2024-2025 College Basketball / NBA Draft

[76ciology]

Jakucionis’ offense is built for the NBA playoffs.

He hits 35.8% on stepback threes on high volume, can get to the paint, and has the moves and touch to finish around the rim.

Good playmaker and passer. Has the size and effort on defense. High IQ, great feel for the game.

It better come out that he was playing through major injury this season, or else it isn't looking good for him.

Was unfathomably bad for months to close the season and he doesn’t have the tools to bet on him beating this awful production.

Kasp is an abysmal athlete, awful on defense and had a really bad turnover problem this season ++ his shooting and scoring has been bad for a while too.

Ace "Rui Hachimura" Bailey stunk too, but at the very least you're betting on the athletic tools + stocks + rebounding + age.

Both are late lotto fliers for me.

Yeah, that im betting that Jakucionis late season struggle was because of an injury.

I’d also like to add, Jakucionis half court rim frequency is at 30% on almost 61.8FG%

And he’s always been a 85-90% shooter on FTs.

[Mik317]

idk taking a small-ish non athletic guard who isn't an elite shooter but can pass okay

doesn't sound appealing to me.

Thats the issue with most of the guard prospects sans Harper. I don't think any of them are better than McCain who I am still a skeptic about. McCain's shooting and relocation skill is borderline elite. Don't think any of the guard prospects have any elite traits that match that imo sans Harper's rim pressure (and Fears too tbf).

So eh. Now don't get me wrong I'd lie to myself for a bit and go well KJ is technicallky 6'5-6'6 so maaaaaaybe...

and then there is the probable reality that whoever we take in the 4-6 range would be a bench guy any way so who cares.

so there is that

[Negrodamus]

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Boy that Sengun guy looks good in the playoffs. Would love someone like him in this draft.

[Mik317]

tbf we don't have the gaggle of insane defensive wings to surround him and make up for his lacking defense tho

[Negrodamus]

tbf we don't have the gaggle of insane defensive wings to surround him and make up for his lacking defense tho

We don't have the gaggle YET.

[Negrodamus]

Tre Johnson and Queen have the best footwork I've seen in the draft, at least on offense. I find that to be an elite skill in terms of scoring translating to the league. SGA, Jokic, Edwards, Tatum all currently have excellent footwork, I know SGA and Tatum had insane footwork in college. Didn't watch much of Jokic or Edwards pre-draft.

Problem is that all those guys were also good on defense. Statistically, Queen is a good defensive player in college, but Tre was not great.

Tre is also an insane scorer on and off ball: https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1kb0vmb/tre_johnson_is_one_of_the_strongest_shooting/

While Queen is a borderline non-shooter from outside (but I think there's upside).

Along with Flagg and Harper, these two guys I really struggle to just quit as all-star level talent. Obviously I love Queen, but Tre has been one of my more polarizing prospects in some time. I try to dismiss him as much as possible, but he's simply a bucket.

[sodmoraes]

Im really high on tre. Hes gonna be a great shooter, thats the most important skill for a guard in the nba. And he seems like a decent passer too. If he can become decent on defense, he just has too much potential. After Flagg and Harper, tre is the guy for me in this draft. Just imagine a maxey and tre backcourt, the 3s would fly wildly.

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[Negrodamus]

Im really high on tre. Hes gonna be a great shooter, thats the most important skill for a guard in the nba. And he seems like a decent passer too. If he can become decent on defense, he just has too much potential. After Flagg and Harper, tre is the guy for me in this draft. Just imagine a maxey and tre backcourt, the 3s would fly wildly.

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Yea, "become decent on defense" is doing a lot of work. He was the worst defensive player I've watched of anyone projected in the top 10 by a pretty wide margin. They lost close games because he was being targeted on defense. He provides zero resistance. Can it be fixed? Maybe, he has the size and length. But he could just be a forever liability on that end.

[76ciology]

What concerns me more with Tre Johnson is his low rim frequency, free throw rate, and low FG% in the paint. For me, that’s the next key area in his development.

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Sorry, not as good as predraft, pre-navicular injury Embiid highlights. I’m out.

[SixthStreet]

Being a homer, but I'm all in on Tre at 3. I think the garbage coaching staff did a terrible job with him this year. I think there's some sneaky playmaking ability in his skillset and he can passably defend with a staff that requires it from him. That kind of shot making can't be taught.

[Mik317]

Givony vids have sold me many a lemon lol

have dudes looking like gods and ****

[Iverson Armband]

Being a homer, but I'm all in on Tre at 3. I think the garbage coaching staff did a terrible job with him this year. I think there's some sneaky playmaking ability in his skillset and he can passably defend with a staff that requires it from him. That kind of shot making can't be taught.

I think he’s got to be the selection at 3. You’re staring at a Devin Booker level player.

[SixthStreet]

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/tre-johnson-shooting-up-draft-boards

[76ciology]

To settle everything..

If Warriors win, we draft CMB because he’s Draymond 2.0

If Rockets win, we draft Queen because he’s Sengun 2.0

If Wolves win, we draft Tre Johnson because Anthony Edwards shows how valuable SGs who can score high volume of 3s on ISO.

If Thunders win, we draft Kasparas because SGA shows how valuable leads guards who can score high volume of step back 3s and efficient in getting both to the paint and to the line.

And if Celtics win, we draft Maluach because Porzingis shows how valuable big who can protect the paint, score on lobs and shoot 3s are.

[the_process]

Trade down unless at 1 or 2.

[Negrodamus]

Trade down unless at 1 or 2.

If we landed at 3 or below, I'm such a sicko, I'd trade with the Bulls for 12, 20, and future first(s).

Get Yaxel at 12, Miles Byrd at 20, and see another day in the draft.

I'd love to have some absolute dogs on defense with upside to be excellent role players on offense.

If Byrd can get to +35% 3FG, he's a top 5 role player in the league. Unreal defensive instincts.

[mjkvol]

Just going off the recent narrative as this goes on and on, I would be surprised if Ace and Tre weren't 3rd and 4th off the board in either order, and wouldn't be at all surprised if a team traded up to get one of them. If we're sitting in one of those spots, it's very likely we'll be entertaining some offers, and it will depend on how high Morey has them rated.