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[LloydFree]

Not really, we don't have a backup 2 aside from Zhaire (who might be hopeless this year) and we don't really have a backup 3 either (Chandler's reportedly too slow to play wing defense these days and Korkmaz is unlikely to be ready). Anyway the point of my post was precisely to grumble about taking Shamet instead of someone who might be able to help out deep into the playoffs in the next couple years. I liked a lot of guys in that range as potential 3D players and, while I know that most wouldn't develop fully, I'm confused about taking someone who'll struggle to play for us in meaningful games instead of taking a flyer on one of the many strong wings who can also sort of shoot/play offense (like J Evans, K Diop, K Thomas, Brown Jr).

Because elite shooting is a premium skill and Shamet was one of the 2 or 3 best shooters in college ball last year. I wasn't a fan of the pick either, but at #26 what's to complain about. The 76ers lost shooters, they couldn't depend on Fultz to replace the guys they lost, because he was never that kind of shooter to begin with. In that case Shamet makes perfect sense, unless you name a better shooter that went after him. The guys I liked better than Shamet aren't shooters, so I get the pick.

I get the pick, I just don't agree with taking a guy who at best is more stopgap than answer instead of rolling the dice on something more when there were so many good options left. #26 is always long shots or low upsides, I just really liked a lot of the possibilities there--including some solid shooters in Khyri and Jacob Evans (Also not sure where people are getting that Shamet is a 'good athlete,' he'll be below average right away even with his young legs).

Redick, Belinelli and Saric are all below average athletes in this league, but they all received a lot of playing time for this team because they are capable of hitting on 40% of their 3's...

The way I look at it, is they chose a below average NBA athlete with elite shooting, rather than choosing an average athlete, with average shooting potential.

And look at this from Brett Brown's perspective. While we both thought Khyri Thomas was a better player, Brett Brown doesn't need another backup PG. He needs players he thinks can compliment Simmons. Shamet is a better shooter than Thomas. Kyrie Thomas is like a lesser version of what Darren Collison was in college. That makes him a good player, but not necessarily something that helps Brown maximize Simmons (or Fultz for that matter).

[Kobblehead]

Landry Shamet's athleticism is majorly slept on.

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Also, dude had a 39 inch vert at the combine, I assumed that would just silence the doubts. This dude is a legit athlete. Way more athletic than Jacob Evans and Khyri Thomas.

[HotelVitale]

Landry Shamet's athleticism is majorly slept on. Also, dude had a 39 inch vert at the combine, I assumed that would just silence the doubts. This dude is a legit athlete. Way more athletic than Jacob Evans and Khyri Thomas.

C'mon, why do you all always make me be the hater? I look at all these guys before the draft and trade little write-ups with other people, and this is like 4 years running where I'm reporting back the less than hyped thoughts on Fultz, Pasecniks, et al and feeling like I'm smacking Sixers fans' children in the face or something.

For Shamet, none of that stuff is what you would call useful NBA athleticism. He doesn't have much of a first step, he's not powerful or shifty at all off the bounce, and even in those dunks against no one he's not showing anything that's going to be an asset in the NBA. He's just not explosive; on offense he's going to go around picks and he's going to shoot. He already plays pretty fast (has a solid motor) and I believe in his shot, and I think he could be pretty good on that side of the ball and sure, there's some upside if he can keep developing the shot to become an off balance quick trigger guy like Korver etc. Guys like Jacob Evans very clearly have more NBA-level twitch and strength to them, they rise quicker and more powerfully and are just able to make things happen with their athleticism, whether it be getting in passing lanes or grabbing boards or bouncing guys off them in transition etc. Shamet just doesn't have that, at least not to my eyes. EDIT: to be clear I'm not saying he's a garbage athlete or can't do anything athletic, just saying that NBA athletes are ridiculous and Shamet won't have enough athleticism at that level to make it a part of his core game. Profiles as a picks and pull-ups guy now, who can take a lane if you give it to him.

[Kolkmania]

Landry Shamet's athleticism is majorly slept on. Also, dude had a 39 inch vert at the combine, I assumed that would just silence the doubts. This dude is a legit athlete. Way more athletic than Jacob Evans and Khyri Thomas.

C'mon, why do you all always make me be the hater? I look at all these guys before the draft and trade little write-ups with other people, and this is like 4 years running where I'm reporting back the less than hyped thoughts on Fultz, Pasecniks, et al and feeling like I'm smacking Sixers fans' children in the face or something.

For Shamet, none of that stuff is what you would call useful NBA athleticism. He doesn't have much of a first step, he's not powerful or shifty at all off the bounce, and even in those dunks against no one he's not showing anything that's going to be an asset in the NBA. He's just not explosive; on offense he's going to go around picks and he's going to shoot. He already plays pretty fast (has a solid motor) and I believe in his shot, and I think he could be pretty good on that side of the ball and sure, there's some upside if he can keep developing the shot to become an off balance quick trigger guy like Korver etc. Guys like Jacob Evans very clearly have more NBA-level twitch and strength to them, they rise quicker and more powerfully and are just able to make things happen with their athleticism, whether it be getting in passing lanes or grabbing boards or bouncing guys off them in transition etc. Shamet just doesn't have that, at least not to my eyes. EDIT: to be clear I'm not saying he's a garbage athlete or can't do anything athletic, just saying that NBA athletes are ridiculous and Shamet won't have enough athleticism at that level to make it a part of his core game. Profiles as a picks and pull-ups guy now, who can take a lane if you give it to him.

I don't even think that the lack of vertical pop and explosiveness with the ball is his biggest problem, it's his strength imo. He has similar issues as Timothe Luwawu, due to his narrow frame he gets knocked of his spot far too easy and it prevents him from defending any position.

He's a legitimate good shooter, especially because of his shot diversity. He can shoot off screens and off the dribble, what separates him from the standard Wayne Ellington/JJ Redick mold is that he can run some P&R. Only if he's playable despite his poor defense of course.

[Kobblehead]

The reason why I think Shamet's athleticism doesn't get the credit that I think it deserves is because he lacks the handle to showcase it on the ball. So I get the whole "game applied athleticism isn't always evident" angle. I just don't think you can watch him run, jump, and move and conclude that he isn't a standout athlete, though. He's always been a guy who popped, in that regard. At least, to me he has.

[Kobblehead]

I don't see any twitch in Jacob Evans, though. He's built like a tank and he's really physically strong, but I don't think he moves or jumps like an athlete. His defensive instincts put him in position for steals, blocks and rebounds more than any of his physical gifts do, in my eyes.

If Jacob Evans' shot doesn't materialize at the NBA level, it's going to be hard for him to justify his 1st round selection. A guy like Melvin Frazier is comparable to him defensively with an overwhelmingly superior physical profile.

[Sixerscan]

The reason why I think Shamet's athleticism doesn't get the credit that I think it deserves is because he lacks the handle to showcase it on the ball. So I get the whole "game applied athleticism isn't always evident" angle. I just don't think you can watch him run, jump, and move and conclude that he isn't a standout athlete, though. He's always been a guy who popped, in that regard. At least, to me he has.

Not gonna act like I watched a lot of wichita state but in the highlights he looks fairly slithery in the pick and roll. I'm not sure if he could ever be a primary ball handler but along side a bigger guard like Simmons or Fultz he could be a solid secondary guy.

He also looks pretty comfortable when someone chases him off the line and makes him make a move off the bounce. Decent little floater too.

I guess this isn't as much about his athleticism but I remember people saying something about his ball handling not being very good. I expect him to much more capable at that than some of the other wings we've had.

[Kobblehead]

I think he's capable of putting the ball on the floor and using screens to create pullup mid-range shots for himself. I just don't think his handle is strong enough to dribble in front of defenders or slash to the bucket. A similar issue that Malik Monk had coming out.

[Sixerscan]

I think he's capable of putting the ball on the floor and using screens to create pullup mid-range shots for himself. I just don't think his handle is strong enough to dribble in front of defenders or slash to the bucket. A similar issue that Malik Monk had coming out.

For sure, no one wants to be in a position where Landry Shamet is isolating for baskets. I think he's a limited player that can be valuable if he gets put in the right role.

I still think Monk can be a pretty darn valuable offensive player btw. Wouldn't overreact to a teenage rookie guard that got put behind the 8 ball early on with a lingering injury.

[Kobblehead]

I like Malik Monk, but I don't think he can function in a playmaker role. Pure off-guard, to me. I wish he landed in a situation with a playmaking wing.

[SixthStreet]

Shamet's biggest issue is going to be his lack of strength is going to make him unplayable on D and make life hard offensively. He's a solid athlete. It's not a perfect comparison, but he's got a lot of the same stuff Stauskas had to overcome to become a rotational player in the league. Nik had the same type of shot diversity (but not pure shooting) Shamet exhibited in college and better ballhanding/playmaking. While Nik's career will ultimately be railroaded by confidence issues, a close second was his inability to put on good weight. Nik and Landry are both narrow framed and I think Landry will follow suit. The hope is Shamet has a ++ NBA skill in his shooting to make him useful even despite the lack of strength.

If somehow he can gain strength and his shooting translates we could be sitting on a high end role player.

[Chris76]

Shamet's biggest issue is going to be his lack of strength is going to make him unplayable on D and make life hard offensively. He's a solid athlete. It's not a perfect comparison, but he's got a lot of the same stuff Stauskas had to overcome to become a rotational player in the league. Nik had the same type of shot diversity (but not pure shooting) Shamet exhibited in college and better ballhanding/playmaking. While Nik's career will ultimately be railroaded by confidence issues, a close second was his inability to put on good weight. Nik and Landry are both narrow framed and I think Landry will follow suit. The hope is Shamet has a ++ NBA skill in his shooting to make him useful even despite the lack of strength.

If somehow he can gain strength and his shooting translates we could be sitting on a high end role player.

I agree strength could be a big issue with Shamet, Korkmaz, Fultz, and Zhaire. The best defender that can hit open 3s could get more playing time with Simmons. All 4 have good length.

[Kobblehead]

The shooter with the most strength that we have at G is....JERRYD BAYLESS!

[76thBearCub]

We joke, but if he's healthy and up to speed could Bayless play 12 minutes off the bench every now and then? I'm serious, idk. Just wondering

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[Kobblehead]

I'm on record willing to give Bayless a chance to compete for a 20 minute role.

He's shot 41% from three and averaged 9+ ppg in his last 100 games.

[Kolkmania]

Nobody knows what's going on with that wrist though. I'd rather invest in Furkan, Smith, Shamet and Milton with the risk of losing a game due to inexperience tbh.

[ankle420breaker]

I've seen enough of Bayless. We have ample guard depth without him.

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[Kobblehead]

We have good organizational depth for the coming years, but do we really have actual playable depth at G right now?

- Korkmaz and Shamet are physically under-developed.
- Smith and Milton are dealing with fractures.

I feel like Bayless is a pretty good short-term answer at back-up SG and seems to be getting underappreciated around here these days. Probably due to the stink of Colangelo.

[BigSleep333]

We have good organizational depth for the coming years, but do we really have actual playable depth at G right now?

- Korkmaz and Shamet are physically under-developed.
- Smith and Milton are dealing with fractures.

I feel like Bayless is a pretty good short-term answer at back-up SG and seems to be getting underappreciated around here these days. Probably due to the stink of Colangelo.

didnt see anything from him last season to appreciate him. he was horrible at everything except shooting. no d, stupid turnovers, made the team worse every single time he stepped a foot on the court. his performances at times were so bad, people wanted to see demetrius jackson over him.

shamet, korkmaz (ofc smith and even milton when they are healthy). all day every day over bayless

[ankle420breaker]

Bayless really fell off offensively last season and its not as if he's a major upgrade defensively even over raw guys like Shamet and Korkmaz. I'm pretty sure Bayless lead the league in fouling jump shooters last year.

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