SixerFan1976 Offseason Thread (Update Pg 73)

PhilasFinest · Post #701 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 1:55 pm

I agree. I think if Turner is in a featured role like reke there pretty damn similar.

I'd probably pass but it's an interesting proposition.

Numb3rs · Post #702 » by **Numb3rs** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 1:57 pm

If Brand is going to amnestied you would think some sort of deal could be made for Jefferson or Okafor using a trade exception? If you're the new owner of the Hornets and you were just about to draft Anthony Davis you'd think you'd be OK tanking for a season to acquire another top prospect, but why pay Emeka Okafor $28Mil while you're doing so? A re-signed Hawes might not look to bad next to Davis, you would think that Hawes + #15 for Okafor + #10 would at least be a discussion. That would give:

Holiday
Beal/Lamb/Ross
Iguodala
Allen
Okafor

You'd have to think Okafor would give you more production than Brand at this point. Besides, it's nearly been 4 years since we acquired a big man coming off a season ending injury.

PhilasFinest · Post #703 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:04 pm

You really wanna pay okafor 28 million dollars over the next 2 years?

He's nowhere near the player he was a few years ago. He's been riddled with injuries, lost a lot of the athletic ability he had and would likely be a fixture on the bench in a suit.

All that to move up 5 spots? Ill pass 11times out of ten

Numb3rs · Post #704 » by **Numb3rs** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:10 pm

Acquirable big men who provide a decent defensive presence don't exactly grow on trees, or come cheap. But the same principle applies to Jefferson. Point is I don't think there is any point acquiring a big being paid over $10Mil unless you're keeping Iggy around and contending.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #705 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:11 pm

I like Okafor but i'll pass on that too. Only way I'm interested in Okafor is if New Orleans amnesties him and he signs here to come off the bench and provide stability.

I really don't want to see us trade Evan Turner just yet! I'm a Turner lover but damn! If he can't get better....Thats what will happen. I'm not sure why i'm the only one that seems to think that Turner really grew up a lot in these past playoffs! Lets give him another season.

Kobblehead · Post #706 » by **Kobblehead** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:21 pm

The absolute only positives to Tyreke Evans game is that he actually uses his big body to his advantage and he attacks the rim. Everything else about him embodies what a losing basketball player is.

PhilasFinest · Post #707 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 2:24 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I like Okafor but i'll pass on that too. Only way I'm interested in Okafor is if New Orleans amnesties him and he signs here to come off the bench and provide stability.

I really don't want to see us trade Evan Turner just yet! I'm a Turner lover but damn! If he can't get better....Thats what will happen. I'm not sure why i'm the only one that seems to think that Turner really grew up a lot in these past playoffs! Lets give him another season.

I agree

Cru Thik · Post #708 » by **Cru Thik** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 3:22 pm

I can't see trading Turner now when you really haven't given him a chance. If we had said from game 1 that Evan you are the starter and never screwed around with him that would be one thing. But the way they handled him this year going back and forth as a starter and bench player was horrible. You don't trade him now when you really have no idea how good he can or can't be.

SJSF · Post #709 » by **SJSF** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 3:36 pm

This is the first time in 4-5 years that we have a chance to get better fast. WE have a good young nucleus in Vucevic, Lavoy, JH, and ET. Thad coming off the bench. HAving Lou opt out and not resigning Hawes is a gift. If we can trade Iggy for Jeferson or Gasol. AMnesty Brand and then sign a good player. Maybe draft a nice sg/sf type player. This team will be good.

SJSF · Post #710 » by **SJSF** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 3:38 pm

Cru Thik wrote:I can't see trading Turner now when you really haven't given him a chance. If we had said from game 1 that Evan you are the starter and never screwed around with him that would be one thing. But the way they handled him this year going back and forth as a starter and bench player was horrible. You don't trade him now when you really have no idea how good he can or can't be.

Same crap happened to Jrue. This team is far from being a contender. But the coaches and managment think that winning half the games will energize this fan base . If you draft a player this high. Let him play 30 minutes a game and develop. Collins is already screwing up Vucevic. I mean is DC telling us that Vucevic isn't as good as Hawes?

P2K · Post #711 » by **P2K** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 5:40 pm

tk76 wrote:Tyreke is the far more explosive athlete while ET has better vision and has that freaky rebounding thing... but only in the defensive end.

So now we criticize Turner for not being a great offensive rebounder. Why don't we just put down Evan for not being a good power forward or center? He's isn't a great blocker, either.

Kobblehead wrote:The absolute only positives to Tyreke Evans game is that he actually uses his big body to his advantage and he attacks the rim. Everything else about him embodies what a losing basketball player is.

And you don't want Tyreke anywhere near Easton to be with his boys. Recipe for disaster. Another AI situation on this franchise's hands.

SixerFever215 · Post #712 » by **SixerFever215** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 5:44 pm

Its crazy how people still believe in Evan Turner his jumpshot is terrible, he hasn't got better in the last 2 years. He's dosent need 30 mins every game to get better he needs to be in the GYM shooting jumpers during the summer time.

P2K · Post #713 » by **P2K** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 6:09 pm

Then he can be the Ray Allen this team always wanted him to be

Ming · Post #714 » by **Ming** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 7:29 pm

SixerFever215 wrote:Its crazy how people still believe in Evan Turner his jumpshot is terrible, he hasn't got better in the last 2 years. He's dosent need 30 mins every game to get better he needs to be in the GYM shooting jumpers during the summer time.

Don't forget he just changed his shooting form last off-season. You can see he was not yet comfortable with his new form and sometimes reverted back to his old form. Jumpshot improves with repetition. Give him one more year and see how he does.

sweetlou23 · Post #715 » by **sweetlou23** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 7:43 pm

SJSF wrote:
Cru Thik wrote:I can't see trading Turner now when you really haven't given him a chance. If we had said from game 1 that Evan you are the starter and never screwed around with him that would be one thing. But the way they handled him this year going back and forth as a starter and bench player was horrible. You don't trade him now when you really have no idea how good he can or can't be.

Same crap happened to Jrue. This team is far from being a contender. But the coaches and managment think that winning half the games will energize this fan base . If you draft a player this high. Let him play 30 minutes a game and develop. Collins is already screwing up Vucevic. I mean is DC telling us that Vucevic isn't as good as Hawes?

How did the same thing happen to Jrue? He has been given the keys, he just has not developed as quickly as people would like,

ZarcMumoff · Post #716 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 8:15 pm

Tyreke is obviously a bit of a head case, but he plays for the f'n Kings. His teammates are DeMarcus "IMA SHOOTING GUARD" Cousins and Marcus "NEVER SEEN A SHOT THAT DONT LOOK GOOD" Thornton. I think if you put him in the right situation, he could really flourish and reach his potential.

That's probably not in Philly though.

Either way, I wouldn't be against trading ET for Tyreke (because as likely that tyreke isn't the answer, it's for certain ET isn't), but I wouldn't exactly shed a tear if the sixers said no to that deal. It's a risky move, and I don't think our brass has the gumption to do it. Not that you can really blame them.

Post #717 » by **Sixerscan** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 8:17 pm

I'm not sure if I like the idea of trading for Evans specifically (Bit of a **** head, high volume with limited return, not a great fit with Holiday and Iguodala, only one year left on his rookie deal). Of course, you can say a lot of those things about Turner as well, but it seems like if you're committed to trading Turner, it doesn't make much sense to trade him for a slightly different (if more talented) version of him.

That said, it's a good thing if they actually are committed to looking into Turner trades. I think he's hands down the guy that has the potential to have trade value that most exceeds his actual/potential value on the court.

Evan Turner averaged 32 minutes per game the last 41 games the 76ers played. In that time in general, and during the playoffs in particular, it became pretty clear to me that it is very likely that he doesn't have the talent level to ever be a great or even very good player. Best that we trade him before that "very likely" becomes a "certain."

Iguodala for Jefferson: No thank you
Turner and Thad for Jefferson: Now we're talking (And this comes from a huge Thad Young fan)

Mike Louch · Post #718 » by **Mike Louch** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 9:20 pm

Sixerscan wrote:I'm not sure if I like the idea of trading for Evans specifically (Bit of a **** head, high volume with limited return, not a great fit with Holiday and Iguodala, only one year left on his rookie deal). Of course, you can say a lot of those things about Turner as well, but it seems like if you're committed to trading Turner, it doesn't make much sense to trade him for a slightly different (if more talented) version of him.

That said, it's a good thing if they actually are committed to looking into Turner trades. I think he's hands down the guy that has the potential to have the trade value that most exceeds his actual/potential value on the court.

Evan Turner averaged 32 minutes per game the last 41 games the 76ers played. In that time in general, and during the playoffs in particular, it became pretty clear to me that it is very likely that he doesn't have the talent level to ever be a great or even very good player. Best that we trade him before that "very likely" becomes a "certain."

Iguodala for Jefferson: No thank you
Turner and Thad for Jefferson: Now we're talking (And this comes from a huge Thad Young fan)

I disagree. If teams are looking into aquiring Turner through trades its clear they see him as having the potential to be a very good player. How anyone can claim that Turner can't play after 1 season + a shortened season (out of position) makes little sense imo.

And I've liked Tyreke Evans ever since his days playing in Chester but the dude is a ballhog who plays little D, basically a high volume low efficient shooter/scorer. No way do i trade him for Turner. Sixers need a shooter/sniper to put next to Jrue and Turner/Iggy and Evans isnt nearly the answer.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #719 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 9:24 pm

I think if we are look ing to trade Turner it needs to happen as soon as possible. If that is the case I would like to see us take a shooting guard in this draft with our pick. S H O O T I N G GUARD a player who can shoot at that position like an Austin Rivers. I'm fine letting Lou walk, i'm fine trading Turner and Young for Al Jefferson and i'm fine going into the season with
Jrue Holiday
Austin Rivers/Jodie Meeks
Andre Iguodala
Elton Brand/Lavoy Allen
Al Jefferson/Nik Vucevic

I may be of the minority but I think Rivers is going to be a great guard in the league and I see him as someone who can come in and play right away.

KrazySixersD · Post #720 » by **KrazySixersD** » Sat Jun 9, 2012 10:11 pm

jeremy lamb is going to be a better shooting guard in the nba than austin rivers... much better size and i think his game translates better in the pros than rivers

no other guard shot a better % on true mid range jumpers in college than lamb

lamb is a rip hamilton clone almost but with better athleticism and length