Fantasy Trade Thread

[the_process]

ATL gets Paul, Tobias, Dan House, 26 OKC 1st, 26 GSW 1st, 26 ATL 2nd returned, 28 LAC 1st, 29 PHI 1st w/LAC swap
GSW gets Capela, Hunter, and Korkmaz
PHI gets Murray, Mills, and Wiggins

Maxey can play both off ball with Murray and on ball when Murray sits.

Murray/Mills/Beverley
Maxey/Melton/Springer
Wiggins/Oubre/Martin
Batum/Covington/Morris
Embiid/Reed/Bamba

[youngcrev]

If the Warriors would do that, I think I'd just stop there. Not giving up 2 1sts for Grant on that contract.

Bingo.

After the next round of max contracts are given out this off-season Grant’s contract will look reasonable and fair

I don't know that that's true given how prohibitive some of the new cap rules are. The Jerami Grant types may be the guys that actually see less.

[PhillyFan11]

Bingo.

After the next round of max contracts are given out this off-season Grant’s contract will look reasonable and fair

I don't know that that's true given how prohibitive some of the new cap rules are. The Jerami Grant types may be the guys that actually see less.

Agree to disagree. We all know there will continue to be teams with max slots open and they usually get filled by whatever marginal all-stars that are available (like Grant)…except next year those guys are going to be getting $150M. And it will only continue to go up.

The biggest hangup for Grant is his player option in ‘27/‘28. That honestly could hurt. But I think $61.7M is pretty close to fair value for him in 24/25 and 25/26, but not being able to dump him as a true expiring after that could be prohibitive

[youngcrev]

After the next round of max contracts are given out this off-season Grant’s contract will look reasonable and fair

I don't know that that's true given how prohibitive some of the new cap rules are. The Jerami Grant types may be the guys that actually see less.

Agree to disagree. We all know there will continue to be teams with max slots open and they usually get filled by whatever marginal all-stars that are available (like Grant)…except next year those guys are going to be getting $150M. And it will only continue to go up.

The biggest hangup for Grant is his player option in ‘27/‘28. That honestly could hurt. But I think $61.7M is pretty close to fair value for him in 24/25 and 25/26, but not being able to dump him as a true expiring after that could be prohibitive

Sure, there will always be bad contracts given out, particularly by bad teams. But for a team that's actually trying to win, paying a guy that much to be what would ideally be your 4th best player could be problematic in working around the tax.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Starting to warm up to the idea of Grant...Bouncy, springy, athletic combo forward who can get buckets and play defense. It'll cost us, but I wont cry if we end up with him.

[LeonJordanJr24]

Tobias reroute,Springer,KJ Martin,korkmaz and picks for Brogdan and Grant.

Embiid/ Reed / Bamba
Grant/ Covington / Morris
Batum/ Oubre / House
Melton/ Bev
Maxey / Brogdan

[the_process]

ATL gets Siakam and Springer
PHI gets Murray and Hunter
TOR gets Harris, 24 SAC 1st, and 26 OKC 1st

[Kolkmania]

Is there a reason Murray is being shopped? I get the intrigue of him, but he'd have to go back to SAS days to be worth making a trade for him since he's clearly not solving any defensive issues the Hawks have. Is his offense that good to where he can run the show whenever Maxey or Embiid are out and give us a decent chance at winning?

As said, the trade has not moved them in the right direction. Trading Murray is the quickest way to gain assets again in order to reconstruct their roster. He has also recently removed all Atlanta Hawks references on his IG and there have been multiple reports that the Hawks are possibly exploring trade options.

Hawks offense has been actually a little bit better when Murray is on the court and Trae is off. And obviously he was excellent in his final year in San Antonio when he was running the show, so I think he's certainly capable of running an unit when both Maxey and Embiid are on the bench.
His added value next to Embiid and Maxey worries me a little bit, but his point of attack defense, okay-ish 3PAr and obviously playmaking skills when Embiid or Maxey has created a advantageous situation should make him a sizeable upgrade compared to Melton.

Ideally you'd want someone who's a couple of inches bigger and has a quicker trigger/more efficient three point shot. But those guys are almost never available. And even if someone like Paul George is somehow open to move to the Sixers you have other question marks with his age and related contract and health issues.

Given Murray's age and contract I think he's a relatively high upside play with minimal risk since his contract will be a plus until 2027.

[youngcrev]

Is there a reason Murray is being shopped? I get the intrigue of him, but he'd have to go back to SAS days to be worth making a trade for him since he's clearly not solving any defensive issues the Hawks have. Is his offense that good to where he can run the show whenever Maxey or Embiid are out and give us a decent chance at winning?

As said, the trade has not moved them in the right direction. Trading Murray is the quickest way to gain assets again in order to reconstruct their roster. He has also recently removed all Atlanta Hawks references on his IG and there have been multiple reports that the Hawks are possibly exploring trade options.

Hawks offense has been actually a little bit better when Murray is on the court and Trae is off. And obviously he was excellent in his final year in San Antonio when he was running the show, so I think he's certainly capable of running an unit when both Maxey and Embiid are on the bench.
His added value next to Embiid and Maxey worries me a little bit, but his point of attack defense, okay-ish 3PAr and obviously playmaking skills when Embiid or Maxey has created a advantageous situation should make him a sizeable upgrade compared to Melton.

Ideally you'd want someone who's a couple of inches bigger and has a quicker trigger/more efficient three point shot. But those guys are almost never available. And even if someone like Paul George is somehow open to move to the Sixers you have other question marks with his age and related contract and health issues.

Given Murray's age and contract I think he's a relatively high upside play with minimal risk since his contract will be a plus until 2027.

I like Murray's all around game. I like the age. I like that he's locked up.

...I just don't know that you can invest in a small guard (he's long, but too skinny on the wing) that's a poor off ball threat as your 3rd guy next to Embiid/Maxey.

Obviously he'd provide a major playmaking/self creation boost vs what Melton gives you, but he's at best a wash defensively, and a much worse catch and shoot threat.

You could sell me on it, particularly if the price was right, but my knee jerk reaction is it's a bad idea. Like, if it's something like Morris/Furk and a pick or 2, and you're not losing anything from your rotation...? I dunno, depends on what else is on the table.

[JRoy]

Tobias reroute,Springer,KJ Martin,korkmaz and picks for Brogdan and Grant.

Embiid/ Reed / Bamba
Grant/ Covington / Morris
Batum/ Oubre / House
Melton/ Bev
Maxey / Brogdan

The picks would be the only thing POR would value in that package. Which picks?

[Negrodamus]

Is there a reason Murray is being shopped? I get the intrigue of him, but he'd have to go back to SAS days to be worth making a trade for him since he's clearly not solving any defensive issues the Hawks have. Is his offense that good to where he can run the show whenever Maxey or Embiid are out and give us a decent chance at winning?

As said, the trade has not moved them in the right direction. Trading Murray is the quickest way to gain assets again in order to reconstruct their roster. He has also recently removed all Atlanta Hawks references on his IG and there have been multiple reports that the Hawks are possibly exploring trade options.

Hawks offense has been actually a little bit better when Murray is on the court and Trae is off. And obviously he was excellent in his final year in San Antonio when he was running the show, so I think he's certainly capable of running an unit when both Maxey and Embiid are on the bench.
His added value next to Embiid and Maxey worries me a little bit, but his point of attack defense, okay-ish 3PAr and obviously playmaking skills when Embiid or Maxey has created a advantageous situation should make him a sizeable upgrade compared to Melton.

Ideally you'd want someone who's a couple of inches bigger and has a quicker trigger/more efficient three point shot. But those guys are almost never available. And even if someone like Paul George is somehow open to move to the Sixers you have other question marks with his age and related contract and health issues.

Given Murray's age and contract I think he's a relatively high upside play with minimal risk since his contract will be a plus until 2027.

I like Murray's all around game. I like the age. I like that he's locked up.

...I just don't know that you can invest in a small guard (he's long, but too skinny on the wing) that's a poor off ball threat as your 3rd guy next to Embiid/Maxey.

Obviously he'd provide a major playmaking/self creation boost vs what Melton gives you, but he's at best a wash defensively, and a much worse catch and shoot threat.

You could sell me on it, particularly if the price was right, but my knee jerk reaction is it's a bad idea. Like, if it's something like Morris/Furk and a pick or 2, and you're not losing anything from your rotation...? I dunno, depends on what else is on the table.

I think we'd have to still move on from Tobias if we're getting Murray. We have quite a bit of data showing Tobias sucks as a C&S PF, so adding another on-ball player who mostly operates inside the perimeter is going to be an issue.

[youngcrev]

As said, the trade has not moved them in the right direction. Trading Murray is the quickest way to gain assets again in order to reconstruct their roster. He has also recently removed all Atlanta Hawks references on his IG and there have been multiple reports that the Hawks are possibly exploring trade options.

Hawks offense has been actually a little bit better when Murray is on the court and Trae is off. And obviously he was excellent in his final year in San Antonio when he was running the show, so I think he's certainly capable of running an unit when both Maxey and Embiid are on the bench.
His added value next to Embiid and Maxey worries me a little bit, but his point of attack defense, okay-ish 3PAr and obviously playmaking skills when Embiid or Maxey has created a advantageous situation should make him a sizeable upgrade compared to Melton.

Ideally you'd want someone who's a couple of inches bigger and has a quicker trigger/more efficient three point shot. But those guys are almost never available. And even if someone like Paul George is somehow open to move to the Sixers you have other question marks with his age and related contract and health issues.

Given Murray's age and contract I think he's a relatively high upside play with minimal risk since his contract will be a plus until 2027.

I like Murray's all around game. I like the age. I like that he's locked up.

...I just don't know that you can invest in a small guard (he's long, but too skinny on the wing) that's a poor off ball threat as your 3rd guy next to Embiid/Maxey.

Obviously he'd provide a major playmaking/self creation boost vs what Melton gives you, but he's at best a wash defensively, and a much worse catch and shoot threat.

You could sell me on it, particularly if the price was right, but my knee jerk reaction is it's a bad idea. Like, if it's something like Morris/Furk and a pick or 2, and you're not losing anything from your rotation...? I dunno, depends on what else is on the table.

I think we'd have to still move on from Tobias if we're getting Murray. We have quite a bit of data showing Tobias sucks as a C&S PF, so adding another on-ball player who mostly operates inside the perimeter is going to be an issue.

Yeah, probably true. It's kinda annoying since Tobias is a more than capable shooter, but he's been here long enough to know he's not making the adjustment. Dude needs like a shock collar that zaps him anytime he passes up an open C&S 3.

Which circles back to... Do we really want to invest in a guy that's meh fit 2 stars and requires further changes to the lineup?

I guess if it's some type of deal that lands Murray and Hunter you're making improvements on both ends of the floor. I just have a hard time seeing us being the high bidder on that package.

[Negrodamus]

I like Murray's all around game. I like the age. I like that he's locked up.

...I just don't know that you can invest in a small guard (he's long, but too skinny on the wing) that's a poor off ball threat as your 3rd guy next to Embiid/Maxey.

Obviously he'd provide a major playmaking/self creation boost vs what Melton gives you, but he's at best a wash defensively, and a much worse catch and shoot threat.

You could sell me on it, particularly if the price was right, but my knee jerk reaction is it's a bad idea. Like, if it's something like Morris/Furk and a pick or 2, and you're not losing anything from your rotation...? I dunno, depends on what else is on the table.

I think we'd have to still move on from Tobias if we're getting Murray. We have quite a bit of data showing Tobias sucks as a C&S PF, so adding another on-ball player who mostly operates inside the perimeter is going to be an issue.

Yeah, probably true. It's kinda annoying since Tobias is a more than capable shooter, but he's been here long enough to know he's not making the adjustment. Dude needs like a shock collar that zaps him anytime he passes up an open C&S 3.

Which circles back to... Do we really want to invest in a guy that's meh fit 2 stars and requires further changes to the lineup?

I guess if it's some type of deal that lands Murray and Hunter you're making improvements on both ends of the floor. I just have a hard time seeing us being the high bidder on that package.

On top of that, we're making a move to get a guard who will need the ball in his hands a significant amount in the middle of the season. I imagine that will completely screw with the flow of the offense.

[ProcessDoctor]

Starting to believe acquiring Lauri would make us a dynasty with this core and coach. Really hope we win the Lauri sweepstakes.

[Jailblazers7]

Starting to believe acquiring Lauri would make us a dynasty with this core and coach. Really hope we win the Lauri sweepstakes.

Ok let’s not get carried away lol

I think the only trades I’m interested in are a Lauri deal or a Murray deal assuming his price is really low

[ProcessDoctor]

Starting to believe acquiring Lauri would make us a dynasty with this core and coach. Really hope we win the Lauri sweepstakes.

Ok let’s not get carried away lol

I think the only trades I’m interested in are a Lauri deal or a Murray deal assuming his price is really low

Lol I'm drinking the Kool-Aid. Three top-30 players and a top coach for the next 4-5 years? In a wide-open NBA, that could equate to multiple chips.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Yeah, I'm with Process Dr on the Lauri trade idea. We'd be unstoppable. Our size on the floor would overwhelm the majority of teams in this league. Three players that consistently require double teams, sign me up. Only problem with the whole idea is Danny Ainge.

[the_process]

Starting to believe acquiring Lauri would make us a dynasty with this core and coach. Really hope we win the Lauri sweepstakes.

You're gonna have to wait until draft night to see if that's the guy you want

Ainge wants all the firsts.

Five 1sts is a lot to give; but Lauri is near All-NBA, would fit unbelievably well, and still leave something damn close to max cap room open.

[M2J]

Is there a reason Murray is being shopped? I get the intrigue of him, but he'd have to go back to SAS days to be worth making a trade for him since he's clearly not solving any defensive issues the Hawks have. Is his offense that good to where he can run the show whenever Maxey or Embiid are out and give us a decent chance at winning?

As said, the trade has not moved them in the right direction. Trading Murray is the quickest way to gain assets again in order to reconstruct their roster. He has also recently removed all Atlanta Hawks references on his IG and there have been multiple reports that the Hawks are possibly exploring trade options.

Hawks offense has been actually a little bit better when Murray is on the court and Trae is off. And obviously he was excellent in his final year in San Antonio when he was running the show, so I think he's certainly capable of running an unit when both Maxey and Embiid are on the bench.
His added value next to Embiid and Maxey worries me a little bit, but his point of attack defense, okay-ish 3PAr and obviously playmaking skills when Embiid or Maxey has created a advantageous situation should make him a sizeable upgrade compared to Melton.

Ideally you'd want someone who's a couple of inches bigger and has a quicker trigger/more efficient three point shot. But those guys are almost never available. And even if someone like Paul George is somehow open to move to the Sixers you have other question marks with his age and related contract and health issues.

Given Murray's age and contract I think he's a relatively high upside play with minimal risk since his contract will be a plus until 2027.

I like Murray's all around game. I like the age. I like that he's locked up.

...I just don't know that you can invest in a small guard (he's long, but too skinny on the wing) that's a poor off ball threat as your 3rd guy next to Embiid/Maxey.

Obviously he'd provide a major playmaking/self creation boost vs what Melton gives you, but he's at best a wash defensively, and a much worse catch and shoot threat.

You could sell me on it, particularly if the price was right, but my knee jerk reaction is it's a bad idea. Like, if it's something like Morris/Furk and a pick or 2, and you're not losing anything from your rotation...? I dunno, depends on what else is on the table.

This season Murray is taking 3.5 catch and shoot opportunities per game from 3 and making 37.5% of them. About 2.6 catch and shoot 3s with 40.5% accuracy.

He's also quite a capable downhill finisher and can move off the ball which would work well in this system.

We also literally know the man can defend and is still in his athletic prime, why he hasn't done it in Atlanta I don't know? But an easier role should definitely allow him to utilize his energy on that end more.

Another thing I have to look at in terms of defense when it comes to smaller, but long defenders is what's behind them. If you have wingspan to contest the shot of a Jason Tatum...That's enough, because hopefully you have quickness to stay in front of him too.... But, if you're getting pushed around into the paint, that's typically a slower method and allows for help to arrive in the paint via Joel Embiid. Same for post up opportunity.

I think that could be certain instances where you could even run a three guard line up with Melton.

[Kolkmania]

I think we'd have to still move on from Tobias if we're getting Murray. We have quite a bit of data showing Tobias sucks as a C&S PF, so adding another on-ball player who mostly operates inside the perimeter is going to be an issue.

Yeah, probably true. It's kinda annoying since Tobias is a more than capable shooter, but he's been here long enough to know he's not making the adjustment. Dude needs like a shock collar that zaps him anytime he passes up an open C&S 3.

Which circles back to... Do we really want to invest in a guy that's meh fit 2 stars and requires further changes to the lineup?

I guess if it's some type of deal that lands Murray and Hunter you're making improvements on both ends of the floor. I just have a hard time seeing us being the high bidder on that package.

On top of that, we're making a move to get a guard who will need the ball in his hands a significant amount in the middle of the season. I imagine that will completely screw with the flow of the offense.

That would only be an issue if we really think we have a realistic chance of winning it all this year. And he could start of in the Melton role if necessary.

I do agree that the fit is certainly not perfect, but as previously mentioned, acquiring a wing who's efficient at playmaking for others, can shoot and is a plus defender is highly unlikely.
As a side note, Dejounte Murray came into the league as a non-shooter, but he actually is shooting threes nearly double the rate as Harris and similar to Melton. It's just that his biggest qualities are focused around the P&R and finding spots in the midrange to score (something that I do value in the PO).

I do think that a Maxey, Murray, Hunter, Batum, Embiid line up is a very balanced unit. Everybody can shoot, is relatively comfortable with the ball in their hands to make something happen. Perimeter defense perhaps questionable, but Embiid can make up for a lot of things.