2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[Negrodamus]

I'm watching more Edgecombe and he strangely seems like he's more comfortable driving/finishing with his left. He actually is proficient with either hand. If he's even slightly above 6'5.5, I'd start considering him. There's a lot to like there even if he probably has a mediocre wingspan.

[76ciology]

I'm watching more Edgecombe and he strangely seems like he's more comfortable driving/finishing with his left. He actually is proficient with either hand. If he's even slightly above 6'5.5, I'd start considering him. There's a lot to like there even if he probably has a mediocre wingspan.

The problem is he’s not THAT good on offense.

Can he be a playmaker?
Can he be a very good scoring combo guard?

.74ppp on Pnr
.62ppp on dribble jumper

His offense is inflated because of transition and catch&shoot.

So he’s like a smaller Benedict Mathurin?

[Negrodamus]

I'm watching more Edgecombe and he strangely seems like he's more comfortable driving/finishing with his left. He actually is proficient with either hand. If he's even slightly above 6'5.5, I'd start considering him. There's a lot to like there even if he probably has a mediocre wingspan.

The problem is he’s not THAT good on offense.

Can he be a playmaker?
Can he be a very good scoring combo guard?

.74ppp on Pnr
.62ppp on dribble jumper

He’s offense is inflated because of transition and catch&shoot.

So he’s like a smaller Benedict Mathurin?

The thing is, I can see the path to him becoming decent on offense. He has moves that draw fouls on offense. He's not a complete zero handling the ball.

Hot take: I actually think his defense is wildly overrated and that could be his actual undoing with his lack of length.

[76ciology]

Jakucionis’ offense is built for the NBA playoffs.

He hits 35.8% on stepback threes on high volume, can get to the paint, and has the moves and touch to finish around the rim.

Good playmaker and passer. Has the size and effort on defense. High IQ, great feel for the game.

[76ciology]

Ace Bailey just made 42% on half-court rim attempts. 24% on off the dribble 3s. He just settled a lot of mid range jumpers.

If he’s gonna be a good player, there’s a LOT of work to be done.

[76ciology]

Why is it that this draft have a lot of 18 year olds?

[Negrodamus]

Watch on YouTube

Famously not a good evaluator of international talent, but this guy is top 10, right?

19 years old, 6'11
per 36 min:
17ppg, 3.2apg, 8.4rpg, 1.1spg, 1.0bpg, 54% FG (40% 3FG, 61% 2FG, 77% FT). And it's not like he didn't play a ton of minutes; he averaged 29mpg.

[ProcessDoctor]

It's a very crazy draft. There are only a few guys I'm truly interested in:

Flagg and Harper are the only ones truly worthy of top 5 picks.
I'd be happy with Queen and MAYBE Tre Johnson in the top 10.
I think Sorber, Lendeborg, and Clifford are worthy of lottery. Miles Byrd is right outside of that

Not saying other players aren't worthy of top 10 picks: I still think Fears is a great pick for a team looking for a point guard. Edgecombe is kind of a risk to be a very good role player, but not a star; still like him top 10 but not for us.

Other than that, this draft is brutal. I see role players, but not a ton of star power.

What do you think about CMB and Essengue? I feel like at least one of them will end up as a top 5 player from this draft.

[Negrodamus]

It's a very crazy draft. There are only a few guys I'm truly interested in:

Flagg and Harper are the only ones truly worthy of top 5 picks.
I'd be happy with Queen and MAYBE Tre Johnson in the top 10.
I think Sorber, Lendeborg, and Clifford are worthy of lottery. Miles Byrd is right outside of that

Not saying other players aren't worthy of top 10 picks: I still think Fears is a great pick for a team looking for a point guard. Edgecombe is kind of a risk to be a very good role player, but not a star; still like him top 10 but not for us.

Other than that, this draft is brutal. I see role players, but not a ton of star power.

What do you think about CMB and Essengue? I feel like at least one of them will end up as a top 5 player from this draft.

CMB = definite role player on a winning team. Wouldn’t fault a team for grabbing him. Don’t see star upside.

Essengue = the only film I’ve seen of him has been underwhelming. He looks too weak, which is strange for his foul generation. He also is purely an assist generator. But honestly I get most euros wrong.

[76ciology]

Edgecombe = GP2 with 3pt shooting?

[Mik317]

Why is it that this draft have a lot of 18 year olds?

lots of people reclassed up I think

[76ciology]

My Top 10 Version XXX:
1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Jakucionis
4. Khaman Maluach
5. Tre Johnson
6. Kon Knueppel
7. VJ Edgecombe
8. Jase Richardson
9. Ace Bailey
10. Jeremiah Fears

Notes:
- The more I watch the playoffs, the more I’m impressed with Jakucionis, he has the right flavor of scoring, shot creation and defense for NBA playoffs.
- I have Maluach this high because he’s NBA-ready right now as a lob threat, rim protector and rebounder that can play against small or big line-ups while still offers one of the highest ceilings in the class.
- Tre Johnson edges out Knueppel for me because he has more alpha potential, but I still like KK’s IQ and 2 way skillset.
- I dropped Edgecombe due to limitations as a creator and concerns about his size.
- Jase Richardson is only 18.7 on draft night and already a productive 2 way guard
- I kept Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears in the top 10 because of their upside, they fit highly valued NBA archetypes even if the current numbers aren’t fully there yet.
- CMB (11th) didn’t make my top 10 because of his limitations to being just a superb winning role player
- I have Derick Queen(12th) due to the growing double big trend; he might end up being more playable at the 4 with a defensive anchor 5.
- Asa Newell (13th) has concerning defensive metrics that raise red flags. But I like his lob threat and upside as a shooter on offense.
- I like Essengue (14th) and Carter Bryant (15th), but both are more long-term projects with upside limited as 3&D wings

[Negrodamus]

My Top 10 Version XXX:
1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Jakucionis
4. Khaman Maluach
5. Tre Johnson
6. Kon Knueppel
7. VJ Edgecombe
8. Jase Richardson
9. Ace Bailey
10. Jeremiah Fears

Notes:
- The more I watch the playoffs, the more I’m impressed with Jakucionis, he has the right flavor of scoring, shot creation and defense for NBA playoffs.
- I have Maluach this high because he’s NBA-ready right now as a lob threat, rim protector and rebounder that can play against small or big line-ups while still offers one of the highest ceilings in the class.
- Tre Johnson edges out Knueppel for me because he has more alpha potential, but I still like KK’s IQ and 2 way skillset.
- I dropped Edgecombe due to limitations as a creator and concerns about his size.
- Jase Richardson is only 18.7 on draft night and already a productive 2 way guard
- I kept Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears in the top 10 because of their upside, they fit highly valued NBA archetypes even if the current numbers aren’t fully there yet.
- CMB (11th) didn’t make my top 10 because of his limitations to being just a superb winning role player
- I have Derick Queen(12th) due to the growing double big trend; he might end up being more playable at the 4 with a defensive anchor 5.
- Asa Newell (13th) has concerning defensive metrics that raise red flags. But I like his lob threat and upside as a shooter on offense.
- I like Essengue (14th) and Carter Bryant (15th), but both are more long-term projects with upside limited as 3&D wings

I think I'm currently at:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Queen
4. Fears
5. Jakucionis
6. Edgecombe
7. Tre Johnson
8.Yaxel Lendebourg
9. Ace
10. Nique Clifford

Need to see the measurements of everyone to feel confident. Ace and Fears are the only ones who don't hit my BPM prerequisite. Sorber and probably that aforementioned Mega kid I posted earlier would be just outside. The tape on some of these guys are a little disqualifying on defense, but I don't know, I keep getting cooked by being turned off by poor defensive effort in college. Jakucionis and Tre do not hit the STL% mark that I'm usually looking for. Of the freshmen that hit everything I'm looking for statistically, it's: Flagg, Harper, Queen, Fears, Edgecombe.

[Mik317]

1.Flagg
2. Harper
3. Queen
4. Tre
5. VJ
6. Kon
7. Fears
8. Ace
9. Maluach
10. Bryant

I have watched very little tape beyond games and other peeps evals mostly because I don't want to get my hopes up lol. The top 2 are set and then there is a power gap before 3 and another after 5. 6-9 are all basically tied (although I think Fears is a no go simply due to our roster make up imo...def a prospect I would be overly high on otherwise). Carter Bryant is a guy who impressed me with the little things every time I watched Arizona but would have to be a deep trade back candidate imo.

[ProcessDoctor]

My Top 10 Version XXX:
1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Jakucionis
4. Khaman Maluach
5. Tre Johnson
6. Kon Knueppel
7. VJ Edgecombe
8. Jase Richardson
9. Ace Bailey
10. Jeremiah Fears

Notes:
- The more I watch the playoffs, the more I’m impressed with Jakucionis, he has the right flavor of scoring, shot creation and defense for NBA playoffs.
- I have Maluach this high because he’s NBA-ready right now as a lob threat, rim protector and rebounder that can play against small or big line-ups while still offers one of the highest ceilings in the class.
- Tre Johnson edges out Knueppel for me because he has more alpha potential, but I still like KK’s IQ and 2 way skillset.
- I dropped Edgecombe due to limitations as a creator and concerns about his size.
- Jase Richardson is only 18.7 on draft night and already a productive 2 way guard
- I kept Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears in the top 10 because of their upside, they fit highly valued NBA archetypes even if the current numbers aren’t fully there yet.
- CMB (11th) didn’t make my top 10 because of his limitations to being just a superb winning role player
- I have Derick Queen(12th) due to the growing double big trend; he might end up being more playable at the 4 with a defensive anchor 5.
- Asa Newell (13th) has concerning defensive metrics that raise red flags. But I like his lob threat and upside as a shooter on offense.
- I like Essengue (14th) and Carter Bryant (15th), but both are more long-term projects with upside limited as 3&D wings

I think I'm currently at:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Queen
4. Fears
5. Jakucionis
6. Edgecombe
7. Tre Johnson
8.Yaxel Lendebourg
9. Ace
10. Nique Clifford

Need to see the measurements of everyone to feel confident. Ace and Fears are the only ones who don't hit my BPM prerequisite. Sorber and probably that aforementioned Mega kid I posted earlier would be just outside. The tape on some of these guys are a little disqualifying on defense, but I don't know, I keep getting cooked by being turned off by poor defensive effort in college. Jakucionis and Tre do not hit the STL% mark that I'm usually looking for. Of the freshmen that hit everything I'm looking for statistically, it's: Flagg, Harper, Queen, Fears, Edgecombe.

Yaxel is an insanely productive player. Older, but I feel like it comes down to how good a player is at basketball after a certain point. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a long career in the NBA.

[Negrodamus]

My Top 10 Version XXX:
1. Cooper Flagg
2. Dylan Harper
3. Jakucionis
4. Khaman Maluach
5. Tre Johnson
6. Kon Knueppel
7. VJ Edgecombe
8. Jase Richardson
9. Ace Bailey
10. Jeremiah Fears

Notes:
- The more I watch the playoffs, the more I’m impressed with Jakucionis, he has the right flavor of scoring, shot creation and defense for NBA playoffs.
- I have Maluach this high because he’s NBA-ready right now as a lob threat, rim protector and rebounder that can play against small or big line-ups while still offers one of the highest ceilings in the class.
- Tre Johnson edges out Knueppel for me because he has more alpha potential, but I still like KK’s IQ and 2 way skillset.
- I dropped Edgecombe due to limitations as a creator and concerns about his size.
- Jase Richardson is only 18.7 on draft night and already a productive 2 way guard
- I kept Ace Bailey and Jeremiah Fears in the top 10 because of their upside, they fit highly valued NBA archetypes even if the current numbers aren’t fully there yet.
- CMB (11th) didn’t make my top 10 because of his limitations to being just a superb winning role player
- I have Derick Queen(12th) due to the growing double big trend; he might end up being more playable at the 4 with a defensive anchor 5.
- Asa Newell (13th) has concerning defensive metrics that raise red flags. But I like his lob threat and upside as a shooter on offense.
- I like Essengue (14th) and Carter Bryant (15th), but both are more long-term projects with upside limited as 3&D wings

I think I'm currently at:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Queen
4. Fears
5. Jakucionis
6. Edgecombe
7. Tre Johnson
8.Yaxel Lendebourg
9. Ace
10. Nique Clifford

Need to see the measurements of everyone to feel confident. Ace and Fears are the only ones who don't hit my BPM prerequisite. Sorber and probably that aforementioned Mega kid I posted earlier would be just outside. The tape on some of these guys are a little disqualifying on defense, but I don't know, I keep getting cooked by being turned off by poor defensive effort in college. Jakucionis and Tre do not hit the STL% mark that I'm usually looking for. Of the freshmen that hit everything I'm looking for statistically, it's: Flagg, Harper, Queen, Fears, Edgecombe.

Yaxel is an insanely productive player. Older, but I feel like it comes down to how good a player is at basketball after a certain point. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a long career in the NBA.

He's also immovable. In the playoffs, when the physicality is at it's highest, that's not nothing.

A huge, dense PF with a promising shot. Generates almost 4 stocks per game. Has a pretty good handle for his size. If he were a freshman, he'd be in the argument for #1 overall. Obviously age is a major factor, but I still think top 10 is well in his range.

[ProcessDoctor]

I think I'm currently at:

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Queen
4. Fears
5. Jakucionis
6. Edgecombe
7. Tre Johnson
8.Yaxel Lendebourg
9. Ace
10. Nique Clifford

Need to see the measurements of everyone to feel confident. Ace and Fears are the only ones who don't hit my BPM prerequisite. Sorber and probably that aforementioned Mega kid I posted earlier would be just outside. The tape on some of these guys are a little disqualifying on defense, but I don't know, I keep getting cooked by being turned off by poor defensive effort in college. Jakucionis and Tre do not hit the STL% mark that I'm usually looking for. Of the freshmen that hit everything I'm looking for statistically, it's: Flagg, Harper, Queen, Fears, Edgecombe.

Yaxel is an insanely productive player. Older, but I feel like it comes down to how good a player is at basketball after a certain point. I'll be surprised if he doesn't have a long career in the NBA.

He's also immovable. In the playoffs, when the physicality is at it's highest, that's not nothing.

A huge, dense PF with a promising shot. Generates almost 4 stocks per game. Has a pretty good handle for his size. If he were a freshman, he'd be in the argument for #1 overall. Obviously age is a major factor, but I still think top 10 is well in his range.

Yea I'm tired of our team being so much smaller and less physical than our opponents. We obviously wouldn't take him top-5, but if there's an opportunity to trade back for multiple 1sts with Brooklyn or Washington (if we jump them) then he'd be quite the pickup.

[stormi]

1) Cooper Flagg
2) Dylan Harper

3) Collin Murray-Boyles

4) Kon Knueppel
5) Khaman Maluach
6) VJ Edgecombe

7) Noa Essengue
8) Asa Newell
9 Jase Richardson
10) Jeremiah Fears

HM: Carter Bryant

[stormi]

Jakucionis’ offense is built for the NBA playoffs.

He hits 35.8% on stepback threes on high volume, can get to the paint, and has the moves and touch to finish around the rim.

Good playmaker and passer. Has the size and effort on defense. High IQ, great feel for the game.

It better come out that he was playing through major injury this season, or else it isn't looking good for him.

Was unfathomably bad for months to close the season and he doesn’t have the tools to bet on him beating this awful production.

Kasp is an abysmal athlete, awful on defense and had a really bad turnover problem this season ++ his shooting and scoring has been bad for a while too.

Ace "Rui Hachimura" Bailey stunk too, but at the very least you're betting on the athletic tools + stocks + rebounding + age.

Both are late lotto fliers for me.

[ProcessDoctor]

Lotto, as of today (overall, not just for our roster)

1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Edgecombe
4. Fears
5. Queen
6. Bailey
7. Maluach
8. Knueppel
9. Johnson
10. Essengue
11. Yaxel
12. CMB
13. Kasparas
14. Sorber