would you trade okafor for celtics #3 pick?

[LongLiveHinkie]

The Celtics would trade the 3rd pick to Philly if they got Okafor and Saric.

There's the problem.

That's Ainge's problem though and not overly shocking based on some of the other lowball offers that I have heard in conjunction with him. The only reason I wouldn't hang up the phone immediately if that was Ainge's position would be because I was laughing too hard to get it back on the receiver. Obviously, everyone values their own guys more than others do, but does anyone really think that there is someone at #3 this year that would go higher than Okafor if he was in this draft? Seriously? I realize that Okafor has played one year of his rookie deal, but that's pretty little. My guess is that Colangelo will be skewered if he trades Okafor for anything less than the #3 and if he has to throw something in, he'll be crucified. It's questionable as is, let alone adding more.

Philly's position is well known though and they may be getting dinged because of it. If so, Colangelo has to remember that this team won 10 games last year and just try to be patient. I suppose there are guys at #3 or #4 that are intriguing, but you really don't want to get fleeced in an Okafor trade either. It's not as though Philly is making the playoffs next year anyway. Not to mention, if I'm selling Okafor at a discount, I certainly wouldn't ship him to Boston in that instance. Send him out West if you're going to take a haircut. Let Ainge figure out how to get a game changing big man on his own.

This is why I don't expect a Philly/Boston trade. Philly values Okafor more and Ainge values the 3rd pick more. No deal.

You sure you don't mean you value the 3rd pick more and not Ainge? Ainge was willing to part with it for Okafor at the deadline, why wouldn't he now?

Btw, Ainge is a douche FYI.

[Celts17Pride]

That's Ainge's problem though and not overly shocking based on some of the other lowball offers that I have heard in conjunction with him. The only reason I wouldn't hang up the phone immediately if that was Ainge's position would be because I was laughing too hard to get it back on the receiver. Obviously, everyone values their own guys more than others do, but does anyone really think that there is someone at #3 this year that would go higher than Okafor if he was in this draft? Seriously? I realize that Okafor has played one year of his rookie deal, but that's pretty little. My guess is that Colangelo will be skewered if he trades Okafor for anything less than the #3 and if he has to throw something in, he'll be crucified. It's questionable as is, let alone adding more.

Philly's position is well known though and they may be getting dinged because of it. If so, Colangelo has to remember that this team won 10 games last year and just try to be patient. I suppose there are guys at #3 or #4 that are intriguing, but you really don't want to get fleeced in an Okafor trade either. It's not as though Philly is making the playoffs next year anyway. Not to mention, if I'm selling Okafor at a discount, I certainly wouldn't ship him to Boston in that instance. Send him out West if you're going to take a haircut. Let Ainge figure out how to get a game changing big man on his own.

This is why I don't expect a Philly/Boston trade. Philly values Okafor more and Ainge values the 3rd pick more. No deal.

You sure you don't mean you value the 3rd pick more and not Ainge? Ainge was willing to part with it for Okafor at the deadline, why wouldn't he now?

Btw, Ainge is a douche FYI.

Ainge is not going to trade 3 for Okafor. You can't quote me on that.

[Gant]

let the celtics stay on their treadmill.

They're not on a treadmill.

Generally agree because they have resources and are in good shape cap wise. So this isn't like a NJ Nets situation.

However, they do need to add a star or two to their team. I don't believe they are going to be able to very easily. Their is not a star at 3 in this draft either.

Their roster...as currently constructed and without landing one of the superstars in FA, is treadmill worthy.

They have huge flexibility.
They have the 3rd pick in the draft, and extra picks this year.
They have the unrestricted Nets pick next year, with the Nets looking like the worst team in the league at this moment.
They have the unrestricted Nets pick in 2018.

(The Nets are paralyzed with no way to attract good free agents, and nothing to trade except Lopez and Young, which would make them worse for a few years.)

They have the Grizzlies pick after that, coming at a time when Memphis may be imploding. That means it looks like (possibly-probably) 4 external lottery picks while improving as a team.

They have a great coach, a dynamic system, stable ownership, and a smart respected GM.
They are capable of having enormous cap space (even relative to most other teams), can sign two max free agents, and can potentially turn picks into one star to lure another.

They have underpaid players, making them very tradable going forward.
As they have gained assets, they have improved on the floor.

So yeah they do lack a superstar. But nothing about them says they'll stay in place. They appear to be the opposite of "treadmill."

[Gsraider]

They're not on a treadmill.

Generally agree because they have resources and are in good shape cap wise. So this isn't like a NJ Nets situation.

However, they do need to add a star or two to their team. I don't believe they are going to be able to very easily. Their is not a star at 3 in this draft either.

Their roster...as currently constructed and without landing one of the superstars in FA, is treadmill worthy.

They have huge flexibility.
They have the 3rd pick in the draft, and extra picks this year.
They have the unrestricted Nets pick next year, with the Nets looking like the worst team in the league at this moment.
They have the unrestricted Nets pick in 2018.

(The Nets are paralyzed with no way to attract good free agents, and nothing to trade except Lopez and Young, which would make them worse for a few years.)

They have the Grizzlies pick after that, coming at a time when Memphis may be imploding. That means it looks like (possibly-probably) 4 external lottery picks while improving as a team.

They have a great coach, a dynamic system, stable ownership, and a smart respected GM.
They are capable of having enormous cap space (even relative to most other teams), can sign two max free agents, and can potentially turn picks into one star to lure another.

They have underpaid players, making them very tradable going forward.
As they have gained assets, they have improved on the floor.

So yeah they do lack a superstar. But nothing about them says they'll stay in place. They appear to be the opposite of "treadmill."

I agree with all of this and think the Celtics are in good shape for the most part. The picks are hit and miss though and out of their hands as we as Sixer fans know all too well. The only real question as it relates to this debate is if Ainge thinks whoever he can get at #3 (or in another trade) is worth more than Okafor. I know he'll try to short change the Sixers, but assuming Colangelo is a half ass GM himself, there's no reason to budge. In my opinion, there is absolutely no one in this draft at #3 that would be picked over Okafor if he was in the draft today. And, he may go #1 or #2. If this was Noel we were talking about, you would have the added variable of his rookie contract almost being done, but with Okafor, it's only entering year 2, so it should not be a factor.

So, if Ainge opts to hope to get lucky in FA or with the ping pong balls, I totally get that because Philly was/is on a similar course, but the Celtics do need more than just "good" players. Is there a big man on Boston's roster that Okafor wouldn't be significantly better than starting tomorrow or not make them better overall the moment he steps on the court? Can anyone make that claim with Bender or whomever else Boston takes in the draft? Doubt it. For me, I'm not sure I trade Okafor for the #3 pick as it is. Having to add more would be ludicrous.

[BobThornton]

Boston fan is willing to do #3 for Okafor + Saric.

That seems reasonable.

[LongLiveHinkie]

Instead of looking at it as the #3 pick, insert Murray or Dunn for Okafor and Saric. It's just ****ing ridiculous, sorry Boston fans.

and if you think Dragan Bender alone is going to be better than both of them, go ahead and think it, it's delusional. Most Sixers fans don't even want to do that deal anyway. Unless Ingram falls.

[BobThornton]

More Boston insanity.


"If the trade was straight up Avery Bradley for Butler it would be fair. That's not what is being proposed. It's the number #3 pick in the draft AND Bradley for Butler. That is an overpay. "

EDIT: Don't generalize entire fan bases.

[Gsraider]

More Boston insanity.


"If the trade was straight up Avery Bradley for Butler it would be fair. That's not what is being proposed. It's the number #3 pick in the draft AND Bradley for Butler. That is an overpay. "

EDIT: Don't generalize entire fan bases.

Yet when one Sixer writer mentioned Butler to Philly, it was Okafor, Covington, the #24 and the #26 picks to start the conversation. Avery Bradley straight up for Jimmy Butler? Wow. I'm not sure I would do that if I'm Chicago even with the 3rd pick, but I guess this is why fans don't make trades. It's just amazing to me how much guys are hyped prior to the draft and lose their luster one year later when being compared to a current pick. I just cannot imagine a GM taking Bender, Murray or Dunn over Okafor if he was in this draft.

[Arsenal]

Jahlil Okafor would go #2 in this draft without any doubt. Brandon Ingram is a nice prospect, but Okafor was MUCH more highly thought of.