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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#701 » by hookshot199 » Sat Oct 8, 2016 12:21 pm

sixers238 wrote:I've been pro Noel this whole time but I think it's best to part ways with him. It's unfortunate the way things have turned out with him bc looking back at the 2013 draft he was the best prospect and a steal at 6. I still think he can become something in this league but I don't know if it's with us. He wants to get paid now, and there hasn't been a peep about a contract extension. In fairness to Noel, he does deserve a starting gig with a real PG next to someone not named Jahlil Okafor. Even with Ish Smith, who we know is a below average starter, he thrived. The guy has been so deprived of any talent around him that he spoke of the necessity to re-sign ish smith. Poor guy knows nothing better. All that being said, it's going to be easier to trade him because teams are more certain of what they're going to get with him.

Okafor seems impossible to trade right now because his exact value is unknown. He can turn into a player at the level of anyone from Eddy Curry to Al Jefferson to Demarcus Cousins. The jury is still out whether you look at raw stats, advanced stats, or the plain old eye test.

I wish there were still hope to acquire CJM from POR but that ship seems to have sailed (if it ever even existed). As others have said, the only options that make any sense now are PHX/BOS and maybe a contender like GS/CLE but they can't realistically afford to keep him next summer.


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I agree with the poster who said ship Noel to the West. Re CJM, the reality is that signing him for $26.5 mil/year, one of the richest contracts in league (to date) history based on ONE good year, was extremely risky. On the other hand, he played four years in college. So you pretty much know what you get. And while his upside may be lower than some drafted ahead of him, he has less of a downside. For guards in particular, I believe you can get good quality if you're willing to go for three/four-year players - Kris Dunn, Buddy Held, others.

Re potential destinations, I'm sorry to sound like a broken record, but I still don't see what Boston has to offer since the Brooklyn picks - rightfully - are off the table. The ship sailed when they picked Brown rather than Dunn, who apparently BC coveted.

The Celtics aren't going to trade Crowder. Jaylen Brown, if he proves he can play, will be the next Andre Iguodala-type player. That's his upside - highlight film dunks, beast on defense, shoots bricks. Smart looks like the next Tony Allen. And Avery Johnson, until he signs his next contract, is a rental player. They've got nothing else of interest.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#702 » by spikeslovechild » Sat Oct 8, 2016 1:45 pm

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There certainly are a lot of indicators that he is going to be the one traded. I just hope that the right deal is made.

We don't need the perfect deal, but we need a good one.

To Boston for Smart or Bradley makes sense for both teams imo.



Neither makes sense. Smart can't shoot and Bradley will become an unrestricted free agent in June 2018, thus effectively you'd be trading Noel for a two-year rental player. I like Bradley, but why trade for him if you can bid on him in a couple of years.


You are right that Smart can't shoot, but he is one hell of a versatile perimeter defender, and we are horrible in that area. He would make a real difference to us immediately I think.

June of 2018 is nearly 2 years from now, and there is no reason to suspect that we would lose Bradley at that time, or that we could just sign him outright.

We need to do SOMETHING with Noel this year. I'm open to other ideas, but I'm not sure what is out there that would realistically be better than Smart or Bradley.


Trade him to the GSw for 2-3 first round picks. They desperately need a def big after losing bogut. They don't need offense from the position.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#703 » by rzzzzz » Sat Oct 8, 2016 3:33 pm

spikeslovechild wrote:Trade him to the GSw for 2-3 first round picks. They desperately need a def big after losing bogut. They don't need offense from the position.


I want the package to include McCaw. they just stole him in the second round, and the kid looks like he can do anything.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#704 » by 76thBearCub » Sat Oct 8, 2016 3:51 pm

No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#705 » by ankle420breaker » Sat Oct 8, 2016 4:27 pm

Wonder if Noel's groin injury will keep him out from tonight's game

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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#706 » by hookshot199 » Sat Oct 8, 2016 4:33 pm

76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Agree. If we're going to give him away, then give him to Brooklyn for their 2020 pick (top-5 protected).
Maybe try to get Hollis-Jefferson in the process.

I doubt that Brooklyn will be better than the middle of the pack by 2020, thus a better pick than anything
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#707 » by 76ciology » Sat Oct 8, 2016 4:52 pm

ankle420breaker wrote:Wonder if Noel's groin injury will keep him out from tonight's game

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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#708 » by Gsraider » Sat Oct 8, 2016 5:47 pm

76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#709 » by blazeyo » Sat Oct 8, 2016 6:35 pm

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76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.


Why would GSW take him? for a 1 year rental?
I mean, they can not sign him next year, they have no cap space and they need to sign Curry aswell.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#710 » by Lou_23 » Sat Oct 8, 2016 6:59 pm

No way Brooklyn (now with Marks) would trade his picks.

He is a FA, if they want him they can go after him next summer.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#711 » by Gsraider » Sat Oct 8, 2016 7:28 pm

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76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.


Why would GSW take him? for a 1 year rental?
I mean, they can not sign him next year, they have no cap space and they need to sign Curry aswell.


Actually, this would be an easy way to acquire him while he's still on his rookie contract. Then, they would have his "Bird" rights to pay market price to keep him as a FA. They couldn't compete as a typical FA.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#712 » by blazeyo » Sat Oct 8, 2016 7:32 pm

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Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.


Why would GSW take him? for a 1 year rental?
I mean, they can not sign him next year, they have no cap space and they need to sign Curry aswell.


Actually, this would be an easy way to acquire him while he's still on his rookie contract. Then, they would have his "Bird" rights to pay market price to keep him as a FA. They couldn't compete as a typical FA.


Doesnt matter, ofcourse they are going to be able to sign him but are they willing to? they will be so far above the luxury tax and they don't even need Nerlens to be over the top, they are already above the rest so paying that much doesn't seem like a smart decision.
Then you have to factor signing Durant next year and then signing Curry to a super max contract..

I mean Cleveland didn't re sign Dellavedova for a bargain price and they have a really generous owner.
Nerlens best fit is Cleveland but I don't think they have the assets
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#713 » by 76thBearCub » Sat Oct 8, 2016 10:35 pm

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76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.


If Im going to trade him for a couple crappy picks Id trade him to a team that didn't just set the wins record. Even if they can't afford to keep him.
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Post#714 » by 76ciology » Sun Oct 9, 2016 2:36 am

I wonder if teams will give us better offers for Holmes given he's got better contract and better on offense.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#715 » by spikeslovechild » Sun Oct 9, 2016 2:48 am

76thBearCub wrote:
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76thBearCub wrote:No way would I gift wrap Noel to GS.


Why not? It's not a though Philly will be competing with GS for a few years anyway. If GS were to offer up a couple of #1's as the poster suggested and that's about as good as you can get, it at least gives you some return while shipping him far away from the Eastern Conference. He would probably also seriously consider re-upping in GS and keep him far away for a long time. Hey, if the offers are mid level guys or a little above that with someone like M. Smart, I'll take the late first rounders and ship him to the other conference. It would be a boon for GS, but that may be what we are looking at right now. Noel is doing himself and the Sixers no favors at the moment, although this type of move would work out extremely well for him.


If Im going to trade him for a couple crappy picks Id trade him to a team that didn't just set the wins record. Even if they can't afford to keep him.


That will be taken into account with the trade. We might be able to get a package like Looney plus two first rounders. I'd take it over a Knight or a player like Bradly or Olynyk.

It's not my first option I'd love to do one of the deals I mentioned earlier but I think we sort of have to come to realization that if they were out there we would have done them already. i don't think we can go too far into this season not only from a chemistry standpoint but also because he is a RFA he is a diminishing asset. He also has the potential to go down via injury. It's time to take the best offer and move on.

It's too bad BC couldn't do a deal around the draft. Take a look at what ORL gave up. The time to move him was then. Unfortunately, we didn't get it done.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#716 » by OleSchool » Sun Oct 9, 2016 4:32 am

76ciology wrote:I wonder if teams will give us better offers for Holmes given he's got better contract and better on offense.


I doubt any team would give us a better offer for Holmes but, why not just keep Holmes? Won't cost as much, gives us way more on the offensive end, although we will lose some on the defensive end
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Post#717 » by 76ciology » Sun Oct 9, 2016 4:40 am

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76ciology wrote:I wonder if teams will give us better offers for Holmes given he's got better contract and better on offense.


I doubt any team would give us a better offer for Holmes but, why not just keep Holmes? Won't cost as much, gives us way more on the offensive end, although we will lose some on the defensive end


It's under the line of thinking where we decide whom to trade between jah/Noel depending on who gets the better trade offer.
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Post#718 » by Gsraider » Sun Oct 9, 2016 4:43 am

blazeyo wrote:Doesnt matter, ofcourse they are going to be able to sign him but are they willing to? they will be so far above the luxury tax and they don't even need Nerlens to be over the top, they are already above the rest so paying that much doesn't seem like a smart decision. Then you have to factor signing Durant next year and then signing Curry to a super max contract..

I mean Cleveland didn't re sign Dellavedova for a bargain price and they have a really generous owner.
Nerlens best fit is Cleveland but I don't think they have the assets


Are you seriously comparing the decision to not sign an average role player like Delladova to a team making a decision on whether or not to re-sign a player like Noel? Regardless, to your original point, the Warriors have Curry and Durant (28 each) and Thompson and Green (26 each) entering the absolute prime of their careers. If you add a guy like Noel, you could add an athletic defensive piece for them at a reasonable price for the next 2 years I believe and a potential defensive stalwart. Yes, they would have to pay luxury taxes, but I think they do that without reservation for the merchandise sales, playoff gate, etc.

In the end, I'm not advocating a move to GS and I certainly wouldn't want to help them get any better, but if you are determined to move Noel and you're not being offered much in return, I'd rather take that discounted return from a team out West than hand him to the Celtics or Raptors, who they'll be dealing with for years to come. Same with the Cavs.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#719 » by Sixerscan » Sun Oct 9, 2016 5:05 am

Golden States owes their pick to Utah this year and so the earliest pick they can trade is 2019. No thanks.
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Re: Where is Nerlens? 

Post#720 » by OleSchool » Sun Oct 9, 2016 5:22 am

76ciology wrote:
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76ciology wrote:I wonder if teams will give us better offers for Holmes given he's got better contract and better on offense.


I doubt any team would give us a better offer for Holmes but, why not just keep Holmes? Won't cost as much, gives us way more on the offensive end, although we will lose some on the defensive end


It's under the line of thinking where we decide whom to trade between jah/Noel depending on who gets the better trade offer.


Well truthfully I think Noel, okafor, and either Simmons or Saric will have to be traded. Too many rundant pieces. Unless Saric will accept a bench roll
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