charade and grown up.

Some point the buck stops with absurd over entitlement. A snake is a snake but keep biting it it’ll kill you and move on because it’s always more powerful in the end (Business over not a highest end individual because he doesn’t have authoritative power).

[Tomjas]

Yeah let the desperate fishes circle over a flawed product closer to do or die time. Induce a bidding war, take highest offer. Win win

Morey knows what he is doing . He loves extracting max value good or bad as the outcome.

Last year, Ingram, Lillard, Fox, Brown was a no go now it’s like well what do we know.

Remember fool’s gold can still look like gold to someone.

Yes Ben has crapped his own value but even still we are in a good position. Idea scenario was always to shutup and suit up, play well, get an All Star nod and get traded. Win for us and win for Ben. But that would be a logical approach which Ben and Ben’s camp isn’t accustom to.

Next ten games for all teams will be very very interesting.

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

How exactly are the Sixers helping Simmons trade value by leaking stuff designed to make him look bad?

I think a likely scenario is that teams want to make sure that Simmons can play so Morey is trying to force Ben to do so

He won’t so emotions have taken over

That rarely works out for the best

Tomjas take the sheets off over your eyes. Ben and Ben’s camp have done it to themselves. They got a nice dose of reality and can’t handle it.

Don’t strongarm a multi billion dollar organization, alienate the group and disrespect your peers that you’ve played with in quick succession in public.

Positive side it’s galvanized the group.

Why do you think Ben is getting fines and they haven’t kicked up a fuss about it? Because if it goes through the Sixers and the NBA he’ll get found out. The timing is bogus.

Ben has a fallout legal loop and aim straight at Rich Paul and there’s a fair chance of that happening. On a sinking boat it’s collateral and damage, damage control. If Noel is suing and Ben has a higher standing then watch out in the future.

Put two and two together not that hard. There’s a thing called fraudulence. Both sides are losing (no winners in war for laments terms) but Ben has zero leverage, it’s up to them to put down the charade and grown up.

Some point the buck stops with absurd over entitlement. A snake is a snake but keep biting it it’ll kill you and move on because it’s always more powerful in the end (Business over not a highest end individual because he doesn’t have authoritative power).

I have been the CEO of a much bigger organisation than the Sixers

If I had allowed a situation like this to develop then I would have been canned and I would have deserved it

The Sixers are imposing the biggest fines in history in an attempt to get someone to play for them

Can you not understand how absurd that is?

There’s no trust left and once that’s lost, it’s over and it’s been obvious for months

Simmons should have been traded before the draft and those assets used to acquire something else

That was the logical move

Instead, Morey is hoping that someone falls into his lap

“Hope” is not a business strategy

[zaz102]

Because he became an allstar in his second year while playing with an incredible cast. Was probably his best all around season. He then followed it up with a slightly worse season once Jimmy and Redick left, but maintained similar stats and made it on reputation. Last year was purely on reputation. All of this is null anyway: what matters is your ability in the playoffs. The Warriors aren't going to Draymond Green to produce some offense when the team goes cold in a playoff game. The Celtics, Pelicans, and Kings will go to their suggested stars for points. That can't be measured in all star games.

So teams gave Simmons a free all star pass due to his reputation whereas Brown and Ingram did not make it because they do not have the reputation. Yet these same teams would have no interest for trading for the player that has a better reputation with them? Not sure I follow.

I get that Ingram and Brown can be more of go to players, but they haven't exactly led their teams to much success. Bostons had some stacked teams as well. Ingram played with LeBron. They haven't been playing on crappy teams either.

Again, I don't think they are trading them now, but if Pelicans decide they need a change or Bostons in fighting continues leading to a collapse, I would certainly monitor those situations. Maybe Sixers throw is some extra incentive as well. Doesn't need to be one for one.

Well when you use a nebulous word like "teams", then it might be hard to get. The players, coaches, media members and fans, people who see "triple double" and get excited, vote for the player. The front office (ie the GM, analytics department, owners, etc) make personnel decisions.

So coaches are idiots and have no input on personnel and GMs are not idiots. Got it.

[DCasey91]

What’s absurd is falsifying information that can lead to a criminal record. That’s absurd

Which company were you the CEO if you don’t mind sharing? Much bigger would be 10+ Billion. (Why are you on a NBA forum then my guy get lit!)

[iconoclastism]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32559520/philadelphia-76ers-resume-fining-ben-simmons-sources-say

After what Daryl Morey did to Royce White why would Simmons trust the 76ers doctors. Ben is right in refusing evaluations by the 76ers doctors.

[the_process]

Morey has a proven track record of losing in situations like this (see Chris Paul)

How exactly are the Sixers helping Simmons trade value by leaking stuff designed to make him look bad?

I think a likely scenario is that teams want to make sure that Simmons can play so Morey is trying to force Ben to do so

He won’t so emotions have taken over

That rarely works out for the best

Tomjas take the sheets off over your eyes. Ben and Ben’s camp have done it to themselves. They got a nice dose of reality and can’t handle it.

Don’t strongarm a multi billion dollar organization, alienate the group and disrespect your peers that you’ve played with in quick succession in public.

Positive side it’s galvanized the group.

Why do you think Ben is getting fines and they haven’t kicked up a fuss about it? Because if it goes through the Sixers and the NBA he’ll get found out. The timing is bogus.

Ben has a fallout legal loop and aim straight at Rich Paul and there’s a fair chance of that happening. On a sinking boat it’s collateral and damage, damage control. If Noel is suing and Ben has a higher standing then watch out in the future.

Put two and two together not that hard. There’s a thing called fraudulence. Both sides are losing (no winners in war for laments terms) but Ben has zero leverage, it’s up to them to put down the charade and grown up.

Some point the buck stops with absurd over entitlement. A snake is a snake but keep biting it it’ll kill you and move on because it’s always more powerful in the end (Business over not a highest end individual because he doesn’t have authoritative power).

I have been the CEO of a much bigger organisation than the Sixers

If I had allowed a situation like this to develop then I would have been canned and I would have deserved it

The Sixers are imposing the biggest fines in history in an attempt to get someone to play for them

Can you not understand how absurd that is?

There’s no trust left and once that’s lost, it’s over and it’s been obvious for months

Simmons should have been traded before the draft and those assets used to acquire something else

That was the logical move

Instead, Morey is hoping that someone falls into his lap

“Hope” is not a business strategy

I actually agree with you on Morey. At least to the extent of he needs to set realistic goals, not pie in the sky BS.

But there's no way you are not either related to Ben or work for Klutch after listening to you for the past 6 months.

[Tomjas]

What’s absurd is falsifying information that can lead to a criminal record. That’s absurd

Which company were you the CEO if you don’t mind sharing? Much bigger would be 10+ Billion. (Why are you on a NBA forum then my guy get lit!)

Commercial operation of a ME royal - revenues and employee numbers dwarf Sixers

Spent nearly 10 years in the sandpit before deciding to bring kids up at home

How is Simmons doing anything illegal when he’s gone through Player’s Association for treatment?

[Mik317]

its not even about him seeing our docs tho.

You can't fine people for that. You can fine them for seemingly not showing proof that you are working on something tho. Ben's camp is apparently not even giving the team the bare minimum of "I have seen outside docs on this". As Kyle Newbeck stated "dude just trust me" is not good enough.

So yeah...fines are happening.

[Mik317]

and again I reiterate.

Even if the best deal was in the past (which as a person who loves the draft I think it was); moving Ben asap at this very moment does not benefit anyone except Ben. The big fear was that the team was going to fall apart on and off the court. Its early but that has not happened. So what is the rush? Oh the deals will get worse? Maybe but they also might get better. Thats not hope that is just how it goes. Teams are probably starting to get a feel of how things will go and thus some shake ups are on the way. That dec 15 deadline isn't so much about what we can get either but for others teams and contract matching purposes. We may not want say Doug McDermott but someone else might and can get involved to help trades go through. I think Morey's 4 more years thing is just him bluffing but IMO any trade we can do right now; can probably be done in a month or so...and again who knows what else may change for other teams by then. This idea that only Ben's value can get worse is just not how things go.

again I think Morey is overrated as hell in many regards...but until the trade is made..I don't see how you can get mad over it as a Sixer fan at this stage...unless you are only a Ben fan and are mad that he isn't getting his way or something weird like that. And you should be more mad at his team and their fumbling of the situation (not that the Sixers have played it perfect either); all they had to do is get an outside doc to sign off and keep collecting checks...doesn't sound like they are even doing that lol.

[FlyingArrow]

4 more years won't happen, but it could be two. Ben's trade value won't change all that much in that time.

[Tomjas]

Tomjas take the sheets off over your eyes. Ben and Ben’s camp have done it to themselves. They got a nice dose of reality and can’t handle it.

Don’t strongarm a multi billion dollar organization, alienate the group and disrespect your peers that you’ve played with in quick succession in public.

Positive side it’s galvanized the group.

Why do you think Ben is getting fines and they haven’t kicked up a fuss about it? Because if it goes through the Sixers and the NBA he’ll get found out. The timing is bogus.

Ben has a fallout legal loop and aim straight at Rich Paul and there’s a fair chance of that happening. On a sinking boat it’s collateral and damage, damage control. If Noel is suing and Ben has a higher standing then watch out in the future.

Put two and two together not that hard. There’s a thing called fraudulence. Both sides are losing (no winners in war for laments terms) but Ben has zero leverage, it’s up to them to put down the charade and grown up.

Some point the buck stops with absurd over entitlement. A snake is a snake but keep biting it it’ll kill you and move on because it’s always more powerful in the end (Business over not a highest end individual because he doesn’t have authoritative power).

I have been the CEO of a much bigger organisation than the Sixers

If I had allowed a situation like this to develop then I would have been canned and I would have deserved it

The Sixers are imposing the biggest fines in history in an attempt to get someone to play for them

Can you not understand how absurd that is?

There’s no trust left and once that’s lost, it’s over and it’s been obvious for months

Simmons should have been traded before the draft and those assets used to acquire something else

That was the logical move

Instead, Morey is hoping that someone falls into his lap

“Hope” is not a business strategy

I actually agree with you on Morey. At least to the extent of he needs to set realistic goals, not pie in the sky BS.

But there's no way you are not either related to Ben or work for Klutch after listening to you for the past 6 months.

lol

I haven’t defended Simmons

I have criticised the Sixers handling of the situation as the outcome was predictable to anyone that has played sports at even a half reasonable level

[Negrodamus]

So teams gave Simmons a free all star pass due to his reputation whereas Brown and Ingram did not make it because they do not have the reputation. Yet these same teams would have no interest for trading for the player that has a better reputation with them? Not sure I follow.

I get that Ingram and Brown can be more of go to players, but they haven't exactly led their teams to much success. Bostons had some stacked teams as well. Ingram played with LeBron. They haven't been playing on crappy teams either.

Again, I don't think they are trading them now, but if Pelicans decide they need a change or Bostons in fighting continues leading to a collapse, I would certainly monitor those situations. Maybe Sixers throw is some extra incentive as well. Doesn't need to be one for one.

Well when you use a nebulous word like "teams", then it might be hard to get. The players, coaches, media members and fans, people who see "triple double" and get excited, vote for the player. The front office (ie the GM, analytics department, owners, etc) make personnel decisions.

So coaches are idiots and have no input on personnel and GMs are not idiots. Got it.

Now you get it. Glad I can help.

[AaronB]

I have been the CEO of a much bigger organisation than the Sixers

If I had allowed a situation like this to develop then I would have been canned and I would have deserved it

The Sixers are imposing the biggest fines in history in an attempt to get someone to play for them

Can you not understand how absurd that is?

There’s no trust left and once that’s lost, it’s over and it’s been obvious for months

Simmons should have been traded before the draft and those assets used to acquire something else

That was the logical move

Instead, Morey is hoping that someone falls into his lap

“Hope” is not a business strategy

I actually agree with you on Morey. At least to the extent of he needs to set realistic goals, not pie in the sky BS.

But there's no way you are not either related to Ben or work for Klutch after listening to you for the past 6 months.

lol

I haven’t defended Simmons

I have criticised the Sixers handling of the situation as the outcome was predictable to anyone that has played sports at even a half reasonable level

I could not agree with you more. I have been saying for weeks that as soon as Simmons showed that he was willing to go "Scorched Earth" there was no good path forward for the 76ers.

I guess where we might disagree is that predicting that someone will go "scorched earth" is very difficult. I have never been successful in predicting it in advance, although I usually have to admit that there was every sign that I should have picked up on but did not.

From here on out the situation does not get better. I would concur with others here that there is a possibility that in Dec a new group of players might become available. However, who would want to part with someone who is performing at a high level for Simmons? Any GM who does that and Simmons proves even more fragile, the that GM will probably be fired immediately.

[Mik317]

it may not get better.

But I doubt it gets worse.

We can trade Ben for marginal players at any time.

Hell doing the trade right now doesn't make much sense from the current team standpoint. Lets see if our own probably marginal talents are more than that.

[Tomjas]

it may not get better.

But I doubt it gets worse.

We can trade Ben for marginal players at any time.

Hell doing the trade right now doesn't make much sense from the current team standpoint. Lets see if our own probably marginal talents are more than that.

It can always get worse

For example, what if Simmons were to suffer a serious injury before any trade is completed?

Team harmony could be impacted if they force him to play & that’s even assuming that he puts in anything like 100%

He’s going to be traded anyway so they should just send him home