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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#681 » by Arsenal » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:46 pm

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Arsenal wrote:That's the thing. I'm not giving up a 1st for a 1-way player like D'Lo who will get marginalized in high-leverage situations against teams like the Celtics, the teams we need to beat to win the title.

The Celtics got Derrick White for a 1st round pick. They got Malcolm Brogdon for a 1st round pick.

Those are the type of guys we need to target, someone who can complement our starters and not get played off the floor against top teams.


I mean, we already gave up a 1st for essentially a one way player in Melton. Yea, he has a history of being a 3&D, but he's not really a ballhandler nor is he a legitimate, consistent threat as a creator of offense.

I get what you're saying, but who are those guy on the market right now? I guess Brogdon is currently available, but he's an injury risk and already 31 years old.

Finally, what is it that we need? We have solid defensive players (Melton, Cov, Springer, Tobias, Embiid, Reed), we have our two stars (Maxey, Embiid), we have scorers (Tobi, Maxey, Embiid, Oubre), but we're lacking ballhandling creators. Maxey is doing a very good job of that, but he can't play the entire game. DLO is low key a top distributor in the league imo. He also fills a gap that we're struggling with, 3pt shooting.

I also think it's encouraging that DLO isn't trying to become a superstar anymore and has come to terms with being Derrick White: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Rwt3rAdELrM


Finding those guys is Morey's job, not mine. But the archetype is a good player on a bad team where if he is on a contender, maybe his shooting percentages and efficiency goes up because he gets better looks.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#682 » by Jailblazers7 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:57 pm

I wonder how much Spencer Dinwiddie would cost. He’s a big guard with playmaking chops that can play with the starters over Melton or play 6th man depending on need/matchup. He’s got WCF experience & accepts his role more than DLo.

Expiring contract that’d be perfectly sized for a Morris + pick trade.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#683 » by Arsenal » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:55 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:I wonder how much Spencer Dinwiddie would cost. He’s a big guard with playmaking chops that can play with the starters over Melton or play 6th man depending on need/matchup. He’s got WCF experience & accepts his role more than DLo.

Expiring contract that’d be perfectly sized for a Morris + pick trade.


He would be interesting. But it requires the Nets to be bad since they appear to be trying to contend and not tank.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#684 » by Ferry Avenue » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:08 pm

The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#685 » by Zumramania » Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:36 am

What do you make of us being the favorites to land the Bald mamba? But so many teams are interested, it is going to be a bidding war :/. Caruso is the best or second best defender in the NBA according to some rankings.

The Sixers are the favorites to land Alex Caruso, per @BovadaOfficial

- Philadelphia 76ers: +250
- Los Angeles Lakers: +300
- Milwaukee Bucks: +450
- Golden State Warriors: +450
- Dallas Mavericks: +650
- Los Angeles Clippers: +650
- Atlanta Hawks: +650
- Denver Nuggets: +800
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#686 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:04 pm

Alex Caruso's trade value is just too ridiculous right now. Let some other team pay the dumb price to get him.

Jevon Carter provides all the same traits, just in a shorter package. We're talking about a 15-20 mpg role, here, no need to go crazy and give up 2 or 3 picks for Caruso.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#687 » by GutUNC » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:10 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/


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Also, he's hurt.
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Post#688 » by Iscull » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:19 pm

I think the main guard options are Brogdon and Caruso. Caruso will be expensive.

Separately, we could look at Lowry, Ivey, or Schroeder if there respective teams are in a bad spot come the deadline.
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Post#689 » by zaz102 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:35 pm

Could Springer be the next BBall? Feels like a guy that works hard, is raw but can do enough to stay in the rotation. I hope Nurse keeps putting him out there to develop and if we lose some depth during the trade deadline, I could see us going on a Springer victory tour at some point down the road.
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Post#690 » by Kobblehead » Sat Nov 18, 2023 1:47 pm

I don't think this team needs to change the entire team dynamic by acquiring another big name offensive player to bring into the fold. In many ways, that would actually be detrimental.

I think we should just be looking to finetune some cogs.

Our 3rd G spot of 16 mpg is being played by Pat Bev right now. His physical attributes have waned due to age and he's shooting poorly. So there's an obvious area where an upgrade could be beneficial. Caruso is perfect for that role, but his name has too much juice right now so a fair trade isn't likely. That's where Jevon Carter would be perfect. His name is under the radar and yet he's providing the 3&D and secondary playmaking that we're looking for in that little 15-20 mpg role that we thought we were getting from Bev.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#691 » by Sixerscan » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:02 pm

zaz102 wrote:Could Springer be the next BBall? Feels like a guy that works hard, is raw but can do enough to stay in the rotation. I hope Nurse keeps putting him out there to develop and if we lose some depth during the trade deadline, I could see us going on a Springer victory tour at some point down the road.


Tough to figure out his role on this team that has so little ball handling, compared to Reed just playing center. He’s still so young to the point where he’s nearly a year behind a lot of guys in his class. If his shooting and ball handling come along a little bit and Maxey continues to do what Maxey does (get better) then it could be an interesting backcourt for stretches. Just not sure if it happens while he’s still on the team. Hes starting to look like he belongs on an NBA court at least. If he doesn’t work out here he could easily be a guy that continues to get better as he gets to his prime and people are wondering why they let him go.

Nurse is of course much more open to trying guys out, compared to Doc who wanted to roll with a set rotation from day 1, so hopefully he continues to progress.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#692 » by Ferry Avenue » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:19 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/


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Also, he's hurt.

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Post#693 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:20 pm

Iscull wrote:I think the main guard options are Brogdon and Caruso. Caruso will be expensive.

Separately, we could look at Lowry, Ivey, or Schroeder if there respective teams are in a bad spot come the deadline.


I kinda forgot about Lowry.

I don't think he's a trade target, but if the Heat use him as salary ballast in a deal to a rebuilding team, he'd be a great fit as a buy out guy, and one we'd actually have a shot at with all his ties to the team/area. Which I think was a discussion here during the Lillard/Heat days.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#694 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:27 pm

After the win against the Hawks...

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2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#695 » by Sixerscan » Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:37 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/


We don't do gifs here, but just picture the "throw up in mouth" meme right about here.


Also, he's hurt.

Your arch rival would very likely be your favorite teammate.

I would actually say it’s the opposite where fans of rival teams overrate the idea of Smart whereas Celtics fans last year were constantly complaining about him losing a step from injuries, costing them games with his dumb decisions and many didn’t want him finishing games by the end of the year.

If we’re just talking about him being a third guard I could talk myself into that, but I’m not giving up an unprotected pick for a 29 year old bench player on a contract that eats into their long term flexibility.

More immediately he’s out for about a month with a foot injury.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#696 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:08 pm

GutUNC wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/


We don't do gifs here, but just picture the "throw up in mouth" meme right about here.


Also, he's hurt.


Yeah I agree. What a horrible idea! I just don't see the appeal. The guy would get here and forget how to hit threes and then forget how to play defense. No thanks. Can't stand him as a player/person anyway. Awful!
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Post#697 » by Jailblazers7 » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:17 pm

Delon Wright feels like the easiest & cheapest option available. He’s got size, playmaking, and defends well. League average shooter who can be an upgrade for Pat Bev’s minutes.

He’d be a pretty seamless fit into our guard rotation & he’d be much cheaper than Caruso.
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Post#698 » by sixers hoops » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:24 pm

Zumramania wrote:What do you make of us being the favorites to land the Bald mamba? But so many teams are interested, it is going to be a bidding war :/. Caruso is the best or second best defender in the NBA according to some rankings.

The Sixers are the favorites to land Alex Caruso, per @BovadaOfficial

- Philadelphia 76ers: +250
- Los Angeles Lakers: +300
- Milwaukee Bucks: +450
- Golden State Warriors: +450
- Dallas Mavericks: +650
- Los Angeles Clippers: +650
- Atlanta Hawks: +650
- Denver Nuggets: +800


Those odds aren’t very valuable. I’ve been following those for years, and we never get the guy we have the best odds to get. At times, we were number one to get Lebron, Lillard, Beal, Lowry. The odds set based on public perception don’t really match a GMs likely intentions. Neverless, I check these worthless odds constantly because eventually we will actually get one of these players.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#699 » by Arsenal » Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:34 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Delon Wright feels like the easiest & cheapest option available. He’s got size, playmaking, and defends well. League average shooter who can be an upgrade for Pat Bev’s minutes.

He’d be a pretty seamless fit into our guard rotation & he’d be much cheaper than Caruso.


I agree when you factor in the cost to acquire, likely no more than a good 2nd rounder and a deadweight expiring, Wright is the best bang for the buck.

Marcus Morris + a couple 2nds for Delon Wright + Mike Muscala works in the trade checker plus gets us under the luxury tax line. If nothing better materializes that won't compromise our cap space, I'd be fine with this as our deadline deal.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#700 » by GutUNC » Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:30 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
GutUNC wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:The player to target is Marcus Smart. He instantaneously gives this team the heart and soul it's lacking.

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/11/16/nba-trade-rumors-philadelphia-76ers-memphis-grizzlies-marcus-smart-bold-proposal/


We don't do gifs here, but just picture the "throw up in mouth" meme right about here.


Also, he's hurt.

Your arch rival would very likely be your favorite teammate.


See also: Horford, Al
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