2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread IV

[smittybanton]

Why would Ainge care about letting a "historical rival" who doesn't even play in the same conference take Lonzo Ball, when they could take the consensus best player in the draft by almost every scout and executive involved in basketball?

If anything, Ainge should be afraid of passing on Fultz's talent.

Sixers board contrarianism in full swing right now.

I have seen other people say Fultz isn't the best player in the draft and it's Ball. I really don't get the infatuation that Fultz is the best. It's like people are willing it to be true and just saying it makes it true.

I thought several posters here have Josh Jackson #1, and for a long time now? I've said ad nauseum that DSJ is the most talented, and that all of the top six are all on the same tier. Ball has a claim. And so does DeAaron Fox. Every one of these players has flaws, and none will be a superstar.

When KAT was the clear #1, folks came up with every sort of way to trade up for him. This year, the mild consensus is to trade down. Wisely.

[Kobblehead]

Ok. Let's assume the Sixers trade back into the 1st round and got pick 26. Would you rather get Derrick White or Jordan Bell?

Jordan Bell is the safer bet of the two because he has multiple years of excellent play against Pac-12 competition, but I'd roll the dice on Derrick White. If you hit on Derrick White, you potentially have a Manu or Brandon Roy-esche player on your hands.

[HotelVitale]

Ok. Let's assume the Sixers trade back into the 1st round and got pick 26. Would you rather get Derrick White or Jordan Bell?

Jordan Bell is the safer bet of the two because he has multiple years of excellent play against Pac-12 competition, but I'd roll the dice on Derrick White. If you hit on Derrick White, you potentially have a Manu or Brandon Roy-esche player on your hands.

Not sure about any of that. Roy and Manu were phenomenal ballhandlers and slashers, White isn't close to that level and doesn't really have tools to do so. If he's a success he's basically just a NBA version of Derrick White: can hit pull-ups and spot-ups, can be pretty good on D, and generally hang with other wings. Which is a fine player who we could def use.

[shawn_hemp]

Jordan Bell seems like his best attribute is bringing high energy to rebounding and getting big defensive blocks but he's not actually a good basketball player.

There were a lot of times where Bell would grab an offensive rebound out of nowhere, only to completely blow the following layup attempt.

Great energy and hustle guy but I question his BBIQ and touch around the basket. He'd have to be an above average defender to be a real good NBA player and I think he kind of falls into the Richaun Holmes type of player who will wow you with his blocks and defensive presence at times, only to also give up a lot of easy baskets.

[Kobblehead]

Bell is a good enough rebounder/shotblocker to play smallball 5 in certain situations. He's going to be extremely valuable for a coach with creative line-up deployment.

White, at full realization, is just too good to pass up on. He can handle, slash, finish, shoot, score, distribute, defend. Shoots 50-40-80 on his splits and finished north of 68% at the rim. Dude is the complete package. The best overall player in the Pac-12 last year. But it was 1 season from a 22 year old so there's some risk involved.

[Ericb5]

I haven't been following it so closely, but are any of the teams in the bottom 5 of the first round indicating that they might trade down?

If they could bleed off some salary to move back into the mid 30's it might be attractive.

I don't know the players outside of the lottery well enough to have an opinion on individual prospects, but I can't imagine what we would do with all of our current second rounders.


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[Sixerscan]

I haven't been following it so closely, but are any of the teams in the bottom 5 of the first round indicating that they might trade down?

If they could bleed off some salary to move back into the mid 30's it might be attractive.

I don't know the players outside of the lottery well enough to have an opinion on individual prospects, but I can't imagine what we would do with all of our current second rounders.


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I'm under the impression that most people don't think there are 30 1st round quality guys in this draft. So if there's someone you like there's probably someone looking to trade out.

One potential issue is that so many of the teams in the 20s traded their picks, so it's not necessarily all the best teams with no playing time/roster spots available the way it usually is.

[phiphan]

Can you imagine trading #3 for #5 and #10 and drafting Isaac + Ntilikina?

Simmons
Ntilikina
Covington
Isaac
Embiid

Mannnnnnnn

Serious question: Has anyone here even seen this Ntilikina fella even play in a full game? If not, why are we even mentioning him as a guy this team needs to get? You can't go by a 5 minutes of highlights...

Yeah. The FIBA U18 semi-final and final are both on youtube. I wouldn't take him at 10, fwiw.

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[smittybanton]

I haven't been following it so closely, but are any of the teams in the bottom 5 of the first round indicating that they might trade down?

If they could bleed off some salary to move back into the mid 30's it might be attractive.

I don't know the players outside of the lottery well enough to have an opinion on individual prospects, but I can't imagine what we would do with all of our current second rounders.


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Portland has three first round picks and are offering them up for teams who have cap space for Evan Turner and/or Crabbe and/or Leonard.

I think most people expect Sacramento to grab one of those picks and Evan Turner. If we grab Jackson, I really wouldn't be surprised if we grabbed Crabbe and a late first, even if we give back some of our seconds.

[smittybanton]

I haven't been following it so closely, but are any of the teams in the bottom 5 of the first round indicating that they might trade down?

If they could bleed off some salary to move back into the mid 30's it might be attractive.

I don't know the players outside of the lottery well enough to have an opinion on individual prospects, but I can't imagine what we would do with all of our current second rounders.


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BC is going to sell some.

Four of Philly’s league-high five selections are in the second-round and an anonymous executive tells Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer that the front office will look to sell one of their selections.

Another executive told Pompey that Philadelphia has been in contact with other teams regarding a trade for a couple of its picks. “Their last two second-rounders are in play [for possible trades]. The word is out there,” the second anonymous executive said.

Josh Harris has been part and parcel of the coup from the jump. He was down with The Process when we stayed under the salary cap, then orchestrated the coup when it was time to start spending. There was no reason to stay under the salary cap and nickel & dime this season when we had swap rights with the Kings.

Trade defense first, draft eastern europeans, make Josh his money, pretend to strive for a championship and hope we get lucky. "I didn't know before today, that it was Barzini all along."

[Unbreakable99]

When is Josh Jackson going to visit Philly so he can thank the Sixers?

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[JojoSlimbiid]

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Vlade is about to give up a decade of picks to these turds.

[Kobblehead]

Not a reliable source, but this is very interesting.

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[LloydFree]

Not a reliable source, but this is very interesting.

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Good. Maybe they trade up to #1 to get Fultz off the board. That would guarantee Jackson is available for the 76ers and eliminate a trade down partner. #5 and #10 for #1, get it done Vlade. The Fultz and Labisserre era is on!

[Negrodamus]

Jonathan Jeanne has a potentially career ending medical condition. Sad since he seemed pretty talented despite his enormous size.

[Cheatergriffin]

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Vlade is about to give up a decade of picks to these turds.

Id be shocked. I want this to be true, but not buying it. No way. What could vlade even offer besides 5&10?

[JojoSlimbiid]

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Vlade is about to give up a decade of picks to these turds.

Id be shocked. I want this to be true, but not buying it. No way. What could vlade even offer besides 5&10?

Unprotected 18 and a pick swap on 20....is the only other thing unless Boston has a hard on for Skal or WCS. It's not out of the realm of possibility the Celtics have a huge issue with big's that isn't going to change for awhile.

I'd be shocked if Bryan isn't kicking the tires on moving up. Seems like Boston is willing we should be talking to them. The fact we haven't heard the possibility of a trade with us makes me hopeful, might be able to make a splash at the 11th hour.

[Kobblehead]

Jonathan Jeanne has a potentially career ending medical condition. Sad since he seemed pretty talented despite his enormous size.

Yeah, I feel awful for him. Was skinny as hell, but with his length, rebounding and rim protecting ability, probably was likely to be a good starter in this league.

[Kobblehead]

Good. Maybe they trade up to #1 to get Fultz off the board. That would guarantee Jackson is available for the 76ers and eliminate a trade down partner. #5 and #10 for #1, get it done Vlade. The Fultz and Labisserre era is on!

That really would be an ideal scenario of eliminating two sources of temptation.

With Fultz and Hield as your backcourt, I'd imagine you'd need a big with passing acumen capable of making decisions out of the high post. Maybe Vlade is coming out of retirement!

[LloydFree]

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Vlade is about to give up a decade of picks to these turds.

Id be shocked. I want this to be true, but not buying it. No way. What could vlade even offer besides 5&10?

I'm not shocked at the thought that Boston may trade the pick. I expect Boston to trade the pick. I'd be more shocked if Fultz actually works out for the Kings.