Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[Negrodamus]

think you can go over to resign guys with bird rights...not like he has exactly lit the world on fire tho.

That is probably the best haul you'd get for any Ben deal tho

you really have to be high on Ball, Edwards or whoever tho. Lavine is great but....honestly would want to see him WITH Ben more than anything.

Yea, I honestly don't know the answer for the #1 pick because I haven't really done a deep dive on picks that we don't have a shot at. RJ Hampton, Killian Hayes, Deni Avdija, and Devin Vassell have been the highest guys I've looked at and they would all look great on this team. Are they worth the #1 pick in this draft? Not sure.

[youngcrev]

think you can go over to resign guys with bird rights...not like he has exactly lit the world on fire tho.

That is probably the best haul you'd get for any Ben deal tho

you really have to be high on Ball, Edwards or whoever tho. Lavine is great but....honestly would want to see him WITH Ben more than anything.

It's more of a matter of how much the owners are willing to pay in luxury tax rather than the amount the cba allows them to offer.

[stormi]

Trade:

Tobias for Derozan (shed years and money off of a horrific contract, idc about the 'fit')
Al + OKC 1st for Buddy (idk why the Kin-...)
Embiid for Markkanen, White + top 3 pick (Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman... take your pick)
Noel - MLE

White
Derozan
Simmons
Markkanen
Noel

Bench: Buddy, Thybulle, Wiseman/Ball/Edwards

/fantasty

[eagereyez]

In this draft? Who are you taking #1 that intrigues you more than Ben?

Well, it'd be #1 pick, LaVine, and Markkanen. The former two are obvious fits with Embiid and the #1 pick could be another potential star that fits with our superstar center.

Nothing against Ben, but this experiment is hinging on him becoming a passable shooter and I'm not terribly confident.

You're still in cap hell, so retaining Markkanen would be tough.

LaVine just isn't a winning basketball player to me. Puts up big numbers, but the Bulls had the 29th ranked offense in the league, and he's a sieve on the defensive end. He intrigues me from a skill set perspective in that he fill some major gaps between Ben and Jo, but no way do I want him as my second best player.

So it basically comes down to the draft, and while that's definitely not my forte, based on everything I've heard there's nobody all that intriguing at the top.

I mean, it's not an insulting package, I just think quality for quantity deals rarely work out

You're right that LaVine isn't a winning player... for now. His offensive production has exploded since coming back from injury and he's still just 24. I wonder if he could fix his defensive issues and become an even better offensive player with the right coach and team culture.

The Sixers aren't going to get a bonafide star like Lillard or Doncic for Ben Simmons. Simmons is just not that good. They will either have to settle for a 2nd rung guy like McCollum or a guy on the cusp like LaVine. They could also wait until a star becomes disgruntled and demands out, then use Simmons as the centerpiece for a package.

[youngcrev]

Well, it'd be #1 pick, LaVine, and Markkanen. The former two are obvious fits with Embiid and the #1 pick could be another potential star that fits with our superstar center.

Nothing against Ben, but this experiment is hinging on him becoming a passable shooter and I'm not terribly confident.

You're still in cap hell, so retaining Markkanen would be tough.

LaVine just isn't a winning basketball player to me. Puts up big numbers, but the Bulls had the 29th ranked offense in the league, and he's a sieve on the defensive end. He intrigues me from a skill set perspective in that he fill some major gaps between Ben and Jo, but no way do I want him as my second best player.

So it basically comes down to the draft, and while that's definitely not my forte, based on everything I've heard there's nobody all that intriguing at the top.

I mean, it's not an insulting package, I just think quality for quantity deals rarely work out

You're right that LaVine isn't a winning player... for now. His offensive production has exploded since coming back from injury and he's still just 24. I wonder if he could fix his defensive issues and become an even better offensive player with the right coach and team culture.

The Sixers aren't going to get a bonafide star like Lillard or Doncic for Ben Simmons. Simmons is just not that good. They will either have to settle for a 2nd rung guy like McCollum or a guy on the cusp like LaVine. They could also wait until a star becomes disgruntled and demands out, then use Simmons as the centerpiece for a package.

I mean... They could also just not trade Simmons. I could see the logic in dealing him for a guy like Booker or Beal, but why move him for a significantly worse player and rebuilding assets? I don't think that puts you in a better position to compete.

[youngcrev]

Trade:

Tobias for Derozan (shed years and money off of a horrific contract, idc about the 'fit')
Al + OKC 1st for Buddy (idk why the Kin-...)
Embiid for Markkanen, White + top 3 pick (Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman... take your pick)
Noel - MLE

White
Derozan
Simmons
Markkanen
Noel

Bench: Buddy, Thybulle, Wiseman/Ball/Edwards

/fantasty

Hellll no.

[youngcrev]

Harris, Richardson and Scott
For
Conley and Bogdanovic

The Jazz get younger pieces to go with Gobert/Mitchell. Harris gives them a secondary iso option, Richardson ups their perimeter defense.
Mitchell | Richardson | Ingles | Harris | Gobert

The Sixers get better fitting pieces and get out of the Harris commitment. Conley gives them a lead guard that can shoot, defend and run PnR, and has been successful playing off interior players in the past. Bogdanovic is an elite shooter.
Conley | Thybulle | Bogdanovic | Simmons | Embiid

[youngcrev]

Harris, Richardson, 1st round pick
For
Zach LaVine and Otto Porter

LaVine | Thybulle | Porter | Simmons | Embiid

See if you can get one of the vet FA PGs to sign for the tax payer MLE (Dragic, Teague, Augustine... Am I forgetting someone?)

[PhillyPhilly]

As opposed to signing a 34 year old who can't play with both on the floor or giving huge money to Tobias, or relying on minimum salary players to be your primary perimeter threat?

Jimmy is a top 15 player in the game, a high end defender, and a guy that can create offense off the bounce. His lack of shooting and age made for an imperfect fit, but let's not act like this team wouldn't be considerably better if he was still here.

Al was brought in to both hurt the Celtics and cover for Joel...lets not act like he was Jimmy's direct replacement. Also Jimmy wanted to go..so what was Brand meant to do in that situation? As for Tobias..please tell me another SF who is clearly better than him that we could have attained in free agency? He was wanted by other teams so he was always gonna get paid.

So we're shifting from it would have been stupid to sign Jimmy to he didn't want to sign here (which may be true, but absolutely was not your original point)? And on top of that, it doesn't matter that Brand spent stupidly anyway?

What's it matter if you couldn't find a better SF than Harris? That's why they should have paid him more than any other team could? And how can you simultaneously make that argument defending that contract while saying giving a big deal to Jimmy would be stupid?

But YOUR whole point moaning about Jimmy is futile when the man has openly said HE KNEW HE WASN'T COMING BACK TO PHILLY AFTER THE TORONTO SERIES!!!...so why even bring up Brand in relation to Jimmy? Also if Brand would have let Harris walk after what we gave up to get him, yall would have cried your eyes out even more..and of course you ducked the question about getting a better sf because deep down you know we never had a better option than Tobias.

[youngcrev]

Al was brought in to both hurt the Celtics and cover for Joel...lets not act like he was Jimmy's direct replacement. Also Jimmy wanted to go..so what was Brand meant to do in that situation? As for Tobias..please tell me another SF who is clearly better than him that we could have attained in free agency? He was wanted by other teams so he was always gonna get paid.

So we're shifting from it would have been stupid to sign Jimmy to he didn't want to sign here (which may be true, but absolutely was not your original point)? And on top of that, it doesn't matter that Brand spent stupidly anyway?

What's it matter if you couldn't find a better SF than Harris? That's why they should have paid him more than any other team could? And how can you simultaneously make that argument defending that contract while saying giving a big deal to Jimmy would be stupid?

But YOUR whole point moaning about Jimmy is futile when the man has openly said HE KNEW HE WASN'T COMING BACK TO PHILLY AFTER THE TORONTO SERIES!!!...so why even bring up Brand in relation to Jimmy? Also if Brand would have let Harris walk after what we gave up to get him, yall would have cried your eyes out even more..and of course you ducked the question about getting a better sf because deep down you know we never had a better option than Tobias.

Huh? YOU brought up Jimmy Butler. Nobody was talking about Jimmy Butler until you tried to make some stupid point about him. JJ Redick was the subject until you changed it, and as a cheap (asset wise) solution to one of the Sixers big issues, not as an all in option like how you were framing it.

What we gave up for Harris was a sunk cost. Doubling down on a bad investment is not a good move. Who cares if he was the best SF they could sign? He's not even a SF...

The biggest advantage to trading for Harris was the ability to go over the cap to retain him. They could either use everyone's rights and bring them back, or have him at a lower cap hold than what he was expected to make so that you could go sign other players and then go over the cap to sign him. Deciding to spend all that added cap on an aging, poor fitting Al Horford and giving Harris a contract worth more than anyone could give him has saddled the team with two undesirable contracts, limiting trade flexibility, and hampered their ability to add and retain talent due to the luxury tax implications.

[VDT]

Yeah a 30 year old with an injury history who doesn't shoot three pointers would have OBVIOUSLY been a great move to keep alongside Ben and Jo.

As opposed to signing a 34 year old who can't play with both on the floor or giving huge money to Tobias, or relying on minimum salary players to be your primary perimeter threat?

Jimmy is a top 15 player in the game, a high end defender, and a guy that can create offense off the bounce. His lack of shooting and age made for an imperfect fit, but let's not act like this team wouldn't be considerably better if he was still here.

Al was brought in to both hurt the Celtics and cover for Joel...lets not act like he was Jimmy's direct replacement. Also Jimmy wanted to go..so what was Brand meant to do in that situation? As for Tobias..please tell me another SF who is clearly better than him that we could have attained in free agency? He was wanted by other teams so he was always gonna get paid.

Dont try to defend Brand because to me he is worse than Colangelo. When he came the Sixers were in a still good situation, despite the Colangelo trades. Two years later the team doesnt go anywhere and half of the cap (Simmons is to be determined) is spent on bad contracts. with questionable fit, that will need assets to be moved.

Even his moves, disregarding the fit, make him look like an idiot that doesnt know what he is doing. He traded for Butler and then didnt resign him next summer. he either regretted his move or Butler didnt want to stay which again is a bad look for Brand. He lost the Harris trade for the privilege to overpay him next summer. Harris is an unmovable contract now and doesnt help the team win either. He gave 27 mil for Horford, who was relegated to a bench player in a few months and was not even playing a position of need. He has done nothing but waste assets and cap space overpaying for mediocre players that dont fit. At least Colangelo, although also largely inept, could claim that he had bad luck. The Fultz trade was bad regardless but drafting a good player has always a luck component. Brand 's moves dont require any luck, they were just bad moves because he is a terrible negotiator and terrible at building a team.

[Mik317]

the real issue was that the team decided that they were ready to contend after that run at the end of year one. They then took the loss to the celtics as a a bad thing and then went all in and kept doubling down on it. Its death by a million cuts.

You could have survived the Fultz fiasco. They did. Won 52 games ffs. They wasted the summer chasing after Bron and then panic traded for Jimmy after a slow start. Then when Jimmy showed his ass they panic traded for Tobias. And when that didn't work as planned, they again instead of letting things play out they again pivoted to bully ball all zee tyme. And now we had to push a 55th overall pick into the lineup, move Ben to a different spot and hope that worked. It did not. And now we are right back in first round limbo except worse because Embiid is better than Iggy in terms of status. SHeeit Hayward isn't MVP DRose but I could see us slinking into the second and thinking our **** don't stink again.

who is the Bynum we trade for now lol

[Kobblehead]

who is the Bynum we trade for now lol

Probably John Wall.

And honestly, I'd do a deal with Washington if they gave us Troy Brown.

Pretty sure an amnesty provision is coming soon. If Wall goes down again, we can just cut ties. If he's healthy, he and Embiid, Simmons and Brown are probably the best two-way foursome in basketball.

[VDT]

The team doesnt have anyone to even handle the ball and initiate the offense and has to resort to Milton and Burks to run the offense in the playoffs while they are projected to spend like 120 mil on just the 4 and 5 position (Harris is debatable). And that's in 2020. Brand's idiotic team building not only has replaced the cap space with negative contracts but his contracts have destroyed the team chemistry and dont allow the main pieces of this team to develop their game.

[stormi]

Trade:

Tobias for Derozan (shed years and money off of a horrific contract, idc about the 'fit')
Al + OKC 1st for Buddy (idk why the Kin-...)
Embiid for Markkanen, White + top 3 pick (Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman... take your pick)
Noel - MLE

White
Derozan
Simmons
Markkanen
Noel

Bench: Buddy, Thybulle, Wiseman/Ball/Edwards

/fantasty

Hellll no.

In a heartbeat. Jo's body is a ticking timebomb and Coby White is dynamite.

Add in more frp's if you'd like, White is the jewel of that package

[VDT]

Lol, that trade is laughable. Besides that the Sixers are not trying to rebuild.

[stormi]

#BuildWithBen

Embiid getting exposed year after year with disintegrating knees and underperforming and flopping <<<<<

Ben leading his team sans Embiid to 16 straight wins, playoff wins, wins over Lebron, Kawhi, George >>>>>

[stormi]

If Jojo doesn't drop at least 38 today my campaign pushes forward. No reason not to dominate this **** Celtics frontcourt and to sit in the post for 3 hours idly waiting for Smart to smack the ball away

[youngcrev]

#BuildWithBen

Embiid getting exposed year after year with disintegrating knees and underperforming and flopping <<<<<

Ben leading his team sans Embiid to 16 straight wins, playoff wins, wins over Lebron, Kawhi, George >>>>>

We've also seen Ben become a liability offensively against actual good teams in the playoffs.

I like Ben and don't want to trade him, but Embiid is a considerably better player right now.

[Mik317]

why are yall even taking the bait lol