Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[SelfishPlayer]

BOOM. Oh and stretches the floor on offense like a boss.

Kevin Love has the same defensive rating right now in 2017 that he had his last season in Minnesota a 104.2 in 2013-14 and now a a 104.3. So he only improved .1? Advanced stats are dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. Kevin Love was an awful defensive player in Minnesota and he is in an entirely different galaxy now. You certainly can not tell that by his DEF RTG. BOOM!

1.) Kevin Love is a proven PF. Okafor is not.

2.) Kevin Love is an elite rebounder (career DRB% of 29). Okafor is anything but (career DRB% of 16.9). Again, as a PF vs C.

3.) Kevin Love has never been a negative on the offensive end. Outside of his injury shortened season (which should obviously be discounted because it's a tiny sample and he played with a broken hand), he has never been a negative offensive player. His ORtg his first year was 112. His career ORtg is 116. Jahlil's career ORtg is 98. He has never been a positive on the offensive end.

4.) Kevin Love is good at drawing fouls. He had a FTr of .488 his rookie season. Okafor hasn't broken .300 yet. Kevin Love is also an >80% free throw shooter. Let's not even bring up Okafor's numbers in order to be kind to him.

5.) Kevin Love has never had a negative VORP. Okafor has never had a positive VORP.

6.) Kevin Love is a career 40.3% shooter from 16-3pt, and a career 36.5% shooter from 3. Okafor is a career 23.9% shooter from 16-3pt, and a career 16.7% shooter from 3.

You're right, advanced stats are dangerous. You shouldn't use them.

I'm glad you avoided talk of Kevin Love's defense. I posted those advanced stats defensive numbers on Kevin Love from foxsports to show you why it's dangerous to depend on them. My initial post was only about Kevin Love's improvement on defense yet you go on a rant about his offense?

[Unbreakable99]

I just came here to say Prokafor lol. Prokafor Prokafor Prokafor lol. I'm so glad that word is dead. Lol.

[marcush]

Okafor looks so bad this year. My gosh

In fairness to Jah, he was just as damaging last year except he had 15 shots per game to get those 17 points. Fans love dem some PPG.

Agree completely. Just looks even **** this year. FG% is down by a lot which concerns me

With the right physical conditioning and PG, there is no reason to think that he won't get back to the halcyon days of the Ish Smith era.

The big problem is, as it always has been, that his defence is a disgrace. It's career defining and debilitating for a big. The NBA is a really tough place for low motor defensive bigs.

[TeamHigh]

I'm glad you avoided talk of Kevin Love's defense. I posted those advanced stats defensive numbers on Kevin Love from foxsports to show you why it's dangerous to depend on them. My initial post was only about Kevin Love's improvement on defense yet you go on a rant about his offense?

You're right, stuff like position, DRB%, and VORP are "rants about offense"...

Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best. Love also is not asked to be a center/defensive anchor. His DBPM among PFs isn't terrible. Okafor's DBPM among centers is absolute garbage.

Oh, and he offers nothing on the other end like Love.

Are you for real?

[TTP]

I'm glad you avoided talk of Kevin Love's defense. I posted those advanced stats defensive numbers on Kevin Love from foxsports to show you why it's dangerous to depend on them. My initial post was only about Kevin Love's improvement on defense yet you go on a rant about his offense?

Kevin Love has the same defensive rating right now in 2017 that he had his last season in Minnesota a 104.2 in 2013-14 and now a a 104.3. So he only improved .1? Advanced stats are dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. Kevin Love was an awful defensive player in Minnesota and he is in an entirely different galaxy now. You certainly can not tell that by his DEF RTG. BOOM!

Yeah they're dangerous in your hands.

I don't understand where you're pulling your numbers from either. His on-court DRTG this season (according to bballref) is 103.7. In 2013-14 it was 106.0. So by your method of evaluation, he's 2.3 points per 100 possessions better now than previously.

Your method of evaluation is obviously pretty terrible though. Even if it were a foolproof method of evaluation, all you've managed to prove is that he's a better defender now than he was 3 seasons ago. You've done nothing to indicate how Love performs relative to others at his position.

Here's my post that you must have missed.

[SelfishPlayer]

Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best.

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

[TeamHigh]

Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best.

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

Respond to the rest of the post, please.

Love's 109 defensive rating his rookie year DBPM of -0.4. Okafor's came with a -1.5. Try again.

And respond to the rest of the post.

[TTP]

Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best.

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

Why are you comparing Love's rookie season to Okafor's 15 game sample second season? Why are you only considering one stat?

[SelfishPlayer]

Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best.

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

Love's 109 defensive rating his rookie year

That's what I said above, and Okafor is currently putting up a better defensive rating this season than Kevin Love's first season according to foxsports. You clearly stated that "Kevin Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best" which is a lie according to foxsports!

[TeamHigh]

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

Love's 109 defensive rating his rookie year

That's what I said above, and Okafor is currently putting up a better defensive rating this season than Kevin Love's first season according to foxsports. You clearly stated that "Kevin Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best" which is a lie according to foxsports!

No, this is what you said...

This is possibly also an example of addition by subtraction. The sixers might just be a better team without him regardless of who they acquire in the trade.

Mistake. I doubt anyone could feel that way about Okafor if somehow the Sixers added a dominant three point shooting point guard to the roster like Dame Lillard for nothing in exchange. If Kevin Love can improve on defense...

Implying that Okafor can become another Kevin Love.

Nothing about DRtg in isolation. You latched on to 1 season of DRtg vs 15 games for Okafor because it was literally the only thing you could grab onto, saying nothing about other stats like WS/48, VORP/48, DBPM, etc etc. And you have the gall to say that other people are creating their own reality. This is some Donald Trump level debating.

Not to mention your comparison never made sense in the first place. Kevin Love is a player you can play in spite of mediocre defense, because he's a great rebounder and plus offensive player. Okafor is not. If you want to only look only DRtg, I guess Robert Covington is a better player than James Harden...

Like I said, respond to the whole post instead of cherry picking one line out of context. Thanks.

[TTP]

That's not true according to foxsports where Kevin Love had a 109.1 defensive rating his rookie season while Okafor is currently carrying a 108. Those darn advanced stats...

Love's 109 defensive rating his rookie year

That's what I said above, and Okafor is currently putting up a better defensive rating this season than Kevin Love's first season according to foxsports. You clearly stated that "Kevin Love's worst defensive year is better than Okafor's best" which is a lie according to foxsports!

The stat you're choosing as your measure of defense doesn't invalidate his claim. Looking at a player's DRTG is meaningless.

[76ciology]

Any best case scenarios for Jah's rebounding? Has there been centers historically that had vast improvement from Okafor's current level?

[Eyeamok]

Interesting how Noel decided to have elective surgery at the start of the season. Seemingly giving the center position to Okafor to share with Embiid and effectively knocking himself out of the running. But now with less than 15 games played, Noel is now the guy people want to see play. Funny how things work out.

Embiid is the one we want to see play. I am interested in how Noel responds but he has no future here. He wants to start and we can't afford to pay him max money to be a backup.

It's the most obvious trade in the NBA right now.

We do get to see Embiid play and we will get to see more of that. Which is a good thing.

People say a lot of things but after all has been said and done more has been said then done.
I'm interested in seeing how the whole Noel situation actually plays out.

Never a dull moment around here off season and on season. Always something going on with this franchise.

[dkj5061]

When it appears as if he's regressing though, I'm starting to lose faith.

Do you have faith in Brett Brown, TJ McConnell, Sergio Rodriguez, and Jerryd Bayless?

I've seen improvement from Brown, so yes I have faith in him. TJ isn't an NBA talent, no matter how much I love him, so no I don't have faith in him. Rodriguez and Bayless are stop gap point guards, not someone who can seriously impact our future like okafor, so they are fine. I'm not sure what your point is.

[76ciology]

Okafor's defense is overblown. His horrible rebounding and super negative impact on offense is understated.

Whether you think he has the tools to improve vastly on rebounding and offense, varies on every individual.

If you got carried away with the 15 games sample size of this season, the possibility is almost zero. And I can't blame you because it's frustrating most times.

[Unbreakable99]

Okafor's defense is overblown. His horrible rebounding and super negative impact on offense is understated.

Whether you think he has the tools to improve vastly on rebounding and offense, varies on every individual.

If you got carried away with the 15 games sample size of this season, the possibility is almost zero. And I can't blame you because it's frustrating most times.

Are you still a Prokafor?

[76ciology]

Okafor's defense is overblown. His horrible rebounding and super negative impact on offense is understated.

Whether you think he has the tools to improve vastly on rebounding and offense, varies on every individual.

If you got carried away with the 15 games sample size of this season, the possibility is almost zero. And I can't blame you because it's frustrating most times.

Are you still a Prokafor?

If the definition of Prokafor is someone who thinks Okafor can be a two way player, yes.

Although I'm now less certain, I still think he's talented enough to be a plus player on offense while I think he has the size to be a good rebounder that will really make up for his slightly above average defense (considering 15 games sample size this season).

For me bigs have the toughest transition among positions. You can't be effective just by being big in the NBA. You need to lose a lot of weight to be mobile while also changing your game into a more wing type offense that involves a lot of shooting, driving and dishing.

And man.. Okafor has A LOT to change on his game that might take his entire rookie contract.

[LloydFree]

Okafor's defense is overblown. His horrible rebounding and super negative impact on offense is understated.

Whether you think he has the tools to improve vastly on rebounding and offense, varies on every individual.

If you got carried away with the 15 games sample size of this season, the possibility is almost zero. And I can't blame you because it's frustrating most times.

Are you still a Prokafor?

It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you're too stubborn to admit you were wrong and still believe Okafor isn't a terrible defensive big man, then you are hopeless. Not surprised though. We saw this when Evan Turner was here.

[ankle420breaker]

His lack of rebounding is just a continuation from last season. This doesn't surprise me as much as his lack of assertion on offense. He's not commanding the ball like he did last year... doesn't seem as willing to get his work done early and establish position.

Even when he gets the ball at the top of the key he usually looks to hand it off to a guard when he's fully capable of putting it on the floor.

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[76ciology]

Okafor's defense is overblown. His horrible rebounding and super negative impact on offense is understated.

Whether you think he has the tools to improve vastly on rebounding and offense, varies on every individual.

If you got carried away with the 15 games sample size of this season, the possibility is almost zero. And I can't blame you because it's frustrating most times.

Are you still a Prokafor?

It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you're too stubborn to admit you were wrong and still believe Okafor isn't a terrible defensive big man, then you are hopeless. Not surprised though. We saw this when Evan Turner was here.

Actually he has much improved DBPM,DRPM and deflections (around 30% improved stl%&blk%)this season, something related to what I've said before the season.

It's his rebounding and offense that is on a slump this season.